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Post by musik on Jun 22, 2020 14:19:53 GMT
What does it mean when they say an injured nerve grows by 1 mm per day, 3 cm per month?
What happens with the existing nerve, it's still there right?!
Is the new nerve growing on top of the injured nerve, how does it work?
I suffer from nerve entrapment.
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Post by thequietman on Jun 22, 2020 14:51:20 GMT
What does it mean when they say an injured nerve grows by 1 mm per day, 3 cm per month? What happens with the existing nerve, it's still there right?! Is the new nerve growing on top of the injured nerve, how does it work? I suffer from nerve entrapment. Depends exactly what part of the nerve is injured and how, Musik, and whether the entrapment has been sorted out.
Broadly speaking most nerves are a bit like an electric wire - central core carrying the electric signals with an insulating sheath around it. Yes the nerve should still be there but it's like taking a chunk out of the central wire. It won't work until the damaged bit grows back and reconnects.
Core damage is surprisingly common and 3cm growth per month can vary dramatically from person to person with lots of dependent factors but as a rule of thumb it's probably about right.
Nerve entrapment - if it's just for a brief time, the nerve could easily go into "shock", stop passing signals for a while & then suddenly recover all at once & be pretty much back to normal. If it's entrapment for a longer period, the nerve core could take much, much longer to recover (18 - 24 months depending on how long a length of the core was affected).
Good luck with it - it can be very painful and debilitating. I should bl00dy know - I'm no medic but suffer from two kinds of nerve damage: a prolapsed disc in my neck which trapped a nerve, causing numbness & weakness in my right wrist, thumb & first two fingers (and I'm very lucky tbh. The prolapsed disc could have had much more serious consequences). That's been going on for 18 months so I'm hoping that soon it will sort itself out.
I also have long thoracic nerve palsy and they've no idea what caused that. 95% of people recover fully from that in around 18 months. Turns out I'm the flippign awkward 5% and after 6 years they've decided it'll never recover and it's too late to operate on as the main chest muscle affected is no longer muscle (having had no motor signals to keep it moving).
A big tip - see a good physio. A specialist sports physio if possiblle. They should be able to give you exercises to free the entrapment, build up supporting muscles, ease the pain, and (importantly!) hopefully stop the entrapment happening again. Pilates is a good all-round fix all if you can't afford a physio. Although I've found my own much less strenuous method of coping - lots of alcohol.
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Post by musik on Jun 22, 2020 17:38:34 GMT
What does it mean when they say an injured nerve grows by 1 mm per day, 3 cm per month? What happens with the existing nerve, it's still there right?! Is the new nerve growing on top of the injured nerve, how does it work? I suffer from nerve entrapment. Depends exactly what part of the nerve is injured and how, Musik, and whether the entrapment has been sorted out. Broadly speaking most nerves are a bit like an electric wire - central core carrying the electric signals with an insulating sheath around it. Yes the nerve should still be there but it's like taking a chunk out of the central wire. It won't work until the damaged bit grows back and reconnects.
Core damage is surprisingly common and 3cm growth per month can vary dramatically from person to person with lots of dependent factors but as a rule of thumb it's probably about right. Nerve entrapment - if it's just for a brief time, the nerve could easily go into "shock", stop passing signals for a while & then suddenly recover all at once & be pretty much back to normal. If it's entrapment for a longer period, the nerve core could take much, much longer to recover (18 - 24 months depending on how long a length of the core was affected). Good luck with it - it can be very painful and debilitating. I should bl00dy know - I'm no medic but suffer from two kinds of nerve damage: a prolapsed disc in my neck which trapped a nerve, causing numbness & weakness in my right wrist, thumb & first two fingers (and I'm very lucky tbh. The prolapsed disc could have had much more serious consequences). That's been going on for 18 months so I'm hoping that soon it will sort itself out.
I also have long thoracic nerve palsy and they've no idea what caused that. 95% of people recover fully from that in around 18 months. Turns out I'm the flippign awkward 5% and after 6 years they've decided it'll never recover and it's too late to operate on as the main chest muscle affected is no longer muscle (having had no motor signals to keep it moving). A big tip - see a good physio. A specialist sports physio if possiblle. They should be able to give you exercises to free the entrapment, build up supporting muscles, ease the pain, and (importantly!) hopefully stop the entrapment happening again. Pilates is a good all-round fix all if you can't afford a physio. Although I've found my own much less strenuous method of coping - lots of alcohol.
I've also had dislocated discs problems. One of these were in the neck causing pain. Most likely caused when I drove into a wall with a go cart (pressed the wrong pedal). However, I felt it being dislocated for years and the dull aching pain came on and off. But about two years ago I turned my head in a strange way and felt how the disc moved instantly. I've been shit scared since then the disc will be dislocated again, but no. Every day(!) when I watch tv, listen to music, am debating or something like that - I hold my head without any support at all, no pillow, at the end or outside of the sofa, when lying down. It has strenghten my neck very much and helped me. Can't a muscle replacement be made on your chest, like they can with thumb tenar muscle repairs? Maybe it's more difficult w larger muscles? Sorry to hear this. Stem cells in a few years it will be then? It's an ulnaris nerve entrapment at the elbow this time which in recent days has spread to involve the median nerve as well, in my case. No way I can do any nerve gliding exercises. I've been to a couple of physios. It's really stuck. However, the last days I've had a sort of tingling around the elbow. And now this sensation has moved down the inside of the forearm. But the back of the hand hurts. I hope I will get some answers within a week. |
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Post by thequietman on Jun 23, 2020 11:35:55 GMT
Depends exactly what part of the nerve is injured and how, Musik, and whether the entrapment has been sorted out. Broadly speaking most nerves are a bit like an electric wire - central core carrying the electric signals with an insulating sheath around it. Yes the nerve should still be there but it's like taking a chunk out of the central wire. It won't work until the damaged bit grows back and reconnects.
Core damage is surprisingly common and 3cm growth per month can vary dramatically from person to person with lots of dependent factors but as a rule of thumb it's probably about right. Nerve entrapment - if it's just for a brief time, the nerve could easily go into "shock", stop passing signals for a while & then suddenly recover all at once & be pretty much back to normal. If it's entrapment for a longer period, the nerve core could take much, much longer to recover (18 - 24 months depending on how long a length of the core was affected). Good luck with it - it can be very painful and debilitating. I should bl00dy know - I'm no medic but suffer from two kinds of nerve damage: a prolapsed disc in my neck which trapped a nerve, causing numbness & weakness in my right wrist, thumb & first two fingers (and I'm very lucky tbh. The prolapsed disc could have had much more serious consequences). That's been going on for 18 months so I'm hoping that soon it will sort itself out.
I also have long thoracic nerve palsy and they've no idea what caused that. 95% of people recover fully from that in around 18 months. Turns out I'm the flippign awkward 5% and after 6 years they've decided it'll never recover and it's too late to operate on as the main chest muscle affected is no longer muscle (having had no motor signals to keep it moving). A big tip - see a good physio. A specialist sports physio if possiblle. They should be able to give you exercises to free the entrapment, build up supporting muscles, ease the pain, and (importantly!) hopefully stop the entrapment happening again. Pilates is a good all-round fix all if you can't afford a physio. Although I've found my own much less strenuous method of coping - lots of alcohol.
I've also had dislocated discs problems. One of these were in the neck causing pain. Most likely caused when I drove into a wall with a go cart (pressed the wrong pedal). However, I felt it being dislocated for years and the dull aching pain came on and off. But about two years ago I turned my head in a strange way and felt how the disc moved instantly. I've been shit scared since then the disc will be dislocated again, but no. Every day(!) when I watch tv, listen to music, am debating or something like that - I hold my head without any support at all, no pillow, at the end or outside of the sofa, when lying down. It has strenghten my neck very much and helped me. Can't a muscle replacement be made on your chest, like they can with thumb tenar muscle repairs? Maybe it's more difficult w larger muscles? Sorry to hear this. Stem cells in a few years it will be then? It's an ulnaris nerve entrapment at the elbow this time which in recent days has spread to involve the median nerve as well, in my case. No way I can do any nerve gliding exercises. I've been to a couple of physios. It's really stuck. However, the last days I've had a sort of tingling around the elbow. And now this sensation has moved down the inside of the forearm. But the back of the hand hurts. I hope I will get some answers within a week. Hi Musik, the muscle replacement isn't an option for me. They don't do it on the NHS (-> free) in the UK as it's not considered essential because I can function to a large extent - albeit I get considerable pain, can't lift my arm above horizontal or behind my back etc. so I've had to retire from my sport. And I certainly can't afford to pay to go to the USA to have it done (where they do many operations to fix long thoracic nerve palsy because it's a fairly common injury for baseball pitchers, volleyball players etc.) Hey ho.
Neck disc displacement - yep, the neck muscles are very strong and can be strengthened more so sounds like you're doing exactly right there. From what the consultant thinks, my disc shot out & the neck muscles forced it back into place as it looks fine now. However, he thinks it whacked a nerve and damaged it when it did shoot out, hence my other nerve problem. But fingers crossed that will heal itself.
Tingling around the elbow - that could be the nerve starting to repair itself? When I've had nerve damage in the past *** and they've repaired themselves, it's felt like a fizzing along the nerve as if someone had put sherbet in it.
*** the consequence of playing various sports with the enthusiasm of Joe Allen and the co-ordination of Kevin Wimmer.
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Post by musik on Jun 23, 2020 12:08:12 GMT
I've also had dislocated discs problems. One of these were in the neck causing pain. Most likely caused when I drove into a wall with a go cart (pressed the wrong pedal). However, I felt it being dislocated for years and the dull aching pain came on and off. But about two years ago I turned my head in a strange way and felt how the disc moved instantly. I've been shit scared since then the disc will be dislocated again, but no. Every day(!) when I watch tv, listen to music, am debating or something like that - I hold my head without any support at all, no pillow, at the end or outside of the sofa, when lying down. It has strenghten my neck very much and helped me. Can't a muscle replacement be made on your chest, like they can with thumb tenar muscle repairs? Maybe it's more difficult w larger muscles? Sorry to hear this. Stem cells in a few years it will be then? It's an ulnaris nerve entrapment at the elbow this time which in recent days has spread to involve the median nerve as well, in my case. No way I can do any nerve gliding exercises. I've been to a couple of physios. It's really stuck. However, the last days I've had a sort of tingling around the elbow. And now this sensation has moved down the inside of the forearm. But the back of the hand hurts. I hope I will get some answers within a week. Hi Musik, the muscle replacement isn't an option for me. They don't do it on the NHS (-> free) in the UK as it's not considered essential because I can function to a large extent - albeit I get considerable pain, can't lift my arm above horizontal or behind my back etc. so I've had to retire from my sport. And I certainly can't afford to pay to go to the USA to have it done (where they do many operations to fix long thoracic nerve palsy because it's a fairly common injury for baseball pitchers, volleyball players etc.) Hey ho. Neck disc displacement - yep, the neck muscles are very strong and can be strengthened more so sounds like you're doing exactly right there. From what the consultant thinks, my disc shot out & the neck muscles forced it back into place as it looks fine now. However, he thinks it whacked a nerve and damaged it when it did shoot out, hence my other nerve problem. But fingers crossed that will heal itself.
Tingling around the elbow - that could be the nerve starting to repair itself? When I've had nerve damage in the past *** and they've repaired themselves, it's felt like a fizzing along the nerve as if someone had put sherbet in it. *** the consequence of playing various sports with the enthusiasm of Joe Allen and the co-ordination of Kevin Wimmer.
It's all about money. And I haven't got any, neither. Sherbet, ok I see. I don't have that. 🤔 It's more like someone is using a feather just under my skin. This sensation comes when I don't bend my arm more than just a little bit, 15° or something, just like I've been told to have it. I've had very bad sensitivity in the palm of my hand, like it just has been to the dentist and got an injection or been out in the cold far too long. The last few days this really bad sensitivity has moved to the back of my hand and forearm instead, together with spasms and pain in hand and fingers. At the same time almost perfect sensitivity at the palm side. Weird. It could be activity related. It's still time for our nerves to heal. My hearing nerve took 7 years in the 80ies. If it's the ulnar nerve only the pinky finger and half of the ring finger should be involved, they say, but my long finger is definitely involved as well most of the time. But my brain has always got problems to decide exactly where the problem is located. What leg I had a severly broken toe on ? - I had no idea after an hour. What side I had an aching tooth ? - I had no idea when I got to the dentist. The brain distributes the pain evenly to both side. Probably a rare phenomena?? |
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