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Post by lancer on Jun 20, 2020 17:09:00 GMT
Still plenty of racists about I see. Can't wait to see you Walking around with a logo on your tee shirt that says, 'White lives matter.'
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Post by wykepotter on Jun 20, 2020 17:09:14 GMT
Equality for black people is a horrible thing isn't it ya old ignorant racists Can I ask you a couple of questions? 1) is there a legitimate way of disagreeing with the politics and promotion of the BLM organisation/movement? Or is any questioning or dissent “racist”? 2) there are many black people who dislike and disagree with BLM and taking the knee. Are they also racist? Cheers I suppose the answer to that depends on what you’re questioning.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 20, 2020 17:10:10 GMT
I fully agree with the sentiment but disagree with the sligan and the use of the black power salute that is used by some. No one should be discriminated against but tearing down statues and vandalism has obstructed what could have been a great opportunity to educate. 10,000 people a year are killed by the police in the USA and 33 in 10 years in the UK. Still awful but nothing like the scale. This country made a lot of money from slavery but thankfully was also instrumental in stopping it. Education is the answer. I really don't understand this narrative mate. Surely it educates far more people when we stop glorifying racist historic figures? They were put up in a different era and history also reminds us of our mistakes. Students regularly visit the nazi death camps often at the invitation of Jewish people to learn the reality of racism. Explaining the roles those people with statues played would do far more than tearing them down. George Orwell wrote of changing history, burning books, doublespeak and 2 minute hate sessions. Look at North Korea to see how badly things go wrong with state censorship or rule by mob. We have differing views and through free speech can express those views, hopefully without animosity. If the BLM movement allows meaningful discussion then it will achieve far more than removing statues ever will.
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Post by andylgr on Jun 20, 2020 17:16:01 GMT
Still plenty of racists about I see. How does not agreeing with going down on one knee make you racist??? Because it’s the easiest card to play. Anyone who disagrees is a racist, that’s such a blinkered view IMO.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 20, 2020 17:18:35 GMT
What specifically is unequal about the “system”? Educational attainment, unemployment rates, average pay, home ownership, arrest levels, stop and search levels. If you’re black in Britain the colour of your skin is something that regularly affects all aspects of your life. Being white, rarely, if ever, is of any relevance. That’s evidence of disparity, not an unequal system. Action and reform is necessary but viewing it through the lens of a racist system is not going to help anybody. Also - and I almost hesitate to bring this up but it is relevant to your point - tell the thousands of white girls systematically tortured and abused in the UK over the last thirty years that being white is “rarely of any relevance”.
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Post by stantheman on Jun 20, 2020 17:18:38 GMT
Was today a one off?
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Post by sportsman on Jun 20, 2020 17:19:47 GMT
This BLM I think has put racism back about 30 odd years. You'll always get the odd nutter at any time any year. Things were progressing, now there's resentment all over social media from people who before this were probably very tolerant and relaxed and never thought anything of the sort. Yep. And the more people express dissent, the more “evidence” there will be that our society is riddled with racism, as this thread is demonstrating. We’re entering a terrible degenerative vicious circle. Bollocks. I'm not racist as majority of the country aren't, but looking all over social media and me personally am getting absolutely titsed off with it all. All lives matter and I'd be more for it, not mass gathering protesters in the middle of a pandemic I'd be more for it, not attacking and wanting to defund the police id be more for it, having the NHS badge as big as the black lives matter on the back of tops I'd be more for it. Etc......
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Post by flea79 on Jun 20, 2020 17:21:02 GMT
A very small minority of idiots have a problem with people’s skin colour or sexuality, the vast majority of us frankly don’t care as we understand these people are no different, by taking a knee it seems that we are treating them differently which is not what should happen, treat everybody equally and no issues is there
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 20, 2020 17:21:52 GMT
Yep. And the more people express dissent, the more “evidence” there will be that our society is riddled with racism, as this thread is demonstrating. We’re entering a terrible degenerative vicious circle. Bollocks. I'm not racist as majority of the country aren't, but looking all over social media and me personally am getting absolutely titsed off with it all. All lives matter and I'd be more for it, not mass gathering protesters in the middle of a pandemic I'd be more for it, not attacking and wanting to defund the police id be more for it, having the NHS badge as big as the black lives matter on the back of tops I'd be more for it. Etc...... We’re on the same page mate, that’s why I put “evidence” in scare quotes.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 20, 2020 17:23:35 GMT
How does not agreeing with going down on one knee make you racist??? Because it’s the easiest card to play. Anyone who disagrees is a racist, that’s such a blinkered view IMO. Anyone that says you're a racist when you disagree with the amount and timing of this whole thing and what they're really trying to achieve is an absolute bell end. People like that are creating division. Look at all social media from football fans. Many are saying they are done with their clubs if it keep up doing a this. Everyone agrees without dragging it on. The more you do something the more people get fed up of it. That does not make someone a racist.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 20, 2020 17:24:16 GMT
Bollocks. I'm not racist as majority of the country aren't, but looking all over social media and me personally am getting absolutely titsed off with it all. All lives matter and I'd be more for it, not mass gathering protesters in the middle of a pandemic I'd be more for it, not attacking and wanting to defund the police id be more for it, having the NHS badge as big as the black lives matter on the back of tops I'd be more for it. Etc...... We’re on the same page mate, that’s why I put “evidence” in scare quotes. Sorry mate 👍
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 20, 2020 17:28:27 GMT
Still plenty of racists about I see. Got to disagree with that. I lived with an Anglo Indian partner for 7 years and I can assure you that there are three or four times as many racists about as I thought there were before she moved in with me. I was absolutely gob smacked at the amount of racist comment I heard - some of it from people I had thought were friends.
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Post by backintheday on Jun 20, 2020 17:29:54 GMT
How does not agreeing with going down on one knee make you racist??? Because it’s the easiest card to play. Anyone who disagrees is a racist, that’s such a blinkered view IMO. Well said Taking the knee should be a voluntary gesture and not done under pressure for fear of being labelled as a racist because you don’t conform. The only way to beat racism in my opinion is by education and showing people the history of it and what impacts it has Had and in sometimes still has on society and he benefits of its necessary elimination to all races
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 20, 2020 17:31:24 GMT
Yes, sadly though it seems to have offended some.
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Post by lancer on Jun 20, 2020 17:35:47 GMT
Yes, sadly though it seems to have offended some. I used to hate racists and racism, but now I don't even know what the words really mean.Is everything racist now?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 20, 2020 17:36:22 GMT
Because it’s the easiest card to play. Anyone who disagrees is a racist, that’s such a blinkered view IMO. Well said Taking the knee should be a voluntary gesture and not done under pressure for fear of being labelled as a racist because you don’t conform. The only way to beat racism in my opinion is by education and showing people the history of it and what impacts it has Had and in sometimes still has on society and he benefits of its necessary elimination to all races We've been doing that for years and yet it's getting even worse. Activity is what drives change. "Every day, I'm standing outside trying to sing my way in: We are hungry, please let us in We are hungry, please let us in. After about a week that song is gonna change to: We hungry, we need some food. After two, three weeks, it's like: Give me the food Or I'm breaking down the door. After a year you're just like: I'm picking the lock. Coming through the door blasting."
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Post by backintheday on Jun 20, 2020 17:40:05 GMT
Well said Taking the knee should be a voluntary gesture and not done under pressure for fear of being labelled as a racist because you don’t conform. The only way to beat racism in my opinion is by education and showing people the history of it and what impacts it has Had and in sometimes still has on society and he benefits of its necessary elimination to all races We've been doing that for years and yet it's getting even worse. Activity is what drives change. "Every day, I'm standing outside trying to sing my way in: We are hungry, please let us in We are hungry, please let us in. After about a week that song is gonna change to: We hungry, we need some food. After two, three weeks, it's like: Give me the food Or I'm breaking down the door. After a year you're just like: I'm picking the lock. Coming through the door blasting." Graham I agree with you it appears to be getting worse but we must keep on trying to educate
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Post by loosestools on Jun 20, 2020 17:40:37 GMT
Ask the Indian lads in Walsall what they think about Eastern Europeans coming over here and taking their jobs - racism and hatred beyond your wildest imagination.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 20, 2020 17:43:52 GMT
Bye bye Stoke Took the knee....absolute bollocks Good. You'll not be missed.
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Post by chad on Jun 20, 2020 17:49:23 GMT
I’m not racist ( my wife is half Indian for a start ) but this whole thing now is completely out of hand. What the feck is taking the knee going to achieve And when we are even discussing not being able to sing Sweet Low Sweet Chariot the whole things got too silly
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 20, 2020 17:50:37 GMT
How does not agreeing with going down on one knee make you racist??? Because it’s the easiest card to play. Anyone who disagrees is a racist, that’s such a blinkered view IMO. Its not only the easiest cars to play. It is becoming frankly boring. There is a serious risk of underplaying the scale of the outrage of folk who are sick to death of being told how to think...what too say ....Having grown up debate stopped by one liners from people who are brainwashed one way are another. Dont fall into a trap of thinking its all right....just call the person who doesnt follow racist
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Jun 20, 2020 18:08:00 GMT
Sorry throwing you toys out of the cot, and threatening to leave the club you have supported for 40+ years because, because they took a symbolic stance against racism isn't having grown up debate. Its a really good sign that you have a big problem around race issues. People judge on what you do and what you say , and you acted and sounded like a racist c**t. Because it’s the easiest card to play. Anyone who disagrees is a racist, that’s such a blinkered view IMO. Its not only the easiest cars to play. It is becoming frankly boring. There is a serious risk of underplaying the scale of the outrage of folk who are sick to death of being told how to think...what too say ....Having grown up debate stopped by one liners from people who are brainwashed one way are another. Dont fall into a trap of thinking its all right....just call the person who doesnt follow racist
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Post by salopstick on Jun 20, 2020 18:11:51 GMT
It would be great if the FA, UEFA & FIFA started making real stances against racism
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 20, 2020 18:30:54 GMT
It would be great if the FA, UEFA & FIFA started making real stances against racism An excellent point..... its the manner of leniency that is wrong. Campaigns have been running for years now and yet we still minorities in all countries If we’re honest still spoiling it. We all know the answer which is points deductions and hefty ones at that, coupled with millions of euro’s fines. Just wish one of the big wigs would set an example, Im sure it would have a big impact
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jun 20, 2020 18:31:22 GMT
Football has had "Kick It Out" since 1993 hasn't it.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Jun 20, 2020 22:46:39 GMT
It would be great if the FA, UEFA & FIFA started making real stances against racism An excellent point..... its the manner of leniency that is wrong. Campaigns have been running for years now and yet we still minorities in all countries If we’re honest still spoiling it. We all know the answer which is points deductions and hefty ones at that, coupled with millions of euro’s fines. Just wish one of the big wigs would set an example, Im sure it would have a big impact Two posts completely missing the point, as well you know.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 20, 2020 22:59:25 GMT
Because it’s the easiest card to play. Anyone who disagrees is a racist, that’s such a blinkered view IMO. Well said Taking the knee should be a voluntary gesture and not done under pressure for fear of being labelled as a racist because you don’t conform. The only way to beat racism in my opinion is by education and showing people the history of it and what impacts it has Had and in sometimes still has on society and he benefits of its necessary elimination to all races Spot on. I’d imagine half the people that are taking the kneel don’t even know what’s behind it. Education and talking is the way forward. There has to be a long term plan. These grand gestures like the kneel and protesting don’t really achieve anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 23:22:53 GMT
Well said Taking the knee should be a voluntary gesture and not done under pressure for fear of being labelled as a racist because you don’t conform. The only way to beat racism in my opinion is by education and showing people the history of it and what impacts it has Had and in sometimes still has on society and he benefits of its necessary elimination to all races Spot on. I’d imagine half the people that are taking the kneel don’t even know what’s behind it. Education and talking is the way forward. There has to be a long term plan. These grand gestures like the kneel and protesting don’t really achieve anything. Absolutely education is one key factor, and footballers taking the knee lets more people see and hear what's going on. It's a good gesture as long as it isn't the end. Colonialism has to be taught properly in the UK education system, for a start.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jun 21, 2020 0:28:20 GMT
Taking the knee should be a voluntary gesture and not done under pressure for fear of being labelled as a racist because you don’t conform.The only way to beat racism in my opinion is by education and showing people the history of it and what impacts it has Had and in sometimes still has on society and he benefits of its necessary elimination to all races Imagine being the only one on the team not taking a knee, then imagine sponsors dropping you--it doesn't really matter what reason you have for not conforming. Drew Brees toed the line fairly quickly. There are no easy answers now, the cancel culture tastes blood everywhere. I would agree that if this is prolonged, it will lose whatever effectiveness it once had. Symbolic gestures may make you feel good, but unless you follow up with tangible actions, all you've really done is checked the box.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jun 21, 2020 0:29:23 GMT
Well said Taking the knee should be a voluntary gesture and not done under pressure for fear of being labelled as a racist because you don’t conform. The only way to beat racism in my opinion is by education and showing people the history of it and what impacts it has Had and in sometimes still has on society and he benefits of its necessary elimination to all races We've been doing that for years and yet it's getting even worse. Activity is what drives change. "Every day, I'm standing outside trying to sing my way in: We are hungry, please let us in We are hungry, please let us in. After about a week that song is gonna change to: We hungry, we need some food. After two, three weeks, it's like: Give me the food Or I'm breaking down the door. After a year you're just like: I'm picking the lock. Coming through the door blasting." Is that the sound of the Polish, Lituhainas, Latvians, Croatian, Slavs, Ukrainians, Irish, Bosnian, Romanians, Italians, Portuguese,???
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