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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 4, 2020 10:39:20 GMT
No mater what happens he won't be going anywhere else, he'll finish his career here. The question is how long it'll take before it sinks in that he's finished as a player. I'd be very surprise if he didn't end up on the coaching team here. Can you imagine Shawcross and Huth in tandem as defensive coaches! We'd soon end up with a defence to be proud of and when they were coaching the youngsters they'd have huge respect for the pair of them.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 4, 2020 11:06:57 GMT
I feel he should be tied up to the club in some way, but I sort of feel it's wrong he is among the best paid players at the club with almost zero contribution for 2 years now. I actually feel we can't afford it because of FFP, unless the owners could pay him whatever they wanted for me, but now it's holding us back I think. He has been a fantastic servant to us, but we won't give him another contract mainly as a player, will we? Because of FFP we could ideally renegotiate his contract for another 3 years where he could play if possible, but if not be part of the youth set up or something. Then we can spread his wages over more years with some addition of course, but still this would be in our favour because of FFP. Perhaps he wants the money? He doesn't strike me as a natural coach - communication not great and head drips easily. He's been the leader in a dressing room that all the post Hughes managers have said there are problems with. Great player for us in his time but that time has passed.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 4, 2020 11:10:48 GMT
I feel he should be tied up to the club in some way, but I sort of feel it's wrong he is among the best paid players at the club with almost zero contribution for 2 years now. I actually feel we can't afford it because of FFP, unless the owners could pay him whatever they wanted for me, but now it's holding us back I think. He has been a fantastic servant to us, but we won't give him another contract mainly as a player, will we? Because of FFP we could ideally renegotiate his contract for another 3 years where he could play if possible, but if not be part of the youth set up or something. Then we can spread his wages over more years with some addition of course, but still this would be in our favour because of FFP. Perhaps he wants the money? He doesn't strike me as a natural coach - communication not great and head drips easily. He's been the leader in a dressing room that all the post Hughes managers have said there are problems with. Great player for us in his time but that time has passed. Think he has taken som coaching badges and has a world of experience. Of course we must take advantage of this!
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 4, 2020 11:13:02 GMT
Perhaps he wants the money? He doesn't strike me as a natural coach - communication not great and head drips easily. He's been the leader in a dressing room that all the post Hughes managers have said there are problems with. Great player for us in his time but that time has passed. Think he has taken som coaching badges and has a world of experience. Of course we must take advantage of this! Getting the badges doesn't mean you're a good coach.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 4, 2020 12:01:21 GMT
Think he has taken som coaching badges and has a world of experience. Of course we must take advantage of this! Getting the badges doesn't mean you're a good coach. You're right, but his experience and status at this club must surely be something to build on.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 4, 2020 12:10:49 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football I'm afraid to say, legendary or not. It's got to the point now where a decision has to be made one way or the other on his future.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 4, 2020 12:13:54 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football I'm afraid to say, legendary or not. It's got to the point now where a decision has to be made one way or the other on his future. I certainly agree to that, but all in all I think my suggestion would suit all parties here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2020 13:22:05 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football I'm afraid to say, legendary or not. It's got to the point now where a decision has to be made one way or the other on his future. Indeed but he is still about our best centre back. So it makes it a lot harder.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2020 13:27:22 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football I'm afraid to say, legendary or not. It's got to the point now where a decision has to be made one way or the other on his future. He needs to retire, it can't be good for him going round in circles putting all the work in to get back and then breaking down again, what happens after that depends on what he wants really, I'm sure the club would sort him out a job.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 4, 2020 13:27:56 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football I'm afraid to say, legendary or not. It's got to the point now where a decision has to be made one way or the other on his future. Indeed but he is still about our best centre back. So it makes it a lot harder. He might be, but it doesn't help much if you can't finish a simple game because your body breaks down unfortunately.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 4, 2020 13:37:09 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football I'm afraid to say, legendary or not. It's got to the point now where a decision has to be made one way or the other on his future. Indeed but he is still about our best centre back. So it makes it a lot harder. About as much use as Dennis Smith though atm unfortunately. The uncertainty can't be good for anyone connected with that defence.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2020 16:13:05 GMT
Indeed but he is still about our best centre back. So it makes it a lot harder. About as much use as Dennis Smith though atm unfortunately. The uncertainty can't be good for anyone connected with that defence. It won’t have an effect imo. The 2 starters are awful with or without this knowledge. And if I was them I’d have written him off tbh. The only reason I’m not is because I think we need him. With one leg he’s better than Batth and Chester.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 4, 2020 16:55:46 GMT
Put him on a pay as you play plan
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 4, 2020 16:59:15 GMT
About as much use as Dennis Smith though atm unfortunately. The uncertainty can't be good for anyone connected with that defence. It won’t have an effect imo. The 2 starters are awful with or without this knowledge. And if I was them I’d have written him off tbh. The only reason I’m not is because I think we need him. With one leg he’s better than Batth and Chester. Sometimes Bayern you're laughable!
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Sept 4, 2020 17:37:12 GMT
It won’t have an effect imo. The 2 starters are awful with or without this knowledge. And if I was them I’d have written him off tbh. The only reason I’m not is because I think we need him. With one leg he’s better than Batth and Chester. Sometimes Bayern you're laughable! Its true. Shwx on one leg is better than both chester and baath. They are shite
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Post by a on Sept 4, 2020 17:53:51 GMT
He should have been replaced a couple seasons ago, unfortunately too injury prone, and at his age will never be able to last a full season anymore. It’s sad because he’s a legend but he’s continued to be flogged and his replacements haven’t been good enough.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 4, 2020 18:06:34 GMT
Perhaps he wants the money? He doesn't strike me as a natural coach - communication not great and head drips easily. He's been the leader in a dressing room that all the post Hughes managers have said there are problems with. Great player for us in his time but that time has passed. Think he has taken som coaching badges and has a world of experience. Of course we must take advantage of this! Nathan Jones has his badges mostly the diamond shaped ones
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 4, 2020 18:08:10 GMT
Sometimes Bayern you're laughable! Its true. Shwx on one leg is better than both chester and baath. They are shite Leave the shrooms alone
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Post by Godo on Sept 4, 2020 18:28:38 GMT
He only played 5 games last season and probably went off injured in a couple of those. Batth seemed to return to his best form when Ryan was out of the way. He's been a fantastic servant and is a club legend BUT centre backs need to work in a settled partnership and I just can't see Ryan's fitness ever allowing him to be a regular ever again so for me the answer is................probably.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2020 18:32:55 GMT
Put him on a pay as you play plan There's no reason why he'd bother signing that, he already has a contract.
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Post by bolders on Sept 4, 2020 18:46:36 GMT
has a year left on a £50K+ contract if he is to never play again he aint going give that u
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 4, 2020 19:21:31 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football I'm afraid to say, legendary or not. It's got to the point now where a decision has to be made one way or the other on his future. Every now and again players appear who are immune to such decisions. Pele. Maradonna. Banks. Matthews. Etc. When Ryan decides he’s done then he’s done. Until then we pay him every penny his contract says he’s due. He’s worth every penny and more.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 4, 2020 20:36:04 GMT
Put him on a pay as you play plan There's no reason why he'd bother signing that, he already has a contract. That contract needs to be reviewed
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 4, 2020 20:38:04 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football I'm afraid to say, legendary or not. It's got to the point now where a decision has to be made one way or the other on his future. Every now and again players appear who are immune to such decisions. Pele. Maradonna. Banks. Matthews. Etc. When Ryan decides he’s done then he’s done. Until then we pay him every penny his contract says he’s due. He’s worth every penny and more. Shawcross is not in the same division as the players you have mentioned. Way overpaid and needs to be got off the books
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 20:39:17 GMT
has a year left on a £50K+ contract if he is to never play again he aint going give that u According to the Sentinel he could play tomorrow....
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 4, 2020 20:43:22 GMT
Every now and again players appear who are immune to such decisions. Pele. Maradonna. Banks. Matthews. Etc. When Ryan decides he’s done then he’s done. Until then we pay him every penny his contract says he’s due. He’s worth every penny and more. Shawcross is not in the same division as the players you have mentioned. Way overpaid and needs to be got off the books In a Stoke City sense he’s definitely in that league.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 4, 2020 21:01:03 GMT
He'll never be fit enough again which is a real shame as he is the best centre half at the club. That said, a Manager cannot and should not pick a player who could break down at any minute, it's pure folly.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 4, 2020 21:07:14 GMT
Shawcross is not in the same division as the players you have mentioned. Way overpaid and needs to be got off the books In a Stoke City sense he’s definitely in that league. What good is that,?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2020 21:08:31 GMT
There's no reason why he'd bother signing that, he already has a contract. That contract needs to be reviewed Stoke review it and he says no, waste of time.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2020 21:09:45 GMT
has a year left on a £50K+ contract if he is to never play again he aint going give that u According to the Sentinel he could play tomorrow.... Hopefully he manages some good solid mins.
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