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Post by starkiller on Jun 21, 2020 2:06:36 GMT
This has nothing to do with the UK and even less to do with football.
The fact this story and its official narrative have been promoted so much that within a couple weeks it can be easily agreed to happen in football tells me there's enormous manipulation going on. And I'm not comfortable with being played in this way.
It's certainly not organic. Have people lost all sense of reason and critical thinking? It has nothing to do with improving black lives. BLM is corrupt, criminal, deceptive, subversive and divisive.
Shove this taking the knee nonsense. It's an utter disgrace to have this at football. And to have a private, run-for-profit corporation monopolising the topic and debate.
I'm tired of manipulated social media trends and agenda driven news attempting to shape my thoughts. It's disturbing to witness that people are more brainwashed than ever. This is mass mind control on the level of 30s Germany, and dissonant voices are quashed.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 21, 2020 4:13:45 GMT
A very small minority of idiots have a problem with people’s skin colour or sexuality, the vast majority of us frankly don’t care as we understand these people are no different, by taking a knee it seems that we are treating them differently which is not what should happen, treat everybody equally and no issues is there A lovely view and all that but obviously said by someone who's not spent a day as a black person. They're taking a stand which they feel is long overdue and I don't have a problem with it.
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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 21, 2020 5:55:51 GMT
There's something very performative and selfie-generation about it. I imagine the footy leagues love it as, in 10 years time when football coaching/management/ownership is still grossly unrepresentative of the people playing the game professionally, they'll be able to say "but remember that time when players took the knee".
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 21, 2020 6:12:53 GMT
What specifically is unequal about the “system”? Educational attainment, unemployment rates, average pay, home ownership, arrest levels, stop and search levels. If you’re black in Britain the colour of your skin is something that regularly affects all aspects of your life. Being white, rarely, if ever, is of any relevance. Hard not to disagree with a lot of that But how do you explain the majority of homeless people on the streets tend to be white males
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Post by serpico on Jun 21, 2020 6:54:22 GMT
We’re not a systemically racist country, it’s ludicrous to suggest it!... 2020 Britain is probably the least racist country in history, of course there are individual racists in our society but as a whole we’re a very tolerant and accepting country, black people have the exact same opportunities as white people, nobody is being held back here. The US has a police brutality problem (in general and not just aimed at blacks people) which doesn’t exist in the UK so quite why this BLM stuff has taken off here is a mystery, I suspect it has something to do with social media and a need for people to show how virtuous and “right on” they are ? You have multimillionaires like Anthony Joshua who is personal friends with the oppressive Saudi royal family supporting this cause! That says it all really.
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Post by werrington on Jun 21, 2020 7:00:15 GMT
What specifically is unequal about the “system”? Educational attainment, unemployment rates, average pay, home ownership, arrest levels, stop and search levels. If you’re black in Britain the colour of your skin is something that regularly affects all aspects of your life. Being white, rarely, if ever, is of any relevance. Unless you are obese or have ginger hair of course ...They would rightly say differently Other than that I’d agree
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 21, 2020 7:21:03 GMT
A very small minority of idiots have a problem with people’s skin colour or sexuality, the vast majority of us frankly don’t care as we understand these people are no different, by taking a knee it seems that we are treating them differently which is not what should happen, treat everybody equally and no issues is there A lovely view and all that but obviously said by someone who's not spent a day as a black person. They're taking a stand which they feel is long overdue and I don't have a problem with it. I don’t think many do have a problem with it, people are just starting to get a bit pissed off at being labelled racist if they dare voice any kind of concern/disapproval over the movement.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 21, 2020 7:26:50 GMT
A very small minority of idiots have a problem with people’s skin colour or sexuality, the vast majority of us frankly don’t care as we understand these people are no different, by taking a knee it seems that we are treating them differently which is not what should happen, treat everybody equally and no issues is there A lovely view and all that but obviously said by someone who's not spent a day as a black person. They're taking a stand which they feel is long overdue and I don't have a problem with it. Quite right. I think there are a lot of people in the world and a sizeable chunk of them on this board whose thought processes have never developed beyond the initial ones of the seven year old kids in this video:
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Post by salopstick on Jun 21, 2020 7:40:19 GMT
We’re not a systemically racist country, it’s ludicrous to suggest it!... 2020 Britain is probably the least racist country in history, of course there are individual racists in our society but as a whole we’re a very tolerant and accepting country, black people have the exact same opportunities as white people, nobody is being held back here. The US has a police brutality problem (in general and not just aimed at blacks people) which doesn’t exist in the UK so quite why this BLM stuff has taken off here is a mystery, I suspect it has something to do with social media and a need for people to show how virtuous and “right on” they are ? You have multimillionaires like Anthony Joshua who is personal friends with the oppressive Saudi royal family supporting this cause! That says it all really. The problem as a white person saying this you suddenly get labelled with all sorts. BLM is attracting all sorts who just like to protest against anything, in the same way other groups do. But this thread is about football. I’d really believe this taking the knee bollocks was backed up with the FA actively telling players to leave the pitch if they experience racism. Teams knowing there will be huge fines, points deductions, closed grounds and expulsions from tournaments if there are incidents. It’s being going so long and the authorities do nothing. Until it changes at the top it won’t change at the bottom
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Post by serpico on Jun 21, 2020 7:50:38 GMT
This is all about trump and the upcoming elections, Blm is a leftist front using race as a tool to cause upheaval, the US has a police brutality problem but it’s more widespread than just aimed at black people, white people are also the victims of over zealous policing in the US but saying that doesn’t get you social media kudos.
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Post by yeswilko on Jun 21, 2020 8:07:59 GMT
Bye bye Stoke Took the knee....absolute bollocks Off you trot snowflake hahaha. Time to go
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 21, 2020 8:08:24 GMT
This is all about trump and the upcoming elections, Blm is a leftist front using race as a tool to cause upheaval, the US has a police brutality problem but it’s more widespread than just aimed at black people, white people are also the victims of over zealous policing in the US but saying that doesn’t get you social media kudos. God knows what will happen if trump wins a second term
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 21, 2020 8:17:10 GMT
There was a comment earlier in this thread that mentioned that it was developing as expected....That was nail on head.
I want to apoligise....
To Fitz....Clive....Eaton....Ian ....guys from Fenton/Sandford Hill who i grew up with and played cricket and football with. Guys who i think knew me as Dave and not a white lad just as i knew them as simply mates....
I apologise if you think my stance on BLM and its politicising by my football team has in any way changed my feelings to you guys as anything other than lads i grew up with.
Stoke have let us all down by getting dragged into something that only enforces the knuckledraggers in Society from getting active.
Sport and politics is a diasastourous combinaion as one of lifes biggest influencers.
To anyone who labels me as a racist...no problem...have a nice day To those who actually know me....have a great day
To Stoke....To Peter.....To players who may have felt played yesterday....So long...it was a great journey you took me on
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Post by steve66 on Jun 21, 2020 8:23:49 GMT
I’m fuckin sick of it all tbh, where are the protesters when black kills black? White kills white? Yellow kills yellow? Half caste kills half caste? ALL FUCKIN LIVES MATTER, I know the GF death wasn’t right but by all accounts GF was no angel, as for the pulling down of statues, slavery was legal in those days and we need to learn from that, quite a few “slaves” would actually of been glad to have a roof over their heads and food on their plate instead of living in a field full of cow shit, horse shit or fuckin BULL SHIT! Happy Father’s Day guys, BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW OR HALF CASTE X
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 8:30:55 GMT
I’m fuckin sick of it all tbh, where are the protesters when black kills black? White kills white? Yellow kills yellow? Half caste kills half caste? ALL FUCKIN LIVES MATTER, I know the GF death wasn’t right but by all accounts GF was no angel, as for the pulling down of statues, slavery was legal in those days and we need to learn from that, quite a few “slaves” would actually of been glad to have a roof over their heads and food on their plate instead of living in a field full of cow shit, horse shit or fuckin BULL SHIT! Happy Father’s Day guys, BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW OR HALF CASTE X Half caste? Fucking hell fire.....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 21, 2020 8:36:33 GMT
I’m fuckin sick of it all tbh, where are the protesters when black kills black? White kills white? Yellow kills yellow? Half caste kills half caste? ALL FUCKIN LIVES MATTER, I know the GF death wasn’t right but by all accounts GF was no angel, as for the pulling down of statues, slavery was legal in those days and we need to learn from that, quite a few “slaves” would actually of been glad to have a roof over their heads and food on their plate instead of living in a field full of cow shit, horse shit or fuckin BULL SHIT! Happy Father’s Day guys, BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW OR HALF CASTE X Half caste? Fucking hell fire..... I know! You only have to look at the avatar (ironic!) and the tagline underneath to get the full picture...this board certainly seems to attract them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 8:40:57 GMT
Half caste? Fucking hell fire..... I know! You only have to look at the avatar (ironic!) and the tagline underneath to get the full picture...this board certainly seems to attract them. The “some slaves would have just been happy to have a roof over their head” was certainly an interesting take as well.....
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Post by elystokie on Jun 21, 2020 8:51:39 GMT
Got to disagree with that. I lived with an Anglo Indian partner for 7 years and I can assure you that there are three or four times as many racists about as I thought there were before she moved in with me. I was absolutely gob smacked at the amount of racist comment I heard - some of it from people I had thought were friends. We lived opposite a girl of Goan heritage, she had a lad around the same age as our 2 so we'd look after each others kids, go out for drinks, took them on holiday with us etc Until I spent time with her out in public I had no idea of the prejudice she had to live with on a day to day basis, I'd experienced prejudice before myself but not purely down to skin colour, it was quite disturbing, she was just as English/British whatever as all of my family and yet she was the only one that had to put up with that shit. She laughed if off, all of it, but it must be bloody wearing after a while.
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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 21, 2020 9:06:17 GMT
I’m fuckin sick of it all tbh, where are the protesters when black kills black? White kills white? Yellow kills yellow? Half caste kills half caste? ALL FUCKIN LIVES MATTER, I know the GF death wasn’t right but by all accounts GF was no angel, as for the pulling down of statues, slavery was legal in those days and we need to learn from that, quite a few “slaves” would actually of been glad to have a roof over their heads and food on their plate instead of living in a field full of cow shit, horse shit or fuckin BULL SHIT! Happy Father’s Day guys, BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW OR HALF CASTE X
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Post by steve66 on Jun 21, 2020 9:08:01 GMT
I’m fuckin sick of it all tbh, where are the protesters when black kills black? White kills white? Yellow kills yellow? Half caste kills half caste? ALL FUCKIN LIVES MATTER, I know the GF death wasn’t right but by all accounts GF was no angel, as for the pulling down of statues, slavery was legal in those days and we need to learn from that, quite a few “slaves” would actually of been glad to have a roof over their heads and food on their plate instead of living in a field full of cow shit, horse shit or fuckin BULL SHIT! Happy Father’s Day guys, BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW OR HALF CASTE X Half caste? Fucking hell fire..... Sorry what’s your problem? This is a child of mixed race, what do you expect me to call them?
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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 21, 2020 9:09:29 GMT
Half caste? Fucking hell fire..... Sorry what’s your problem? This is a child of mixed race, what do you expect me to call them? From the sound of your earlier post, what we expect you to call them would get you banned.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 21, 2020 9:14:55 GMT
Half caste? Fucking hell fire..... Sorry what’s your problem? This is a child of mixed race, what do you expect me to call them? Why not call them children of mixed race? Or mixed ethnicity? Using a long outdated term (such as BJ's use of the slaver term Piccaninny) is just ignorant. Why go back to the term half cast that was used 60 years ago when the word ni**er was also a common word used to describe black people?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 9:18:48 GMT
Half caste? Fucking hell fire..... Sorry what’s your problem? This is a child of mixed race, what do you expect me to call them? My problem is you appear to be extremely ignorant. You know eastern Asians don’t have yellow faces as well?
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Post by steve66 on Jun 21, 2020 9:32:18 GMT
Sorry what’s your problem? This is a child of mixed race, what do you expect me to call them? My problem is you appear to be extremely ignorant. You know eastern Asians don’t have yellow faces as well? I’m trying get my point across, yes old school I suppose, but my whole point is ALL LIVES MATTER, if offended I apologise but still stick to the principle of op, I work with all nationalities, colours and the love of my life is shall I say none white, to those of you think my post is racial then read it again properly
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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 21, 2020 9:32:19 GMT
Sorry what’s your problem? This is a child of mixed race, what do you expect me to call them? Why not call them children of mixed race? Or mixed ethnicity? Using a long outdated term (such as BJ's use of the slaver term Piccaninny) is just ignorant. Why go back to the term half cast that was used 60 years ago when the word ni**er was also a common word used to describe black people? The criticism of Johnson for using the word piccaninny always seems a little unfair to me though. The context in which he used it was part of a criticism of Tony Blair (and even the Queen) for his 'white-saviour' complex: "What a relief it must be for Blair to get out of England. It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies" He's criticising/satirising empire and its view of those it used to rule over. It's never presented in that way though. All we hear is 'Boris calls black people piccaninnies'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 9:36:18 GMT
My problem is you appear to be extremely ignorant. You know eastern Asians don’t have yellow faces as well? I’m trying get my point across, yes old school I suppose, but my whole point is ALL LIVES MATTER, if offended I apologise but still stick to the principle of op, I work with all nationalities, colours and the love of my life is shall I say none white, to those of you think my post is racial then read it again properly “Old school” is not a defence. I’m fairly certain you don’t go up to your Indian colleagues and call them “half caste” and your Chinese colleagues “yellow” but if you do I suggest HR should get involved.....
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 21, 2020 9:38:10 GMT
Half caste? Fucking hell fire..... Sorry what’s your problem? This is a child of mixed race, what do you expect me to call them? Mixed ethnicity, dual heritage has been around for a while as a PC description.
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Post by steve66 on Jun 21, 2020 9:39:20 GMT
Sorry what’s your problem? This is a child of mixed race, what do you expect me to call them? Why not call them children of mixed race? Or mixed ethnicity? Using a long outdated term (such as BJ's use of the slaver term Piccaninny) is just ignorant. Why go back to the term half cast that was used 60 years ago when the word ni**er was also a common word used to describe black people? Sorry Lakeland, yes outdated use of words on my behalf I accept that but when we have protesters tearing down statues and protesting about one incident, and yes again I said it was wrong how GF was killed, they have brought up the past history and made the situation a million times worse in the manner of their protests, let the authorities deal with it!!! Protest peacefully not go looting stores, sit in the road and link arms!!
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Post by skip on Jun 21, 2020 9:49:50 GMT
This has nothing to do with the UK and even less to do with football.The fact this story and its official narrative have been promoted so much that within a couple weeks it can be easily agreed to happen in football tells me there's enormous manipulation going on. And I'm not comfortable with being played in this way. It's certainly not organic. Have people lost all sense of reason and critical thinking? It has nothing to do with improving black lives. BLM is corrupt, criminal, deceptive, subversive and divisive. Shove this taking the knee nonsense. It's an utter disgrace to have this at football. And to have a private, run-for-profit corporation monopolising the topic and debate. I'm tired of manipulated social media trends and agenda driven news attempting to shape my thoughts. It's disturbing to witness that people are more brainwashed than ever. This is mass mind control on the level of 30s Germany, and dissonant voices are quashed. It does if you're black. Therefore, either you're prepared to stand by them as a white person or you're not. And if you're not? You work it out.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 21, 2020 9:55:00 GMT
I’m fuckin sick of it all tbh, where are the protesters when black kills black? White kills white? Yellow kills yellow? Half caste kills half caste? ALL FUCKIN LIVES MATTER, I know the GF death wasn’t right but by all accounts GF was no angel, as for the pulling down of statues, slavery was legal in those days and we need to learn from that, quite a few “slaves” would actually of been glad to have a roof over their heads and food on their plate instead of living in a field full of cow shit, horse shit or fuckin BULL SHIT! Happy Father’s Day guys, BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW OR HALF CASTE X Half caste? Fucking hell fire..... And these people aren't racist, apparently.
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