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Post by towraytek on Jun 27, 2020 17:56:25 GMT
In the immediate disappointment of a result like that it's easy to get a bit OTT, but you really have to dig deep to find anything quite so mind-numbingly awful a performance as that in so important a fixture.
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Post by nickhfc on Jun 27, 2020 18:04:44 GMT
In the immediate disappointment of a result like that it's easy to get a bit OTT, but you really have to dig deep to find anything quite so mind-numbingly awful a performance as that in so important a fixture. It was all too predictable: Warnock doing a number on us; no leadership on the pitch; no strength of character; fluffing chances left right and centre. Hopefully this time next week we’ll be feeling better...
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 27, 2020 18:25:44 GMT
Change the club motto to this: Copy and paste Summer 2018, 2019 and probably 2020. The problem is: we are becoming an increasingly less attractive team to play for, especially with drop down to league 1. The best players will leave, the dross left behind will be joined by more dross. we have to avoid the drop at all costs. if you think it's bad now, it can get a whole lot worse. Well aware of it. We are beyond “restructuring” the whole club needs gutting from top to bottom. Board included. Not saying they should relinquish ownership but Coates Jnr needs to realise his tenure has been nothing short of calamitous and a proper footballing, structural brain needs to be in control between the board and the manager. This won’t happen of course.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 27, 2020 18:26:40 GMT
I remember the defeat at Christmas was hard to stomach we took the lead and they were simply awful. Yet they have done the double over us and are the lowest scoring team in the division
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 27, 2020 18:26:55 GMT
The thought that Coventry ( no ground); charrlton (67 mill ) in debt, and hull reserves,and a team managed by Nathan jones may be a league above us saddens me but it is no longer an outrageous thought None of them have Scholes as chief executive easy to understand when you think of to that way captain Smith has a better record at maiden transatlantic crossing than his running a football club over the last 4 years
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 27, 2020 18:28:11 GMT
The thought that Coventry ( no ground); charrlton (67 mill ) in debt, and hull reserves,and a team managed by Nathan jones may be a league above us saddens me but it is no longer an outrageous thought Some people will still try and tell you this club is run well.
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 27, 2020 18:28:15 GMT
I'm not normally one to think like this but maybe we just need to go down. Hopefully hang on to MON and rebuild with his own team when the crowds can go back to the ground. I am so sick of these fucking players I just want a total reset and right now I could barely give a fuck what division it's in. There's no way MON would stay on for a League 1 campaign - he'd think he's better than that (and rightly so). What!! If the bloke carrys on like this he will be lucky have a job in leauge one. His team selection and formation has been horrendous.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 27, 2020 18:29:42 GMT
The thought that Coventry ( no ground); charrlton (67 mill ) in debt, and hull reserves,and a team managed by Nathan jones may be a league above us saddens me but it is no longer an outrageous thought Some people will still try and tell you this club is run well. Not Guilty my lord but thank you for your brilliant virus stuff 👍
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 27, 2020 18:30:40 GMT
If we get relegated he will be lucky to survive and rightly so I'd sack him now and get TP in soon as possible. He might be here next season in League One. No one else will fancy and he could be cast as the saviour, with nothing to lose. His club management days are nearly over.
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Post by robstokie on Jun 27, 2020 18:34:20 GMT
Need to make sure now we get this horrible result and performance out of our system - We have got 2 massive matches next week, both of which we will now need to win to stand any reasonable chance of survival.
Today was incredibly frustrating, and all too predictable given what we have witnessed over the last couple of seasons. Yes, with better finishing when we created our chances we would have got something out of the game and, if we had put away either one of those gilt edged chances early second half, i think we would have sneaked a win, as i feel they would have started panicking and trying to sit too deep, thus allowing us to control the tempo. As it was, we were found wanting for both quality and desire in both boxes and we played right into their hands. We all knew how Colin Wankers teams would set out, yet we allowed them to intimidate and bully us and werent anywhere near streetwise enough to deal with them.
O Neill, for all the good work he has done since coming in, has to take a large portion of the blame, not least for persisting with the god awful Chester (who doesnt offer anything apart from a cock up, and ends up getting done again today for their first) and pitting young Sorensen (who has played a grand total of 3 first team games in 3 years before today) in a 6 pointer against a team who you just knew were going to use every trick in the book, then making an example of him with subbing him before half-time (Jones pulled that trick against Preston last season If I remember correctly) plus changing our shape at a point where we had them on the ropes at 1-0 down. But the buck rests with the players today - they didnt want it, they thought that they were above having to do the dirty work and they just plain didnt fancy it - gotta feel sorry for Jimmy, who at least fucking put a shift in, even if the quality wasnt there. I can live with us getting beat, but not to do it in such a spineless, gutless way against a team who, ok, had a bit of a new manager bounce and played the Warnock system to a T, but were fucking woeful. The problem was, we were even worse.
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Post by loosestools on Jun 27, 2020 18:38:39 GMT
The thought that Coventry ( no ground); charrlton (67 mill ) in debt, and hull reserves,and a team managed by Nathan jones may be a league above us saddens me but it is no longer an outrageous thought Some people will still try and tell you this club is run well. Well I am going to support ESOF opinion because of his excellent guidance through the Covid shit. 'Scholes out' as the Alice Cooper song goes.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 27, 2020 18:41:24 GMT
It needs a fan allowed into the dressing room and rip some fucking heads off these frauds. Been thinking along those lines for so long. I'd send my 93 year old dad in but I'd be concerned he'd kill someone!. What size boots is he and is he available 😁
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 27, 2020 19:04:09 GMT
Just one positive thing from today's round, it's still in our own hands!
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Post by badger1863 on Jun 27, 2020 19:12:29 GMT
Its a good job that we played behind closed doors today because that performance was pathetic. Its hard to believe that these players have made it as professional footballers, there hope for us all.
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Post by questionable on Jun 27, 2020 19:14:00 GMT
And to think that MON actually gets paid to put that shower of shit together for two weeks running is an absolute travesty, another crock of shit manager who doesn’t know his head from his arse.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 27, 2020 19:17:02 GMT
The thought that Coventry ( no ground); charrlton (67 mill ) in debt, and hull reserves,and a team managed by Nathan jones may be a league above us saddens me but it is no longer an outrageous thought Some people will still try and tell you this club is run well. Name and shame the fuckers They mean well and have put their money in, unfortunately Coates Jnr just isn't up to the job.
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Post by questionable on Jun 27, 2020 19:22:53 GMT
Some people will still try and tell you this club is run well. Name and shame the fuckers They mean well and have put their money in, unfortunately Coates Jnr just isn't up to the job. He’s an imbecile, for example what idiot would sit there and explain that a bloke who’s shit at his job then publicly state he’s followed his advice about recruiting our next manager, only at Stoke believe me. There’s no way that given the current climate that we can survive with such a tight knit bunch of idiots repeatedly ignoring there’s serious problems at this club.
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Post by robstokie on Jun 27, 2020 19:23:36 GMT
And to think that MON actually gets paid to put that shower of shit together for two weeks running is an absolute travesty, another crock of shit manager who doesn’t know his head from his arse. Give the guy a break - he walked into a shower of shit made up of turgid leftovers assembles by messrs Jones, Rowett, Lambert and Hughes. Yes, his decision-making the last 2 games (such as playing Collins at right-back last week, changing our shape when we had them on the ropes, and sticking with James Fucking Chester) beggar belief, but hes managed to drag our group of over-paid mercenaries and bottlers into a half coherent unit (last 2 games not permitting) and to a position where we at least have a realistic chance of still staying up - we would have taken being 20th and a point above 22nd with 7 games left back in November. Yes today in particular was infuriating, but we need to pray that we will get a reaction on Tuesday (actually think that nicking a point at Reading covered up a few glaring weaknesses to be honest)
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 27, 2020 19:26:36 GMT
Need to make sure now we get this horrible result and performance out of our system - We have got 2 massive matches next week, both of which we will now need to win to stand any reasonable chance of survival. Today was incredibly frustrating, and all too predictable given what we have witnessed over the last couple of seasons. Yes, with better finishing when we created our chances we would have got something out of the game and, if we had put away either one of those gilt edged chances early second half, i think we would have sneaked a win, as i feel they would have started panicking and trying to sit too deep, thus allowing us to control the tempo. As it was, we were found wanting for both quality and desire in both boxes and we played right into their hands. We all knew how Colin Wankers teams would set out, yet we allowed them to intimidate and bully us and werent anywhere near streetwise enough to deal with them. O Neill, for all the good work he has done since coming in, has to take a large portion of the blame, not least for persisting with the god awful Chester (who doesnt offer anything apart from a cock up, and ends up getting done again today for their first) and pitting young Sorensen (who has played a grand total of 3 first team games in 3 years before today) in a 6 pointer against a team who you just knew were going to use every trick in the book, then making an example of him with subbing him before half-time (Jones pulled that trick against Preston last season If I remember correctly) plus changing our shape at a point where we had them on the ropes at 1-0 down. But the buck rests with the players today - they didnt want it, they thought that they were above having to do the dirty work and they just plain didnt fancy it - gotta feel sorry for Jimmy, who at least fucking put a shift in, even if the quality wasnt there. I can live with us getting beat, but not to do it in such a spineless, gutless way against a team who, ok, had a bit of a new manager bounce and played the Warnock system to a T, but were fucking woeful. The problem was, we were even worse.z Said earlier in the week we are in for a tanking st Wigan and I believe it even more they are tailor made to take advantage of our weakness and on a fantastic run and this would see them safe , paul cook another justification for battle hardened domestic league managers , they’ve done brilliantly since losing here when you look at them now
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 27, 2020 19:41:30 GMT
Name and shame the fuckers They mean well and have put their money in, unfortunately Coates Jnr just isn't up to the job. He’s an imbecile, for example what idiot would sit there and explain that a bloke who’s shit at his job then publicly state he’s followed his advice about recruiting our next manager, only at Stoke believe me. There’s no way that given the current climate that we can survive with such a tight knit bunch of idiots repeatedly ignoring there’s serious problems at this club. We are subject to the whim of man made rich by the talents of his sibling and a doting father who has handed over the club to him. It doesn't bode well does it.
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 27, 2020 20:29:15 GMT
And to think that MON actually gets paid to put that shower of shit together for two weeks running is an absolute travesty, another crock of shit manager who doesn’t know his head from his arse. Give the guy a break - he walked into a shower of shit made up of turgid leftovers assembles by messrs Jones, Rowett, Lambert and Hughes. Yes, his decision-making the last 2 games (such as playing Collins at right-back last week, changing our shape when we had them on the ropes, and sticking with James Fucking Chester) beggar belief, but hes managed to drag our group of over-paid mercenaries and bottlers into a half coherent unit (last 2 games not permitting) and to a position where we at least have a realistic chance of still staying up - we would have taken being 20th and a point above 22nd with 7 games left back in November. Yes today in particular was infuriating, but we need to pray that we will get a reaction on Tuesday (actually think that nicking a point at Reading covered up a few glaring weaknesses to be honest) The last two games have been abysmal. I'm not going to give the guy a break. He's an International manager on a mega salary who hasn't done the hard yards of English league management. Get TP in tomorrow.
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Post by raythesailor on Jun 27, 2020 21:39:08 GMT
POWEL. What the hell was that all about.
Did he get himself sent off on purpose?
Two totally needless fouls in very dangerous positions within a few minutes of each other.
Preston his previous club on Tuesday, possible chance of playoffs so did not want to play ?
I am somewhat pissed off.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 27, 2020 21:49:50 GMT
POWEL. What the hell was that all about. Did he get himself sent off on purpose? Two totally needless fouls in very dangerous positions within a few minutes of each other. Preston his previous club on Tuesday, possible chance of playoffs so did not want to play ? I am somewhat pissed off. We play Wigan... His club was Wigan. Yes, we could add to wigans relegation, looks like he didn't want to play against Wigan. Nothing to do with Preston. Interestingly, does Powell have a relegation release clause? Just wondering how many, if any have that? It's an easy way out of you want out. Possibly over speculating here, but the performances are unbelievably toothless
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Post by raythesailor on Jun 27, 2020 21:55:28 GMT
POWEL. What the hell was that all about. Did he get himself sent off on purpose? Two totally needless fouls in very dangerous positions within a few minutes of each other. Preston his previous club on Tuesday, possible chance of playoffs so did not want to play ? I am somewhat pissed off. We play Wigan... His club was Wigan. Yes, we could add to wigans relegation, looks like he didn't want to play against Wigan. Nothing to do with Preston. Interestingly, does Powell have a relegation release clause? Just wondering how many, if any have that? It's an easy way out of you want out. Possibly over speculating here, but the performances are unbelievably toothless Sorry you are correct. So pissed off I don’t know what I am talking about.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 27, 2020 21:55:53 GMT
Some people will still try and tell you this club is run well. Name and shame the fuckers They mean well and have put their money in, unfortunately Coates Jnr just isn't up to the job. Yeah I think this a point that needs stressing. Their intentions are absolutely noble, and they do care. Never been in question. But the level of incompetency demonstrated requires them to show some humility and to take a step back as other clubs do. A barrier between board and management/playing staff. With someone with balls to direct the club and get people to buy in, or go forth and multiply.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 27, 2020 22:04:10 GMT
Name and shame the fuckers They mean well and have put their money in, unfortunately Coates Jnr just isn't up to the job. Yeah I think this a point that needs stressing. Their intentions are absolutely noble, and they do care. Never been in question. But the level of incompetency demonstrated requires them to show some humility and to take a step back as other clubs do. A barrier between board and management/playing staff. With someone with balls to direct the club and get people to buy in, or go forth and multiply. Old boys club, has been for a while... Since the fall of pulis I believe and a shift towards managerial interferences. Jobs for the boys. We are revolutionary didn't you know.... You can now use chip and pin! What a win
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 27, 2020 22:40:33 GMT
If someone else has ready noted this the apologies. But two years ago Hughes got us relegated and kept Southampton up.
Could Jones do the same with Luton?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 27, 2020 23:27:24 GMT
Has anybody seen Wigan's run of form? Best in the league over the past six games. Yikes.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 28, 2020 0:25:14 GMT
Has anybody seen Wigan's run of form? Best in the league over the past six games. Yikes. We’re 7th by the same metric. Sadly so predictable we’d fall apart on restarting though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 7:27:43 GMT
The thought that Coventry ( no ground); charrlton (67 mill ) in debt, and hull reserves,and a team managed by Nathan jones may be a league above us saddens me but it is no longer an outrageous thought I can't stop reading your post over and again whilst at the same time thinking about the 70 odd million plus that we've spent (plus god knows what on managers and coaches) to potentially achieve it. It would have to go down as one of the most spectacular failures in English football should we manage to get ourselves over the line.
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