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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2020 21:19:59 GMT
I think youโve misread my post mate ....Iโm very left wing but not liberal left wing As for history teaching us things, most wars are started by the rise of the far right ๐ Mussolini was leader on the national directorate of the Italian socialist Party before he founded the fascists. He used "blackshirt Street thugs" to beat up his opponents. Adolf Hitler of the national Socialist Party was inspired by Mussolini. He had his "brownshirts". Oswald Mosley was a key figure of the left wing Labour Party until he defected to set up the British Union of fascists. He too used "blackshirts". Antifa and many BLM protestors claim a revolutionary left wing mantle and dress up in black but have taken the madness one step further and wear black face masks. Brutus of the Roman Republic hacked Julias Caesar to death on the senate floor along with all other senators who hacked away. This gave rise to one of the most potent and dictatorship ridden empires of our time, The Roman Empire. Not quite sure how much more evidence anyone needs. The far left have nearly always knowingly or unknowingly given rise to the far right. I'm sorry you don't wanna hear it but it's just a fact no one can possibly deny. Sorry I forgot to add more modern day examples. See China, Russia, North Korea, Venezuela and Zimbabwe for more information ๐ 80% of that is pure twaddle. At least Stoke on Trent gave Mosely his marching orders in 1931, such a shame the same city fell for his Political soul mates divisive smoke and mirrors hate in 2019. I hope their grandparents and great grandparents haunt them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 21:25:42 GMT
Mussolini was leader on the national directorate of the Italian socialist Party before he founded the fascists. He used "blackshirt Street thugs" to beat up his opponents. Adolf Hitler of the national Socialist Party was inspired by Mussolini. He had his "brownshirts". Oswald Mosley was a key figure of the left wing Labour Party until he defected to set up the British Union of fascists. He too used "blackshirts". Antifa and many BLM protestors claim a revolutionary left wing mantle and dress up in black but have taken the madness one step further and wear black face masks. Brutus of the Roman Republic hacked Julias Caesar to death on the senate floor along with all other senators who hacked away. This gave rise to one of the most potent and dictatorship ridden empires of our time, The Roman Empire. Not quite sure how much more evidence anyone needs. The far left have nearly always knowingly or unknowingly given rise to the far right. I'm sorry you don't wanna hear it but it's just a fact no one can possibly deny. Sorry I forgot to add more modern day examples. See China, Russia, North Korea, Venezuela and Zimbabwe for more information ๐ 80% of that is pure twaddle. At least Stoke on Trent gave Mosely his marching orders in 1931, such a shame the same city fell for his Political soul mates divisive smoke and mirrors hate in 2019. I hope their grandparents and great grandparents haunt them. 80% thatโs generous fella......
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 21:25:46 GMT
Mussolini was leader on the national directorate of the Italian socialist Party before he founded the fascists. He used "blackshirt Street thugs" to beat up his opponents. Adolf Hitler of the national Socialist Party was inspired by Mussolini. He had his "brownshirts". Oswald Mosley was a key figure of the left wing Labour Party until he defected to set up the British Union of fascists. He too used "blackshirts". Antifa and many BLM protestors claim a revolutionary left wing mantle and dress up in black but have taken the madness one step further and wear black face masks. Brutus of the Roman Republic hacked Julias Caesar to death on the senate floor along with all other senators who hacked away. This gave rise to one of the most potent and dictatorship ridden empires of our time, The Roman Empire. Not quite sure how much more evidence anyone needs. The far left have nearly always knowingly or unknowingly given rise to the far right. I'm sorry you don't wanna hear it but it's just a fact no one can possibly deny. Sorry I forgot to add more modern day examples. See China, Russia, North Korea, Venezuela and Zimbabwe for more information ๐ 80% of that is pure twaddle. At least Stoke on Trent gave Mosely his marching orders in 1931, such a shame the same city fell for his Political soul mates divisive smoke and mirrors hate in 2019. I hope their grandparents and great grandparents haunt them. It's history not twaddle.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 21:26:31 GMT
80% of that is pure twaddle. At least Stoke on Trent gave Mosely his marching orders in 1931, such a shame the same city fell for his Political soul mates divisive smoke and mirrors hate in 2019. I hope their grandparents and great grandparents haunt them. 80% thatโs generous fella...... Which bit exactly do you disagree with?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 21:28:00 GMT
80% thatโs generous fella...... Which bit exactly do you disagree with? To start with the whole โHitler was a socialistโ rhetoric is a load of debunked horse shit.....
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Post by blackpoolred on Jun 18, 2020 21:29:01 GMT
I believe it was written by a slave and his words/song are heartfelt but not derogatory to anyone.
By this logic, we cannot listen to any music written by a black man.
I stuck my dick in her mouth is fine though
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 21:37:33 GMT
Which bit exactly do you disagree with? To start with the whole โHitler was a socialistโ rhetoric is a load of debunked horse shit..... The wording has completely gone over your head hasn't it. The whole point is around the far left giving rise to the far right. I don't understand why you're finding it so hard to understand. How many examples in history do you want? Here's a question I'd love to hear an answer from you on. Give me two names of countries that you believe have a hard far left government and that you think are successful, well run states?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 21:39:59 GMT
To start with the whole โHitler was a socialistโ rhetoric is a load of debunked horse shit..... The wording has completely gone over your head hasn't it. The whole point is around the far left giving rise to the far right. I don't understand why you're finding it so hard to understand. How many examples in history do you want? Here's a question I'd love to hear an answer from you on. Give me two names of countries that you believe have a hard far left government and that you think are successful, well run states? I have no idea what your definition of โhard far left is?โ Bearing in mind you think the hard left and liberal left are one and the same.....
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Post by starkiller on Jun 18, 2020 21:41:46 GMT
Will not help the life of one black person at all.
More proof that BLM is a scam organisation, with the aim of divide and rule.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 21:42:41 GMT
The wording has completely gone over your head hasn't it. The whole point is around the far left giving rise to the far right. I don't understand why you're finding it so hard to understand. How many examples in history do you want? Here's a question I'd love to hear an answer from you on. Give me two names of countries that you believe have a hard far left government and that you think are successful, well run states? I have no idea what your definition of โhard far left is?โ Bearing in mind you think the hard left and liberal left are one and the same..... Let's go with Corbyn left.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 21:46:29 GMT
I have no idea what your definition of โhard far left is?โ Bearing in mind you think the hard left and liberal left are one and the same..... Let's go with Corbyn left. Where does โCorbyn leftโ sit on the scale with hard left and liberal left then, you tell me?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 21:55:33 GMT
Let's go with Corbyn left. Where does โCorbyn leftโ sit on the scale with hard left and liberal left then, you tell me? You don't want to answer this question do you. It's a hard one isn't it. I'd say Corbyn was utterly non existent on economic policy (but for arguments sake hard left) , and socially Liberal left. How about a couple of examples of successful left wing governments that have implemented both left wing social policy and left wing economic policy? I'm not trying to catch you out I'm just curious because I never ever get a coherent answer on it from a left winger. Clearly there's just so few examples of successful left wing governments. I thought you'd at least go with "what about the nordics"! At which point I'd have corrected you on their incredibly capitalist economy ๐
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 22:03:00 GMT
Where does โCorbyn leftโ sit on the scale with hard left and liberal left then, you tell me? You don't want to answer this question do you. It's a hard one isn't it. I'd say Corbyn was utterly non existent on economic policy (but for arguments sake hard left) , and socially Liberal left. How about a couple of examples of successful left wing governments that have implemented both left wing social policy and left wing economic policy? I'm not trying to catch you out I'm just curious because I never ever get a coherent answer on it from a left winger. Clearly there's just so few examples of successful left wing governments. I thought you'd at least go with "what about the nordics"! At which point I'd have corrected you on their incredibly capitalist economy ๐ Youโre asking me a question that makes no sense? How can I give an example of a โhard leftโ government when I have no idea what your definition is? Corbyn certainly wasnโt โhard leftโ in my opinion, so why would I use him as an example of the โhard leftโ?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 18, 2020 22:03:23 GMT
We are creating a very divided, bitter, discontented society......in which there will be no winners amongst those that are disenfranchised, disheartened and struggling in the working class.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 22:05:32 GMT
You don't want to answer this question do you. It's a hard one isn't it. I'd say Corbyn was utterly non existent on economic policy (but for arguments sake hard left) , and socially Liberal left. How about a couple of examples of successful left wing governments that have implemented both left wing social policy and left wing economic policy? I'm not trying to catch you out I'm just curious because I never ever get a coherent answer on it from a left winger. Clearly there's just so few examples of successful left wing governments. I thought you'd at least go with "what about the nordics"! At which point I'd have corrected you on their incredibly capitalist economy ๐ Youโre asking me a question that makes no sense? How can I give an example of a โhard leftโ government when I have no idea what your definition is? Corbyn certainly wasnโt โhard leftโ in my opinion, so why would I use him as an example of the โhard leftโ Whether you definite some of the Nordic countries, or Portugal, or New Zealand as โsocialistโ or โdemocratic socialistโ or a combination of both, theyโre certainly enjoying popularity across their electorate at the moment.....
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 22:09:39 GMT
You don't want to answer this question do you. It's a hard one isn't it. I'd say Corbyn was utterly non existent on economic policy (but for arguments sake hard left) , and socially Liberal left. How about a couple of examples of successful left wing governments that have implemented both left wing social policy and left wing economic policy? I'm not trying to catch you out I'm just curious because I never ever get a coherent answer on it from a left winger. Clearly there's just so few examples of successful left wing governments. I thought you'd at least go with "what about the nordics"! At which point I'd have corrected you on their incredibly capitalist economy ๐ Youโre asking me a question that makes no sense? How can I give an example of a โhard leftโ government when I have no idea what your definition is? Corbyn certainly wasnโt โhard leftโ in my opinion, so why would I use him as an example of the โhard leftโ? Haha! Brilliant, you know exactly what the question is. To make it even easier why don't you give me an example of a successful hard left government that is "hard left" in your opinion? Forget my opinion on what hard left is because you'll keep throwing that back at me all night without answering the question ๐
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 22:12:40 GMT
Youโre asking me a question that makes no sense? How can I give an example of a โhard leftโ government when I have no idea what your definition is? Corbyn certainly wasnโt โhard leftโ in my opinion, so why would I use him as an example of the โhard leftโ? Haha! Brilliant, you know exactly what the question is. To make it even easier why don't you give me an example of a successful hard left government that is "hard left" in your opinion? Forget my opinion on what hard left is because you'll keep throwing that back at me all night without answering the question ๐ Why would I need to give you an example of a successful โhard leftโ government? I never mentioned the hard left, am not part of the hard left, nor have any desire to be. So whatโs the point of your question? To repeat you keep mentioning hard left, not me......
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 22:17:57 GMT
Youโre asking me a question that makes no sense? How can I give an example of a โhard leftโ government when I have no idea what your definition is? Corbyn certainly wasnโt โhard leftโ in my opinion, so why would I use him as an example of the โhard leftโ Whether you definite some of the Nordic countries, or Portugal, or New Zealand as โsocialistโ or โdemocratic socialistโ or a combination of both, theyโre certainly enjoying popularity across their electorate at the moment..... Fair enough and nice one for answering. Not quite sure i agree mind, wasn't the Portuguese president previously leader at the Conservative centre right social democratic party? Arden is a good one but I do think sticking her into UK government and she'd get eaten alive. New Zealand is just the most chilled out, motherfucker of a country and a very unique breed.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2020 22:18:09 GMT
Youโre asking me a question that makes no sense? How can I give an example of a โhard leftโ government when I have no idea what your definition is? Corbyn certainly wasnโt โhard leftโ in my opinion, so why would I use him as an example of the โhard leftโ? Haha! Brilliant, you know exactly what the question is. To make it even easier why don't you give me an example of a successful hard left government that is "hard left" in your opinion? Forget my opinion on what hard left is because you'll keep throwing that back at me all night without answering the question ๐ These are pointless terms but I'll play your game. Give me successful Moneterist, neo liberal, right wing Government. Was it Thatcher, where real unemployment was nearly 5 Million and a 'price worth paying'? Is it the last 10 years which has seen four million children fall into poverty? Was it Blair and where homelessness became a boom industry alongside blood curdling (and spilling) foreign policy?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 22:24:24 GMT
Whether you definite some of the Nordic countries, or Portugal, or New Zealand as โsocialistโ or โdemocratic socialistโ or a combination of both, theyโre certainly enjoying popularity across their electorate at the moment..... Fair enough and nice one for answering. Not quite sure i agree mind, wasn't the Portuguese president previously leader at the Conservative centre right social democratic party? Arden is a good one but I do think sticking her into UK government and she'd get eaten alive. New Zealand is just the most chilled out, motherfucker of a country and a very unique breed. And to add one last thing, you would also need to define a โsuccessful governmentโ. Because personally speaking I think we need to get away from simply using GDP as a tool for success and measure the health and well-being of our society as an indicator instead. With neoliberalism particularly the two donโt always go hand in hand.....
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 18, 2020 22:24:46 GMT
sorry cant be bothered to read through as too late and tired but my understanding of the song was that it was a negro spiritual song sung by slave gangs in america and was a way for them to communicate where and when they were going to escape and like a lot of the songs at the time were in code so that the gang masters did not know what was going on. its not a racist song but actually a freedom song a bit like the modern song "something inside so strong " If we are going to ban or stop these songs only being sung by the race etc who created it isn't this tantamount to racism on its own. its like saying memory should only be sung by a white women which is totally ridiculous.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 22:29:06 GMT
Haha! Brilliant, you know exactly what the question is. To make it even easier why don't you give me an example of a successful hard left government that is "hard left" in your opinion? Forget my opinion on what hard left is because you'll keep throwing that back at me all night without answering the question ๐ These are pointless terms but I'll play your game. Give me successful Moneterist, neo liberal, right wing Government. Was it Thatcher, where real unemployment was nearly 5 Million and a 'price worth paying'? Is it the last 10 years which has seen four million children fall into poverty? Was it Blair and where homelessness became a boom industry alongside blood curdling (and spilling) foreign policy? Haha! Oh come off it mate. Weren't you a Blair/Brown voter?! In addition to the UK (and yes we are one of the most successful economies in the world, with low unemployment, comparatively low poverty and will continue to be one of the most sought after nation's to live in) - what about the likes of Germany, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, Romania, Switzerland, Monaco, Malaysia, Singapore, UAE, Saudi... I dunno how many do you want? ๐ Btw for what it's worth I don't like the UAE or Saudi. Nasty bunch ๐
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 22:30:44 GMT
Fair enough and nice one for answering. Not quite sure i agree mind, wasn't the Portuguese president previously leader at the Conservative centre right social democratic party? Arden is a good one but I do think sticking her into UK government and she'd get eaten alive. New Zealand is just the most chilled out, motherfucker of a country and a very unique breed. And to add one last thing, you would also need to define a โsuccessful governmentโ. Because personally speaking I think we need to get away from simply using GDP as a tool for success and measure the health and well-being of our society as an indicator instead. With neoliberalism particularly the two donโt always go hand in hand..... Yeah measuring GDP is wrong. But surely measuring average salaries, employment rates, poverty rates are equally as important as measuring the happy life index?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2020 22:38:20 GMT
These are pointless terms but I'll play your game. Give me successful Moneterist, neo liberal, right wing Government. Was it Thatcher, where real unemployment was nearly 5 Million and a 'price worth paying'? Is it the last 10 years which has seen four million children fall into poverty? Was it Blair and where homelessness became a boom industry alongside blood curdling (and spilling) foreign policy? Haha! Oh come off it mate. Weren't you a Blair/Brown voter?! In addition to the UK (and yes we are one of the most successful economies in the world, with low unemployment, comparatively low poverty and will continue to be one of the most sought after nation's to live in) - what about the likes of Germany, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, Romania, Switzerland, Monaco, Malaysia, Singapore, UAE, Saudi... I dunno how many do you want? ๐ Btw for what it's worth I don't like the UAE or Saudi. Nasty bunch ๐ There you have it. Increased poverty, individualism, rampant greed, reduction in human and employment rights and widespread inequality. The mark of a successful Government.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 22:44:53 GMT
Haha! Oh come off it mate. Weren't you a Blair/Brown voter?! In addition to the UK (and yes we are one of the most successful economies in the world, with low unemployment, comparatively low poverty and will continue to be one of the most sought after nation's to live in) - what about the likes of Germany, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, Romania, Switzerland, Monaco, Malaysia, Singapore, UAE, Saudi... I dunno how many do you want? ๐ Btw for what it's worth I don't like the UAE or Saudi. Nasty bunch ๐ There you have it. Increased poverty, individualism, rampant greed, reduction in human and employment rights and widespread inequality. The mark of a successful Government. I mean that's pretty harsh to level at the vast majority of those countries. Many of them have the most exceptional levels of equality and high quality of life across majorities in the likes of Singapore, Germany and Netherlands is undeniable. They are unbelievably successful societies. Romania is the ultimate success story of the past 25 years, bursting out of harsh communist rule into capitalism and democracy. I do a lot of work out there and it's an incredibly fast developing country that has seriously stuck 2 fingers up to the left. If you want a lack of equality and frequent abuse of human rights you need to look at your socialist fuck ups like China, Russia and North Korea. A few billionaire elites presiding over a country that is literally starving. All 3 leaders are an utter disgrace.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 22:49:01 GMT
Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen!
As Billy Connolly once pointed out. Surely this should be banned. Racism towards Chris Iwelumo and Jock McClaren from Porridge
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2020 22:54:13 GMT
There you have it. Increased poverty, individualism, rampant greed, reduction in human and employment rights and widespread inequality. The mark of a successful Government. I mean that's pretty harsh to level at the vast majority of those countries. Many of them have the most exceptional levels of equality and high quality of life across majorities in the likes of Singapore, Germany and Netherlands is undeniable. They are unbelievably successful societies. Romania is the ultimate success story of the past 25 years, bursting out of harsh communist rule into capitalism and democracy. I do a lot of work out there and it's an incredibly fast developing country that has seriously stuck 2 fingers up to the left. If you want a lack of equality and frequent abuse of human rights you need to look at your socialist fuck ups like China, Russia and North Korea. A few billionaire elites presiding over a country that is literally starving. All 3 leaders are an utter disgrace. A third of under 30s in Romania are in poverty! In fact this country was explicitly mentioned by 'classic' Dom in 2016 as one of those we should be shitting ourselves about!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 23:00:10 GMT
I mean that's pretty harsh to level at the vast majority of those countries. Many of them have the most exceptional levels of equality and high quality of life across majorities in the likes of Singapore, Germany and Netherlands is undeniable. They are unbelievably successful societies. Romania is the ultimate success story of the past 25 years, bursting out of harsh communist rule into capitalism and democracy. I do a lot of work out there and it's an incredibly fast developing country that has seriously stuck 2 fingers up to the left. If you want a lack of equality and frequent abuse of human rights you need to look at your socialist fuck ups like China, Russia and North Korea. A few billionaire elites presiding over a country that is literally starving. All 3 leaders are an utter disgrace. A third of under 30s in Romania are in poverty! In fact this country was explicitly mentioned by 'classic' Dom in 2016 as one of those we should be shitting ourselves about! Surely you can see that Romania is far better off now than it was under communist rule and indeed even in the last 15 years? There is literally no evidence that doesn't back this up and it's one of Europe's big success stories. Its still a developing country so of course a good number are still in poverty but its no longer third world and rapidly becoming first world. A third in poverty is an astonishing achievement given it was 100% in poverty 30 years ago.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 19, 2020 3:37:59 GMT
Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen! As Billy Connolly once pointed out. Surely this should be banned. Racism towards Chris Iwelumo and Jock McClaren from Porridge That dirge needs binning anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 5:14:46 GMT
Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen! As Billy Connolly once pointed out. Surely this should be banned. Racism towards Chris Iwelumo and Jock McClaren from Porridge That dirge needs binning anyway. Very true I like The Grange Hill Theme although Tim Rice would have to write some words
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