hotpot
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Post by hotpot on Sept 2, 2020 7:36:49 GMT
We should have kept Diouf to partner either Fletcher, Tyrese, Verlinden, Allen and Powell, or even McClean as a strike force ... and got rid of Ince, Vokes and Gregory once and for all.
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Tom Ince?
Sept 2, 2020 7:44:44 GMT
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Post by callas12 on Sept 2, 2020 7:44:44 GMT
We should have kept Diouf to partner either Fletcher, Tyrese, Verlinden, Allen and Powell, or even McClean as a strike force ... and got rid of Ince, Vokes and Gregory once and for all. I really think Diouf had gone. I saw him in a good couple of U21 matches just prior to lockdown & he looked lost amongst that standard. Diouf definitely had some stand out moments for Stoke & i'll always appreciate his effort during his time with us. But to suggest he still had a future here beyond last season, I definitely cant agree with.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Sept 2, 2020 7:47:03 GMT
No matter how well he played yesterday, he's proven he has been a complete dud in the previous seasons for us.
Probably one of the biggest flops we've had in recent years.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2020 8:14:46 GMT
No matter how well he played yesterday, he's proven he has been a complete dud in the previous seasons for us. Probably one of the biggest flops we've had in recent years. I see what you are saying. But, given that his appearances on the left wing have been as rare as hen's teeth, AND the fact that he has looked good in the 2 occasions he has played there we'd be foolish to write him off before giving him a run in that position. It is ironic that he shows promise on the left (on his natural foot) at the same time that Tymon also starts to show promise there. McClean now has 2 potential rivals for that position - sods law I suppose.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 2, 2020 9:51:52 GMT
No matter how well he played yesterday, he's proven he has been a complete dud in the previous seasons for us. Probably one of the biggest flops we've had in recent years. I see what you are saying. But, given that his appearances on the left wing have been as rare as hen's teeth, AND the fact that he has looked good in the 2 occasions he has played there we'd be foolish to write him off before giving him a run in that position. It is ironic that he shows promise on the left (on his natural foot) at the same time that Tymon also starts to show promise there. McClean now has 2 potential rivals for that position - sods law I suppose. I’d try Tymon before Ince- two years Ince has been on the pitch and has for the most part been ineffectual; for a professional player to spend the majority of his career occupying the position that Stoke have picked him in, and for us then to think that the answer to his issues is to suddenly play him on the left Is really clutching at straws.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2020 10:01:48 GMT
I see what you are saying. But, given that his appearances on the left wing have been as rare as hen's teeth, AND the fact that he has looked good in the 2 occasions he has played there we'd be foolish to write him off before giving him a run in that position. It is ironic that he shows promise on the left (on his natural foot) at the same time that Tymon also starts to show promise there. McClean now has 2 potential rivals for that position - sods law I suppose. I’d try Tymon before Ince- two years Ince has been on the pitch and has for the most part been ineffectual; for a professional player to spend the majority of his career occupying the position that Stoke have picked him in, and for us then to think that the answer to his issues is to suddenly play him on the left Is really clutching at straws. I'd try them both - why on earth wouldn't you?
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Post by victormature on Sept 2, 2020 10:13:40 GMT
Got that same smacked-arse face ....... that same swagger ....... that same dismissive attitude as his Dad ....... BUT that's where the comparison ends
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Post by thehoof on Sept 2, 2020 11:02:18 GMT
I’d try Tymon before Ince- two years Ince has been on the pitch and has for the most part been ineffectual; for a professional player to spend the majority of his career occupying the position that Stoke have picked him in, and for us then to think that the answer to his issues is to suddenly play him on the left Is really clutching at straws. I'd try them both - why on earth wouldn't you? Because Ince is a waste of space- a good game against a weakened Leeds doesn’t change two years of no shows.
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Tom Ince?
Sept 2, 2020 18:00:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 18:00:09 GMT
Easy to forget but he was our best player in that first half season under Rowett. Hopefully the presence of some better players around him will get him back to that level. Was he really? I was so bored I can barely remember a game apart from sheff wed and Bolton away. As for ince, best game he's had for us, in my opinion, was the 45 minutes he played on the left hand side away at preston. Think it was in the 2-2 draw. Reading away, first weekend of December he scored a screamer and played really well.
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Tom Ince?
Sept 2, 2020 18:03:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 18:03:48 GMT
He used to put a shift in when he first came. Seemed to think he was some discipline of the increasingly popular methods of pressing in his interviews at the time. Apart from paying him very handsomely, I doubt the environment at the club has helped him since.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 18:19:59 GMT
I think the question that needs addressing is why is Tom Ince, an experienced pro, able to play like he ruled the world behind closed doors and allegedly also in training, but as soon as fans turn up and/or tv cameras zoom in, he goes into hiding and plays his usual pretend but never act games? It seems Ince is subject to a deep psychological problem, which has surfaced at some point during his time at this club.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 18:24:25 GMT
No matter how well he played yesterday, he's proven he has been a complete dud in the previous seasons for us. Probably one of the biggest flops we've had in recent years. I see what you are saying. But, given that his appearances on the left wing have been as rare as hen's teeth, AND the fact that he has looked good in the 2 occasions he has played there we'd be foolish to write him off before giving him a run in that position. It is ironic that he shows promise on the left (on his natural foot) at the same time that Tymon also starts to show promise there. McClean now has 2 potential rivals for that position - sods law I suppose. It would be three when Verlinden is fit, although his best position is on the right.
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 2, 2020 19:00:07 GMT
He used to put a shift in when he first came. Seemed to think he was some discipline of the increasingly popular methods of pressing in his interviews at the time. Apart from paying him very handsomely, I doubt the environment at the club has helped him since. Apart from the paying him very handsomely, don’t you think that Ince has helped to cultivate the environment at the club ? A big money signing who’s consistent at being inconsistent, he’s a enigma that Rowett, Jones and now O’Neill have failed to solve. He’s another player on big bucks and on a long term contract who is happily sacrificing his career and talent for the sake of the financial rewards that the Chief Executive of the club offered.
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Post by skelman on Sept 4, 2020 12:57:39 GMT
He used to put a shift in when he first came. Seemed to think he was some discipline of the increasingly popular methods of pressing in his interviews at the time. Apart from paying him very handsomely, I doubt the environment at the club has helped him since. Apart from the paying him very handsomely, don’t you think that Ince has helped to cultivate the environment at the club ? A big money signing who’s consistent at being inconsistent, he’s a enigma that Rowett, Jones and now O’Neill have failed to solve. He’s another player on big bucks and on a long term contract who is happily sacrificing his career and talent for the sake of the financial rewards that the Chief Executive of the club offered. Mate, even a fat copper has got more pace than that melancholic Ince! media2.giphy.com/media/3o7ZeLr01g0kAk4K6Q/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e4721d2c166b601d5f0b2f2ebee077e634bc80809d2&rid=giphy.gif
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Tom Ince?
Sept 4, 2020 17:20:37 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 4, 2020 17:20:37 GMT
Ince had a good game v Leeds, but when will his next good game be, Oct, Nov or later?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 6, 2020 10:53:32 GMT
You do wonder where and when he's going to get serious game time.
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Tom Ince?
Sept 6, 2020 11:14:20 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 6, 2020 11:14:20 GMT
Just used to wind me the fuck up like when McClean just crosses all the time without thinking. Just seems such a waste of possession. McClean's our most creative player via passes & carries. He moves possession into more dangerous areas of the field. But he's also our most "wasteful". That tends to come with the role, if you're tasked with getting the ball into dangerous areas, you're going to give it away a lot, as well. TAA is Liverpool's most "wasteful" player when in possession, but he's also their most creative. Here's how the squad look for 2019/20 in risk/reward ball progression. 1 is the team baseline. So creative players are to the right of the vertical line, below average creatives are to the left (nothing wrong with that if it's not your job). Players who keep possession well are below the horizontal line and those who give it away more than average are above it. Numbers in brackets are minutes played (Bigger is more reliable). Blue, unlabelled points, are other Championship teams for reference. Creative & able to look after the ball are rare (and ours currently plays for someone else). Not creative & wasteful in possession is the worst possible combo, but you can sort of forgive keepers. Powell & (especially) Campbell are nicely creative, but also respect the need to maintain possession. Ince would do if he didn't chuck it all away with his long range shooting. View AttachmentI'm trying to work out how two steady, pedestrian midfielders like Sorensen and Thompson are up in the top right corner. I can only assume it's because they take set pieces, because I can't believe that their possession retention is that bad.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2020 17:07:58 GMT
Odd that he's not in the 18?
Being beckoned towards the exit door?
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Tom Ince?
Sept 17, 2020 17:12:36 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 17, 2020 17:12:36 GMT
Odd that he's not in the 18? Being beckoned towards the exit door? Would not surprise me one bit if he’s playing for Bristol City or Derby in the coming weeks
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2020 17:15:24 GMT
Odd that he's not in the 18? Being beckoned towards the exit door? Would not surprise me one bit if he’s playing for Bristol City or Derby in the coming weeks Have you heard something, CP?
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Tom Ince?
Sept 17, 2020 17:21:44 GMT
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Post by mattythestokie on Sept 17, 2020 17:21:44 GMT
Odd that he's not in the 18? Being beckoned towards the exit door? Would not surprise me one bit if he’s playing for Bristol City or Derby in the coming weeks Derby signing Jordan Ibe. You wouldn’t think they’d get Ince as well.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 17, 2020 17:22:18 GMT
Would not surprise me one bit if he’s playing for Bristol City or Derby in the coming weeks Have you heard something, CP? Simpson is the Number 2 at Bristol City and loves him and Derby are after another wide player(wages would be an issue I’d guess) so no I’m just putting 2 and 2 together and probably getting 5 😄
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Tom Ince?
Sept 17, 2020 17:23:09 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 17, 2020 17:23:09 GMT
Would not surprise me one bit if he’s playing for Bristol City or Derby in the coming weeks Derby signing Jordan Ibe. You wouldn’t think they’d get Ince as well. Theyve got to get someone out to try and get Ibe apparently
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 17, 2020 20:55:06 GMT
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Tom Ince?
Sept 17, 2020 21:04:30 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 17, 2020 21:04:30 GMT
I’ve had a hunch that Ince is near the top of O’Neill’s shitlist since day one.
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Post by theteacher on Sept 17, 2020 21:08:28 GMT
Ince, Butland, Edwards and Lindsey don’t make the 2nd team (squad) tonight. Interesting.
That’s on top of the bomb squad we already know about with just Bauer and Wimmer still to depart from that group of players.
MON clearly building a squad of players who are pulling in the same direction with the younger players “putting more in” and developing.
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Post by bojanwonder on Sept 17, 2020 21:17:39 GMT
Ince, Butland, Edwards and Lindsey don’t make the 2nd team (squad) tonight. Interesting. That’s on top of the bomb squad we already know about with just Bauer and Wimmer still to depart from that group of players. MON clearly building a squad of players who are pulling in the same direction with the younger players “putting more in” and developing. And doesn't it feel good!
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Post by theteacher on Sept 17, 2020 21:43:53 GMT
Ince, Butland, Edwards and Lindsey don’t make the 2nd team (squad) tonight. Interesting. That’s on top of the bomb squad we already know about with just Bauer and Wimmer still to depart from that group of players. MON clearly building a squad of players who are pulling in the same direction with the younger players “putting more in” and developing. And doesn't it feel good! The Stoke DNA returning - we are getting our ID back and yes it’s starting to feel good. Regardless of where we end up this season. A team and a group of players giving 100% every game is all we can ask for as supporters. The corner has been turned so hopefully onward and upward.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 18, 2020 7:23:15 GMT
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Tom Ince?
Sept 18, 2020 7:26:08 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 18, 2020 7:26:08 GMT
Watford, Norwich and Bournemouth could afford him (Ince) Can't imagine they would want him Loan it is then.
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