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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 21, 2020 9:57:48 GMT
This has nothing to do with the UK and even less to do with football.The fact this story and its official narrative have been promoted so much that within a couple weeks it can be easily agreed to happen in football tells me there's enormous manipulation going on. And I'm not comfortable with being played in this way. It's certainly not organic. Have people lost all sense of reason and critical thinking? It has nothing to do with improving black lives. BLM is corrupt, criminal, deceptive, subversive and divisive. Shove this taking the knee nonsense. It's an utter disgrace to have this at football. And to have a private, run-for-profit corporation monopolising the topic and debate. I'm tired of manipulated social media trends and agenda driven news attempting to shape my thoughts. It's disturbing to witness that people are more brainwashed than ever. This is mass mind control on the level of 30s Germany, and dissonant voices are quashed. It does if you're black. Therefore, either you're prepared to stand by them as a white person or you're not. And if you're not? You work it out. That's too reductive though. If I was on the pitch I'd do it, but only because it'd be too much hassle not to do it. Would that make me a secret racist? Maybe it would and I haven't given enough time to self examination. My reasoning for not really wanting to do it would be because I think it's just window dressing and an easy answer. I'd have been seen to do something. I'd have tweeted my little black square. I'd have issued my 'I take responsibility' video. I'd have completed my prescribed non-cancellation activity and ticked a box.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 21, 2020 10:08:49 GMT
Why not call them children of mixed race? Or mixed ethnicity? Using a long outdated term (such as BJ's use of the slaver term Piccaninny) is just ignorant. Why go back to the term half cast that was used 60 years ago when the word ni**er was also a common word used to describe black people? Sorry Lakeland, yes outdated use of words on my behalf I accept that but when we have protesters tearing down statues and protesting about one incident, and yes again I said it was wrong how GF was killed, they have brought up the past history and made the situation a million times worse in the manner of their protests, let the authorities deal with it!!! Protest peacefully not go looting stores, sit in the road and link arms!! Pretty well ALL large scale protests are in danger of attracting a minority who will use them to pursue their own agenda. That isn't a reason to ban legitimate protests. If we did that then effectively we have removed the right to protest. And using outdated words in the context of race or prejudice of any sort is wrong. Once you start using outdated words, such as words like Coon, Nigger, Fudge packer, Bum Boy, etc. etc. you are in danger of becoming labeled as a racist or homophobe - you can't pick and choose. If you don't want to be regarded as racist or prejudiced or discriminatory - then use the words society (and the law) currently consider to be acceptable.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 21, 2020 10:20:58 GMT
There was a comment earlier in this thread that mentioned that it was developing as expected....That was nail on head. I want to apoligise.... To Fitz....Clive....Eaton....Ian ....guys from Fenton/Sandford Hill who i grew up with and played cricket and football with. Guys who i think knew me as Dave and not a white lad just as i knew them as simply mates.... I apologise if you think my stance on BLM and its politicising by my football team has in any way changed my feelings to you guys as anything other than lads i grew up with. Stoke have let us all down by getting dragged into something that only enforces the knuckledraggers in Society from getting active. Sport and politics is a diasastourous combinaion as one of lifes biggest influencers. To anyone who labels me as a racist...no problem...have a nice day To those who actually know me....have a great day To Stoke....To Peter.....To players who may have felt played yesterday....So long...it was a great journey you took me on How utterly ridiculous to pack in supporting your team over young lads showing solidarity to their black mates for 20 seconds. Pathetic in fact.
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Post by yeswilko on Jun 21, 2020 10:22:55 GMT
There was a comment earlier in this thread that mentioned that it was developing as expected....That was nail on head. I want to apoligise.... To Fitz....Clive....Eaton....Ian ....guys from Fenton/Sandford Hill who i grew up with and played cricket and football with. Guys who i think knew me as Dave and not a white lad just as i knew them as simply mates.... I apologise if you think my stance on BLM and its politicising by my football team has in any way changed my feelings to you guys as anything other than lads i grew up with. Stoke have let us all down by getting dragged into something that only enforces the knuckledraggers in Society from getting active. Sport and politics is a diasastourous combinaion as one of lifes biggest influencers. To anyone who labels me as a racist...no problem...have a nice day To those who actually know me....have a great day To Stoke....To Peter.....To players who may have felt played yesterday....So long...it was a great journey you took me on Hahahahaha just hilarious. Tra duck
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Post by dexta on Jun 21, 2020 10:23:52 GMT
There was a comment earlier in this thread that mentioned that it was developing as expected....That was nail on head. I want to apoligise.... To Fitz....Clive....Eaton....Ian ....guys from Fenton/Sandford Hill who i grew up with and played cricket and football with. Guys who i think knew me as Dave and not a white lad just as i knew them as simply mates.... I apologise if you think my stance on BLM and its politicising by my football team has in any way changed my feelings to you guys as anything other than lads i grew up with. Stoke have let us all down by getting dragged into something that only enforces the knuckledraggers in Society from getting active. Sport and politics is a diasastourous combinaion as one of lifes biggest influencers. To anyone who labels me as a racist...no problem...have a nice day To those who actually know me....have a great day To Stoke....To Peter.....To players who may have felt played yesterday....So long...it was a great journey you took me on where did you live in fenton fella
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Post by starkiller on Jun 21, 2020 10:27:11 GMT
This has nothing to do with the UK and even less to do with football.The fact this story and its official narrative have been promoted so much that within a couple weeks it can be easily agreed to happen in football tells me there's enormous manipulation going on. And I'm not comfortable with being played in this way. It's certainly not organic. Have people lost all sense of reason and critical thinking? It has nothing to do with improving black lives. BLM is corrupt, criminal, deceptive, subversive and divisive. Shove this taking the knee nonsense. It's an utter disgrace to have this at football. And to have a private, run-for-profit corporation monopolising the topic and debate. I'm tired of manipulated social media trends and agenda driven news attempting to shape my thoughts. It's disturbing to witness that people are more brainwashed than ever. This is mass mind control on the level of 30s Germany, and dissonant voices are quashed. It does if you're black. Therefore, either you're prepared to stand by them as a white person or you're not. And if you're not? You work it out. I'm not prepared to stand by Black Lives Matter PLC. You work it out.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 21, 2020 10:54:23 GMT
It does if you're black. Therefore, either you're prepared to stand by them as a white person or you're not. And if you're not? You work it out. I'm not prepared to stand by Black Lives Matter PLC. You work it out. The message and the organisation are two separate entities. The message is spot on. The organisation. On the other hand not so. Unfortunately the lines are blurred. Blurred onto football now these pre-arranged gestures are taking place. It’s all to cynical from football who don’t have the best record when dealing with racism. Maybe some footballers need to avoid the knee and speak out on such cynicism
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 21, 2020 11:02:42 GMT
Sorry Lakeland, yes outdated use of words on my behalf I accept that but when we have protesters tearing down statues and protesting about one incident, and yes again I said it was wrong how GF was killed, they have brought up the past history and made the situation a million times worse in the manner of their protests, let the authorities deal with it!!! Protest peacefully not go looting stores, sit in the road and link arms!! Pretty well ALL large scale protests are in danger of attracting a minority who will use them to pursue their own agenda. That isn't a reason to ban legitimate protests. If we did that then effectively we have removed the right to protest. And using outdated words in the context of race or prejudice of any sort is wrong. Once you start using outdated words, such as words like Coon, Nigger, Fudge packer, Bum Boy, etc. etc. you are in danger of becoming labeled as a racist or homophobe - you can't pick and choose. If you don't want to be regarded as racist or prejudiced or discriminatory - then use the words society (and the law) currently consider to be acceptable. Like gammon ?
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Post by steve66 on Jun 21, 2020 11:23:06 GMT
Sorry Lakeland, yes outdated use of words on my behalf I accept that but when we have protesters tearing down statues and protesting about one incident, and yes again I said it was wrong how GF was killed, they have brought up the past history and made the situation a million times worse in the manner of their protests, let the authorities deal with it!!! Protest peacefully not go looting stores, sit in the road and link arms!! Pretty well ALL large scale protests are in danger of attracting a minority who will use them to pursue their own agenda. That isn't a reason to ban legitimate protests. If we did that then effectively we have removed the right to protest. And using outdated words in the context of race or prejudice of any sort is wrong. Once you start using outdated words, such as words like Coon, Nigger, Fudge packer, Bum Boy, etc. etc. you are in danger of becoming labeled as a racist or homophobe - you can't pick and choose. If you don't want to be regarded as racist or prejudiced or discriminatory - then use the words society (and the law) currently consider to be acceptable. FFS mate I’ve said sorry for my wrong choice of words in the heat of the mood/ moment, and I’ve reiterated that protest peacefully is ok and I am not in the slightest racist as I have many ethnic friends and the love of my life and best friend is not white, she happens to agree that this has now gone way over and beyond human decency!
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Post by alfiestokie22 on Jun 21, 2020 11:29:21 GMT
If black lives really mattered to the football establishment, then they wouldn't be forcing BAME players who are significantly more at risk of dying from Covid to go out and play football so that an octogenarian Australian man can add to his mountains of cash. It was an empty gesture from an organisation that clearly couldn't give a stuff. The reason BAME communities are more ay risk is more to do with poverty leading to higher risk not genetics, from what I've read. So BAME footballers should, on a good wage, be no higher or lower risk than white footballers
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 21, 2020 11:38:10 GMT
Sticking strictly to the title of the subject thread, I put 'taking the knee' into google to understand its true meaning or at least understand it in its current context
It came back with variants from Colin Kaepernick and his kneeling during an NFL game, through to landowners in the 16th century going to the local land registry and being allocated land, whereby this action - (taking the knee) meant 'Ïm kneeling on my land - this is mine'
I then put 'taking the knee+meaning', 'what does taking the knee signify', 'taking a knee'.
Each time it came back with other different variants and meanings, than the original search
The whole point to this is whatever you put into google, what you come out with is a lottery
People can then make their own mind up but more importantly understand what their protesting for.
If people want to take the knee then fair play to them but first clearly understand your actions and why youre doing it.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 21, 2020 11:39:40 GMT
Pretty well ALL large scale protests are in danger of attracting a minority who will use them to pursue their own agenda. That isn't a reason to ban legitimate protests. If we did that then effectively we have removed the right to protest. And using outdated words in the context of race or prejudice of any sort is wrong. Once you start using outdated words, such as words like Coon, Nigger, Fudge packer, Bum Boy, etc. etc. you are in danger of becoming labeled as a racist or homophobe - you can't pick and choose. If you don't want to be regarded as racist or prejudiced or discriminatory - then use the words society (and the law) currently consider to be acceptable. Like gammon ? #gammonlivesmatter 😂
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Post by starkiller on Jun 21, 2020 12:03:14 GMT
I'm not prepared to stand by Black Lives Matter PLC. You work it out. The message and the organisation are two separate entities. The message is spot on. The organisation. On the other hand not so. Unfortunately the lines are blurred. Blurred onto football now these pre-arranged gestures are taking place. It’s all to cynical from football who don’t have the best record when dealing with racism. Maybe some footballers need to avoid the knee and speak out on such cynicism BLM is organisation that fundamentally RELIES on deprivation, division and oppression. It has no agenda to solve this and is sending race relations back decades, not improving them. And its current emphasis contains hallmarks of cultural revolution we've seen in some the worst regimes of all time. No one community has a monopoly on deprivation and oppression. And these groups should be uniting not dividing.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 21, 2020 12:42:23 GMT
Equality for black people is a horrible thing isn't it ya old ignorant racists It's not even about that. You're just told it's about that. Good-hearted people, who cannot see through the bullshit, are the easiest to lead.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 21, 2020 12:49:05 GMT
Equality for black people is a horrible thing isn't it ya old ignorant racists It's not even about that. You're just told it's about that. Good-hearted people, who cannot see through the bullshit, are the easiest to lead. This is why I think kick racism out of football is far better and easier to get behind because it’s very specific and pretty much universally supported as it should be. BLM is far more political and I don’t believe that 90 percent of people don’t understand it because it’s way too complicated. For me something like a slogan of “stamp out racism “ would be far easier to get behind. If they had a clap or something similar to support it I’d be far more behind it.
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 21, 2020 12:58:22 GMT
There was a comment earlier in this thread that mentioned that it was developing as expected....That was nail on head. I want to apoligise.... To Fitz....Clive....Eaton....Ian ....guys from Fenton/Sandford Hill who i grew up with and played cricket and football with. Guys who i think knew me as Dave and not a white lad just as i knew them as simply mates.... I apologise if you think my stance on BLM and its politicising by my football team has in any way changed my feelings to you guys as anything other than lads i grew up with. Stoke have let us all down by getting dragged into something that only enforces the knuckledraggers in Society from getting active. Sport and politics is a diasastourous combinaion as one of lifes biggest influencers. To anyone who labels me as a racist...no problem...have a nice day To those who actually know me....have a great day To Stoke....To Peter.....To players who may have felt played yesterday....So long...it was a great journey you took me on where did you live in fenton fella I was born at 100 Foley Street in 1961...moved to Sandford Hill in 1967...A lifetime ago which makes me irrelevant to most of the millenials that post on here. It is what it is but i cannot say nothing why our media start a race war and are encouraged by all football teams..
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 21, 2020 13:09:21 GMT
“Who do you support mate?”
“Well it used to be Stoke but then they took a stand for racism along with every other football club and because I’m a big fucking racist, that was the breaking point for me. Not the extortionate costs, not the millionaire footballers, no, it was the that there was a movement to highlight racism is still rife in 2020.”
Off you fuck. And anyone else who has a problem with it as it “politics and football shouldn’t mix”. What a cop out that is as well. You can fuck off too.
Thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed reading some of the posts on here. Thankfully it’s a minority intent on getting their racist, backward views across. Thanks to anyone who has put them in their place. Fucking wankers.
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 21, 2020 13:23:25 GMT
“Who do you support mate?” “Well it used to be Stoke but then they took a stand for racism along with every other football club and because I’m a big fucking racist, that was the breaking point for me. Not the extortionate costs, not the millionaire footballers, no, it was the that there was a movement to highlight racism is still rife in 2020.” Off you fuck. And anyone else who has a problem with it as it “politics and football shouldn’t mix”. What a cop out that is as well. You can fuck off too. Thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed reading some of the posts on here. Thankfully it’s a minority intent on getting their racist, backward views across. Thanks to anyone who has put them in their place. Fucking wankers. have a nice peaceful fathers day Gary...you are such a wizard with words typed on a keyboard...mammas little treasure?
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Post by datguy on Jun 21, 2020 13:29:16 GMT
There was a comment earlier in this thread that mentioned that it was developing as expected....That was nail on head. I want to apoligise.... To Fitz....Clive....Eaton....Ian ....guys from Fenton/Sandford Hill who i grew up with and played cricket and football with. Guys who i think knew me as Dave and not a white lad just as i knew them as simply mates.... I apologise if you think my stance on BLM and its politicising by my football team has in any way changed my feelings to you guys as anything other than lads i grew up with. Stoke have let us all down by getting dragged into something that only enforces the knuckledraggers in Society from getting active. Sport and politics is a diasastourous combinaion as one of lifes biggest influencers. To anyone who labels me as a racist...no problem...have a nice day To those who actually know me....have a great day To Stoke....To Peter.....To players who may have felt played yesterday....So long...it was a great journey you took me on Load of attention seeking shite this. You said you were fucking off yesterday. Just go mate.
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 21, 2020 13:42:08 GMT
There was a comment earlier in this thread that mentioned that it was developing as expected....That was nail on head. I want to apoligise.... To Fitz....Clive....Eaton....Ian ....guys from Fenton/Sandford Hill who i grew up with and played cricket and football with. Guys who i think knew me as Dave and not a white lad just as i knew them as simply mates.... I apologise if you think my stance on BLM and its politicising by my football team has in any way changed my feelings to you guys as anything other than lads i grew up with. Stoke have let us all down by getting dragged into something that only enforces the knuckledraggers in Society from getting active. Sport and politics is a diasastourous combinaion as one of lifes biggest influencers. To anyone who labels me as a racist...no problem...have a nice day To those who actually know me....have a great day To Stoke....To Peter.....To players who may have felt played yesterday....So long...it was a great journey you took me on Load of attention seeking shite this. You said you were fucking off yesterday. Just go mate. no
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 21, 2020 13:42:34 GMT
“Who do you support mate?” “Well it used to be Stoke but then they took a stand for racism along with every other football club and because I’m a big fucking racist, that was the breaking point for me. Not the extortionate costs, not the millionaire footballers, no, it was the that there was a movement to highlight racism is still rife in 2020.” Off you fuck. And anyone else who has a problem with it as it “politics and football shouldn’t mix”. What a cop out that is as well. You can fuck off too. Thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed reading some of the posts on here. Thankfully it’s a minority intent on getting their racist, backward views across. Thanks to anyone who has put them in their place. Fucking wankers. have a nice peaceful fathers day Gary...you are such a wizard with words typed on a keyboard...mammas little treasure? Fuck off. Imagine having you as a father.
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 21, 2020 13:43:06 GMT
Load of attention seeking shite this. You said you were fucking off yesterday. Just go mate. no You see dat guy i aren't one who does what he is told
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 21, 2020 13:45:12 GMT
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 21, 2020 13:47:56 GMT
Do you really want me to listen to that jug eared gentleman...I would not believe that pink was pink coming out of the BBC....Really?
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Post by datguy on Jun 21, 2020 13:49:32 GMT
You see dat guy i aren't one who does what he is told As I said lad, attention seeking shite.
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Post by PottersBrim on Jun 21, 2020 13:50:25 GMT
Not sure why daveandeddy is spending such a large amount of time on the supporters forum of a club that he no longer supports?
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 21, 2020 13:51:11 GMT
You see dat guy i aren't one who does what he is told As I said lad, attention seeking shite. Still a no from me ...m
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2020 13:58:07 GMT
How long is this taking the knee shit meant to last? Till the end of the season? Will the FA then be called racist when they stop taking the knee? Are we meant to do it forever? The thing is utterly cringeworthy and hugely embarassing.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 21, 2020 14:02:30 GMT
In theabove MOTD clip, Alex Scott mentions Dion Dublin's story (on yesterday's Football Focus) about a racist incident he experienced. If anyone with more talent than me can find the Dion Dublin clip and post it on here, it is well worth a watch.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 21, 2020 14:07:43 GMT
How long is this taking the knee shit meant to last? Till the end of the season? Will the FA then be called racist when they stop taking the knee? Are we meant to do it forever? The thing is utterly cringeworthy and hugely embarassing. Until the fans are back and everybody in the stadium is doing it. Then the black players sit on the subs bench and the white players wash their feet. It's precisely because everyone is doing it that it runs the risk of just becoming another irrelevance. Like let's get all the players to wear a kick racism out of football t shirt twice a season etc. For it to have any meaning or traction in football the next time England or any English side playing in Europe suffer racist abuse then they need to walk off en masse and damn the consequences. That would send a far greater message and have far greater meaning than a bunch of blokes kneeling for any easy life and to avoid jeopardising individual contracts and endorsements.
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