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Post by werrington on Jun 22, 2020 7:08:55 GMT
Ricardo Fuller is up there with him He is. But he really shouldn’t be should he? What Shawcross has done for this team is 10x what Fuller has done. Both in terms of quality and longevity. Maybe it’s something what comes with being an attacker and not really as much a defender? I don’t agree mate ....It’s like saying Hudson isn’t as he was only here 3 years I’ve attended since 1973/74 and my legends are Hudson, Greenhoff, Smith, Fuller and Shawcross They were/are great players worthy of the title .....others were very good IMO of course
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 22, 2020 7:40:29 GMT
There going through be some humble pie on here , Ryan and Joe Allen the two outstanding professionals in this squad and would be in any other . Joe Allen yes, but Ryan..Give over you idiot A poster saying Ryan is not a top professional and a credit to any Squad calling someone else’s an idiot 😁
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 22, 2020 7:54:59 GMT
He is. But he really shouldn’t be should he? What Shawcross has done for this team is 10x what Fuller has done. Both in terms of quality and longevity. Maybe it’s something what comes with being an attacker and not really as much a defender? I don’t agree mate ....It’s like saying Hudson isn’t as he was only here 3 years I’ve attended since 1973/74 and my legends are Hudson, Greenhoff, Smith, Fuller and Shawcross They were/are great players worthy of the title .....others were very good IMO of course All very true. But I still get the feeling that Shawcross doesn’t gets the acknowledgement and the ‘likeness’ of a nearly 400 game player. All with the consistent 7/10+ performances. It’s weird.
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Post by hogansgoals on Jun 24, 2020 21:19:34 GMT
do you even know why he keeps getting substituted? He keeps pulling his groin. So when every one, including club and hospital doctors, believe he broke his fibula, you have it upon your own good authority that it was just a groin injury...? that was in July 2019
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 11:46:07 GMT
So when every one, including club and hospital doctors, believe he broke his fibula, you have it upon your own good authority that it was just a groin injury...? that was in July 2019 You were talking about the last 11 months, just look at your own post!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 25, 2020 12:31:48 GMT
It's getting quite hard to watch him breaking down every time he comes back from injury. I certainly hope it's not the end for him, but it is probably time to consider moving on in some capacity with players like Collins coming through.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 26, 2020 9:38:27 GMT
I don’t agree mate ....It’s like saying Hudson isn’t as he was only here 3 years I’ve attended since 1973/74 and my legends are Hudson, Greenhoff, Smith, Fuller and Shawcross They were/are great players worthy of the title .....others were very good IMO of course All very true. But I still get the feeling that Shawcross doesn’t gets the acknowledgement and the ‘likeness’ of a nearly 400 game player. All with the consistent 7/10+ performances. It’s weird. That's what happens tho when you don't bow out at the top? Everyone remembers Huth and Abdoulaye from the way in which they bowed out at stoke, and Huth went on to better things ironically proving it a massive mistake to replace him say the time. Shawx, however, we are witnessing him bow out an aged and injured man. Whilst his determination to continue is honourable, the performances of the team with him in it, in a disastrous state, and incomparable with past successes, is like watching your old dog suffer. It hurts, it's sad, you long for the days gone by and hope he can get better again but... Things really do not look good at all for both himself and the squad. If we were battling for promotion, and maybe even obtained it, he would be that hero. Sadly we will all remember this era and the past is gone, there's absolutely nothing to take from it financially nor progressively. We are but a shit bottom half championship team and deservedly so, that's how we see shawcross now and if he continues over the next 3-4 seasons with the same lack of success, I guess that's how he will be remembered. The new stoke generation will but witness a shadow of his former self. I hope he can become that hero but I seriously doubt it.
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Post by Godo on Jun 26, 2020 10:50:14 GMT
Ryan has been a fantastic servant to the club and I hope whatever happens takes place against a background of dignity and letting him choose BUT I'm sorry but he certainly isn't good enough now. He was woeful in our relegation season and I have seen little since then to demonstrate that he is even Championship standard. His mobility is woeful, his positioning and marking have gone ( presumably because he has to allow some space between him and forwards because he can't react or turn very quickly - his marking for Reading goals on Saturday was like "social distancing" in action!) The Manager sees what he sees in training and I have the utmost respect for MON but we should be opting for a settled pairing of Batth and Collins so that we can look to develop, along with Campbell, one of our 2 or 3 youth assets. Also the fact that Ryan is never going to play regularly and that he is likely to go down injured at any time clearly can't be good for confidence or consistency at the back.
We really must consolidate and move on with this squad now because there is so much deadwood on the books it's untrue!..................
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 26, 2020 14:16:36 GMT
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Post by tejstokie on Jun 26, 2020 18:40:07 GMT
Don't see why not having him around the squad either starting or playing cup matches or coming off the bench is a bad thing. For me he's becoming like John Terry's final few years at Chelsea. Still a force to be reckoned with and good to have around in case.
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Post by neddy on Sept 1, 2020 13:12:03 GMT
Any news on the knock yet?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 13:23:57 GMT
It certainly looks that way.
I hope Ryan is able to admit when the time is right as he owes us absolutely nothing.......
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 1, 2020 13:42:57 GMT
No
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Post by baystokie on Sept 1, 2020 13:49:22 GMT
Being a regular starter is NOT the problem - it's being a regular FINISHER that has become the problem. You are always going to have to include another CB in your match squad as you have no idea what length of time Ryan can last uninjured.
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 1, 2020 14:56:18 GMT
Only lasting 7 mins in a warm-up isn't the news anyone wanted to hear, least of all Ryan. Currently you'd be surprised if he features regularly for us again.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 1, 2020 15:13:14 GMT
He's also one of our top earners isn't he? I know he's been here through the good times but the club has made him a multi millionaire. He now seems to be holding us back rather, especially from an FFP point of view.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 1, 2020 15:32:43 GMT
I’m a bit naffed off at the lack of patience some fans have. Ok it’s a bit shit that he gets injured easily, but he clearly thinks he can still make it, and I wouldn’t want to hang up my boots prematurely. Given his input to this club, he can have more time to make the right decision.
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Post by stokecity4life on Sept 1, 2020 15:37:16 GMT
Yes.
Legend and should stay at the club but yes i`m afraid from how it looks he`s finished.
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Post by miltonpotter on Sept 1, 2020 15:38:53 GMT
Christ some of the bollocks our fans come out with regarding Ryan is embarrassing. He’s an absolute club legend who is clearly struggling with injuries and niggles but he certainly is not finished and will be a big help for us when he is fit. Some of you give your head a wobble your coming out with utter crap.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 1, 2020 15:48:10 GMT
Christ some of the bollocks our fans come out with regarding Ryan is embarrassing. He’s an absolute club legend who is clearly struggling with injuries and niggles but he certainly is not finished and will be a big help for us when he is fit. Some of you give your head a wobble your coming out with utter crap. Absolutely agree he is a club legend but he's struggled to get to half time since he came back from his leg break and that's on top of a couple of seasons hampered by a chronic back problem. The problem with your arguement that he'll be great WHEN he is fit is the when. When doesn't come into it - it's one massive and increasingly unlikely IF - and that isn't in any way being disrespectful to a legend.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 1, 2020 15:52:41 GMT
Christ some of the bollocks our fans come out with regarding Ryan is embarrassing. He’s an absolute club legend who is clearly struggling with injuries and niggles but he certainly is not finished and will be a big help for us when he is fit. Some of you give your head a wobble your coming out with utter crap. He is clearly struggling but we should give him as much time as he needs. However, he costs us over £2.5 million a season and good servant as he has been, he has been paid for it . At some Point a decision has to be made
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2020 16:01:42 GMT
Really sad
he's obviously desperate to play and give something back
testimonial time
one of Stoke best ever centre backs (& we have had a few)
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 1, 2020 16:04:09 GMT
Christ some of the bollocks our fans come out with regarding Ryan is embarrassing. He’s an absolute club legend who is clearly struggling with injuries and niggles but he certainly is not finished and will be a big help for us when he is fit. Some of you give your head a wobble your coming out with utter crap. He is clearly struggling but we should give him as much time as he needs. However, he costs us over £2.5 million a season and good servant as he has been, he has been paid for it . At some Point a decision has to be made £2.5m a year? Factual source would help
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 1, 2020 16:04:57 GMT
He's also one of our top earners isn't he? I know he's been here through the good times but the club has made him a multi millionaire. He now seems to be holding us back rather, especially from an FFP point of view. Haven’t the schools gone back yet?
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 1, 2020 19:21:44 GMT
Feel for Ryan because injuries has took over in the final stages of his career but 12 years of service and the best centre half I’ve seen play for stoke.
Testimonial is definitely in order when the time is right
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 1, 2020 19:22:51 GMT
Christ some of the bollocks our fans come out with regarding Ryan is embarrassing. He’s an absolute club legend who is clearly struggling with injuries and niggles but he certainly is not finished and will be a big help for us when he is fit. Some of you give your head a wobble your coming out with utter crap. He’s never gonna be fully fit again. He’s finished
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 1, 2020 19:46:53 GMT
Cost a million quid and has been an extremely great player through one of our best periods in our history, he might well be on his way out but lets respect him as what he is a modern day legend in my opinion.
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Post by datguy on Sept 1, 2020 19:49:18 GMT
It may well be the sad reality that Ryan will never play a run of games again for us.
13 years he’s been here. He’ll know whether he can carry on or not.
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Post by datguy on Sept 1, 2020 19:52:27 GMT
He's also one of our top earners isn't he? I know he's been here through the good times but the club has made him a multi millionaire. He now seems to be holding us back rather, especially from an FFP point of view. Haven’t the schools gone back yet? It’s a valid concern though isn’t it? I have absolutely no idea how much he’s on, but I’d imagine he’s one of the better earners (and rightly so). But if it looks like we’ll only be getting 10-15 games out of him throughout a season, then can we afford that with FFP? He’ll know when he’s finished. If he thinks he can carry on and be a regular, then he absolutely will do that.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 1, 2020 19:53:26 GMT
He's also one of our top earners isn't he? I know he's been here through the good times but the club has made him a multi millionaire. He now seems to be holding us back rather, especially from an FFP point of view. At the time Stoke made him a millionaire there was a host of other clubs that would have done the same, clubs of a bigger stature than Stoke and while it's conjecture I suspect they would have made him richer too. Currently the 8th most capped Stoke player, injuries have possibly robbed him of the chance of getting into the top 2. If things turn round he has a good chance of breaking into the top 5. All guess work but I suspect many of us will have passed on before someone else breaks into the top 5. This club is plagued with many, many problems. As far as I'm concerned Ryan is ring fenced from everything.
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