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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 18, 2020 7:29:54 GMT
Watford, Norwich and Bournemouth could afford him (Ince) Can't imagine they would want him Loan it is then. yeah, certainly can't see any non-loan options
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2020 8:04:00 GMT
After last night's performance, it isn't just Ince and Butland who are no longer needed at Stoke.
Batth, Chester, Shawcross, and even Clucus and Allen need to be watching their backs and buck themselves up, because the young ones are after their places.
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Post by march4 on Sept 18, 2020 8:18:55 GMT
Just as Saturday was a big hint to Afobe to find another club, I think last night was a hint to Ince and Butland.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 18, 2020 8:41:03 GMT
After last night's performance, it isn't just Ince and Butland who are no longer needed at Stoke. Batth, Chester, Shawcross, and even Clucus and Allen need to be watching their backs and buck themselves up, because the young ones are after their places. Allen should have been gone a long time ago.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 18, 2020 8:43:13 GMT
After last night's performance, it isn't just Ince and Butland who are no longer needed at Stoke. Batth, Chester, Shawcross, and even Clucus and Allen need to be watching their backs and buck themselves up, because the young ones are after their places. I think you are stretching things a bit. For example, yes Tymon is pushing very hard to take Clucas's place on the left of midfield or even McClean's place when we play with wing backs. But even if Clucas were to lose his starting place we still need 2 decent players for every position and Tymon and Clucas are the only two left footed attacking central midfielders we have. Much the same can be said of several of the senior players. If you play a first team composed mainly of U23 players that doesn't mean you should confine yourself to mainly Academy players as their understudies. Ince and Butland are different - they are both among the top earners at the club and both have been on indifferent form for well over 12 months and moves would benefit them as well as Stoke.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2020 9:10:14 GMT
After last night's performance, it isn't just Ince and Butland who are no longer needed at Stoke. Batth, Chester, Shawcross, and even Clucus and Allen need to be watching their backs and buck themselves up, because the young ones are after their places. I think you are stretching things a bit. For example, yes Tymon is pushing very hard to take Clucas's place on the left of midfield or even McClean's place when we play with wing backs. But even if Clucas were to lose his starting place we still need 2 decent players for every position and Tymon and Clucas are the only two left footed attacking central midfielders we have. Much the same can be said of several of the senior players. If you play a first team composed mainly of U23 players that doesn't mean you should confine yourself to mainly Academy players as their understudies. Ince and Butland are different - they are both among the top earners at the club and both have been on indifferent form for well over 12 months and moves would benefit them as well as Stoke. I'm not saying any of them should go, I am saying they should not expect to be automatic choices and their positions are now under threat. Edwards has clearly blotted his copy book and MON is clearly very single minded about taking players out if they do not perform and giving someone else a chance. Managers usually stick with the players they have brought in, often to justify their original decision to sign. I think MON will be a lot more objective and pick players on their merits and how players gel together. I still remember Cloughie paying a record fee (Duncan McKenzie* I think) and sitting him on the bench to watch the rest of the team and learn how he was going to fit in. * maybe Trevor Francis?
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Post by pez75 on Sept 18, 2020 9:21:06 GMT
After last night's performance, it isn't just Ince and Butland who are no longer needed at Stoke. Batth, Chester, Shawcross, and even Clucus and Allen need to be watching their backs and buck themselves up, because the young ones are after their places. Calm down, Clucas & Allen will continue to be the mainstay of our midfield barring injuries or departures.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 9:27:10 GMT
After last night's performance, it isn't just Ince and Butland who are no longer needed at Stoke. Batth, Chester, Shawcross, and even Clucus and Allen need to be watching their backs and buck themselves up, because the young ones are after their places. As much as I've pleading the cases of Tymon, Sorensen, Verlinden, and Collins, and Souttar while he was away, it's going to take more than one cup game and some pre season promises before you can say that they can definitely replace trusted people like Shawcross (if he even gets fit), Clucas, and Allen. I don't much like the latter two but they have proven they some days know how to do the business. To say that those players are no longer needed is just too over the top. Agree about Chester. We never needed him in the first place, and we certainly can replace him rather sooner than later. I quite like Batth as a person, but his days too are numbered. We benefitted from being underdogs last night and played players that Nuno had never even heard of and was totally unprepared for. Bristol City and those that come after won't be making that mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 9:30:56 GMT
Just as Saturday was a big hint to Afobe to find another club, I think last night was a hint to Ince and Butland. Butland doesn't need any hints. He has been wanting to leave for over two years. Who knows what goes through or even into Ince's head?
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Post by flea79 on Sept 18, 2020 11:36:44 GMT
Just as Saturday was a big hint to Afobe to find another club, I think last night was a hint to Ince and Butland. Butland doesn't need any hints. He has been wanting to leave for over two years. Who knows what goes through or even into Ince's head? Sod all through his head it’s why his career is where it is, his old man did all the thinking for him and that didn’t go so well as old man ince has the intellectual fortitude of a regurgitated worm
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 18, 2020 12:08:04 GMT
Such a waste. Imagine a functioning Ince on the left and brown on the right?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 18, 2020 12:21:40 GMT
After last night's performance, it isn't just Ince and Butland who are no longer needed at Stoke. Batth, Chester, Shawcross, and even Clucus and Allen need to be watching their backs and buck themselves up, because the young ones are after their places. Calm down, Clucas & Allen will continue to be the mainstay of our midfield barring injuries or departures. What a depressing thought. Since Allen has been out the team has grown to be well drilled and organised, you introduce headless Joe back into the equation and that will all fall to pieces instantly, like it has done with him in the team since day one. He needs to be on the next bus out with Ince & Butland.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 18, 2020 12:23:20 GMT
After last night's performance, it isn't just Ince and Butland who are no longer needed at Stoke. Batth, Chester, Shawcross, and even Clucus and Allen need to be watching their backs and buck themselves up, because the young ones are after their places. Agree with most of that, but Clucas? Can't see his spot being taken to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 13:09:26 GMT
After last night's performance, it isn't just Ince and Butland who are no longer needed at Stoke. Batth, Chester, Shawcross, and even Clucus and Allen need to be watching their backs and buck themselves up, because the young ones are after their places. Agree with most of that, but Clucas? Can't see his spot being taken to be honest. Bit of a stretch to go between no longer needed and watch their spots. Collins and Souttar could be a great partnership for us, especially in a back 3 with one of Shawcross, Batth, Indi or Chester to help them progress. When one (or both) of Batth/Chester have a howler, id expect these two to be knocking on the door. I’d be amazed if they played Sunday (3 days after a big game for them) and dislodged a regular partnership that’s looked solid enough since the Leeds/Wigan games.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 18, 2020 13:17:38 GMT
Calm down, Clucas & Allen will continue to be the mainstay of our midfield barring injuries or departures. What a depressing thought. Since Allen has been out the team has grown to be well drilled and organised, you introduce headless Joe back into the equation and that will all fall to pieces instantly, like it has done with him in the team since day one. He needs to be on the next bus out with Ince & Butland. Used properly by a decent manager and when he only has to do one job rather than three Joe Allen is a major asset.
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Post by march4 on Sept 18, 2020 14:01:27 GMT
Just as Saturday was a big hint to Afobe to find another club, I think last night was a hint to Ince and Butland. Butland doesn't need any hints. He has been wanting to leave for over two years. Who knows what goes through or even into Ince's head? Sometimes a nudge is needed to accept an offer that is not quite what is wanted.
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Post by karl on Sept 18, 2020 18:07:15 GMT
Cannot see him featuring much this season so may as well loan him out.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 12:03:28 GMT
Message couldn't be clearer to Incey: on yer bike
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 20, 2020 12:15:15 GMT
Talented player who seems to lack motivation, needs to move on and see if he can find it elsewhere
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2020 17:02:58 GMT
As with Butland, what the hell is going to happen with him?
Would have said Rowett may be an option to pay 50% of his wages and take him for the year - but isn't their best player, Wallace, a right winger?
Birmingham have bought a right winger, Cardiff have loaned Ojo. Forest have already got a stockpile in that position...
Would Derby loan him? They seem to be playing a promising youngster, Knight, there at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 17:06:10 GMT
As with Butland, what the hell is going to happen with him? Would have said Rowett may be an option to pay 50% of his wages and take him for the year - but isn't their best player, Wallace, a right winger? Birmingham have bought a right winger, Cardiff have loaned Ojo. Forest have already got a stockpile in that position... Would Derby loan him? They seem to be playing a promising youngster, Knight, there at the moment. He'll probably end up at Futbol Kulübü Ankorra or somewhere...................
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 28, 2020 17:06:52 GMT
Isn't there even a Turkish club interested!!!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 28, 2020 17:07:42 GMT
Ince will stay and has to fight to get on the bench or pray for a change of formation.
He's unshiftable.
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 28, 2020 17:11:10 GMT
Ince will stay and has to fight to get on the bench or pray for a change of formation. He's unshiftable. He hasn’t got fight in him, has he?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 28, 2020 17:13:24 GMT
Ince will stay and has to fight to get on the bench or pray for a change of formation. He's unshiftable. He hasn’t got fight in him, has he? I don't know. He ran back 60 yards in an under 23 game to win the ball back in the left back position today so his attitude looks to be okay. The fact he did nothing with the ball at this feet was the biggest concern.
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 28, 2020 17:21:14 GMT
He hasn’t got fight in him, has he? I don't know. He ran back 60 yards in an under 23 game to win the ball back in the left back position today so his attitude looks to be okay. The fact he did nothing with the ball at this feet was the biggest concern. The last time he was in the side, I remember in one game him running around a lot and he looked like he was trying hard. But he was always just too late to make a challenge or win the ball. Almost as though he thought ‘I’ll LOOK like I’m getting stuck in, but I won’t ACTUALLY get stuck in’. Maybe I’m being too critical.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 28, 2020 17:34:22 GMT
He’s no more than a journeyman at the age of 28. I think he has played for 8/9 clubs permanent/loan during his career which will only go sideways and downwards from here on in.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 28, 2020 17:39:34 GMT
He’s a world beater in his dads eyes , be lucky get 2 million now , another one robbing a living
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 18:33:13 GMT
Isn't there even a Turkish club interested!!! Shows how bad a player he is doesn’t it
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 28, 2020 18:36:55 GMT
Isn't there even a Turkish club interested!!! Shows how bad a player he is doesn’t it If only he could find back to the player he was under Rowett in the first half of that season. At that time I thought he was our only creative spark and also scored several goals for us. Why he has ended up as now is really a mystery and he still could play a vital part if he buckled down I think.
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