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Post by thunderduck on Jun 18, 2020 18:36:48 GMT
Well he was an innocent guy who was murdered by a policeman, and his convictions were in the past and he has since become a father and seemed to be a responsible man who was targeted and then killed unlawfully. And using the term beautiful reinforces the emotion of the situation, one that is felt acutely by many people who fear the same may happen to them.
Also defund the police is a great movement, it's not saying no more laws, just that in America a lot of the times police with guns are called to deal with situations they are not trained to deal with (for example social workers are great at dealing with potentially violent situations because they are trained to, but police officers in America aren't), and American police forces are sort of mini-military units in cities funded far in relative excessive to any other public service. As they say, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. People feel that maybe the money spent on militarising the people that are meant to perform conflict resolution or public order would be better spent attacking the causes of poverty and crime, like poor access to public services and underfunded schools.
All I want to do is watch a game of football, why don't black lives matter hire the Bet365 stadium and start doing political rallies there. This way I can make my own personal choice whether I want to attend or not! Because in this kind of crisis it's important that people realise the wider implications of what's going on and what people are trying to say, and it starts conversation about it, and maybe goes someway to making people understand the severity of the situation. This stuff's been easy to ignore for so long, putting it right front centre of people might actually finally change something.
What I addressed above was with regards to America, but the way we handle race in the UK isn't all peace peace love either, and if more people recognise what's going on then it's at least a step in the right direction. You're welcome to just watch a game of football but football, society, and politics are intrinsically linked one way or another, and this is how it's manifesting itself at the moment
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 18, 2020 18:57:22 GMT
All I want to do is watch a game of football, why don't black lives matter hire the Bet365 stadium and start doing political rallies there. This way I can make my own personal choice whether I want to attend or not! The fact we are having to talk about all this instead of football is ridiculous. People want to watch football. It's a ridiculous as: 'Death Of Man By US Police Leads To Fawlty Towers Ban'Hysterical insanity. That would be a great point if the ban had lasted for more than the 48 hours that it did!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 19:09:38 GMT
In the same way that lobbyists paying money to politicians could be seen as corrupt I guess? These organisations don't usually donate money out of the goodness of their hearts, there's often an ulterior motive...... BLM started in the USA in opposition to the government and its racially biased Justice system. The President and the Republican Party are funded by (amongst others) the National Rifle Association. I fail to see how BLM are to campaign effectively against what clearly is a biased Police and Justice system if they don't have the support of major donors of their own. Are they supposed to say we can't compete with those who are oppressing us - so we won't bother campaigning and just be good little black boys and girls and accept whatever the police and the courts dish out to us? That sounds like a great recipe for change to a more equal system. What is BLM’s take on the black gangs killing each other in the UK and America? Why aren’t they vocal or protesting then? And I’m totally in the camp that racism is prevalent in society and needs stamping out by the way, I just think the issue is far more complex and involves many other socioeconomic factors......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 19:25:34 GMT
This coronavirus is the strangest virus I've ever heard of. It's very dangerous the way it spreads. It is so mysterious the way it lurks in schools, but then dies at B&Q. It is sneaky. It can spread when buying clothes at M&S but not at Tesco. It is non-alcoholic. It can't spread when you are buying beer. It lives for two days on Amazon boxes, you must wait 48 hours to touch them but It can't survive on takeaway coffee cups, so enjoying a hot cup of costa is safe. It is the most curious thing, how it lives on footballs, ballet bars, even loo seats but dies on WWE ropes. It is spread by hair stylists, dog groomers, and dentists, but not by bank tellers, cashiers, and fast food workers. It's so smart. It won’t bother the first 10 people but it knows when the 11th person shows up so be careful if that’s you. It even knows what you want vs what you need. If you want a massage or your nails done it is very actively on the prowl and not even a mask can stop it but If you need a plumber, it is weak, and a mask will keep it away. It also seems to be most dangerous after 5:30pm so businesses must start to close before the virus comes out and wreaks havoc upon the populations. Whoever heard of such a smart sneaky virus?!? Copy and Paste ! I did !
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 18, 2020 19:40:11 GMT
BLM started in the USA in opposition to the government and its racially biased Justice system. The President and the Republican Party are funded by (amongst others) the National Rifle Association. I fail to see how BLM are to campaign effectively against what clearly is a biased Police and Justice system if they don't have the support of major donors of their own. Are they supposed to say we can't compete with those who are oppressing us - so we won't bother campaigning and just be good little black boys and girls and accept whatever the police and the courts dish out to us? That sounds like a great recipe for change to a more equal system. What is BLM’s take on the black gangs killing each other in the UK and America? Why aren’t they vocal or protesting then? And I’m totally in the camp that racism is prevalent in society and needs stamping out by the way, I just think the issue is far more complex and involves many other socioeconomic factors...... I imagine that, like the majority of people, most BLM members are against black gangs killing each other. I bet they are also against white gangs killing each other as well. I don't know why you think that they should actively campaign for every cause they believe in. Some people give all their spare time to supporting donkey sanctuaries, others give just as much time to supporting the RNLI or child carers or any one of thousands of pressure groups and charities. I give to various charities and pressure groups like a lot of other people. But each of those groups, to be successful, needs some people who devote most of their time and effort to one cause nearest to their heart. That's the way the world is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 19:49:37 GMT
What is BLM’s take on the black gangs killing each other in the UK and America? Why aren’t they vocal or protesting then? And I’m totally in the camp that racism is prevalent in society and needs stamping out by the way, I just think the issue is far more complex and involves many other socioeconomic factors...... I imagine that, like the majority of people, most BLM members are against black gangs killing each other. I bet they are also against white gangs killing each other as well. I don't know why you think that they should actively campaign for every cause they believe in. Some people give all their spare time to supporting donkey sanctuaries, others give just as much time to supporting the RNLI or child carers or any one of thousands of pressure groups and charities. I give to various charities and pressure groups like a lot of other people. But each of those groups, to be successful, needs some people who devote most of their time and effort to one cause nearest to their heart. That's the way the world is. You imagine? You’d think it would be obvious considering the damming statistics on the issue. I’m genuinely a bit confused as to what the direction and ultimate aim of the organisation is?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 19:53:24 GMT
I imagine that, like the majority of people, most BLM members are against black gangs killing each other. I bet they are also against white gangs killing each other as well. I don't know why you think that they should actively campaign for every cause they believe in. Some people give all their spare time to supporting donkey sanctuaries, others give just as much time to supporting the RNLI or child carers or any one of thousands of pressure groups and charities. I give to various charities and pressure groups like a lot of other people. But each of those groups, to be successful, needs some people who devote most of their time and effort to one cause nearest to their heart. That's the way the world is. You imagine? You’d think it would be obvious considering the damming statistics on the issue. I’m genuinely a bit confused as to what the direction and ultimate aim of the organisation is? It's completely lost its direction and seems to be losing credibility and support faster than any movement of the past century.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 19:56:53 GMT
All I want to do is watch a game of football, why don't black lives matter hire the Bet365 stadium and start doing political rallies there. This way I can make my own personal choice whether I want to attend or not! Because in this kind of crisis it's important that people realise the wider implications of what's going on and what people are trying to say, and it starts conversation about it, and maybe goes someway to making people understand the severity of the situation. This stuff's been easy to ignore for so long, putting it right front centre of people might actually finally change something.
What I addressed above was with regards to America, but the way we handle race in the UK isn't all peace peace love either, and if more people recognise what's going on then it's at least a step in the right direction. You're welcome to just watch a game of football but football, society, and politics are intrinsically linked one way or another, and this is how it's manifesting itself at the moment
The cynical side of me is telling me you may have been sent to the oatcake by BLM extremists as a spy 🕵️♂️🧐 We are innocent, please leave us in peace! We don't want to be part of your violent, oppressive, hate filled, Marxist movement!
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Post by devondumpling on Jun 18, 2020 20:02:30 GMT
Football can pretty much fuck off after that sickening spectacle last night. Not content with turning it into a dick-swinging contest between oil tycoons, it's now has to be a souless, 1984 agitprop tool. BLM is a corrupt organisation whose beliefs and practices I fundamentally disagree with. This political organisation has no rights to have a monopoly over the thoughts of football supporters. And who wants to watch Black Lives Matter cross to Black Lives Matter to set up Black Lives Matter who then sidefoots it past Black Lives Matter? It's gone too far this time. Compulsory kneeling. If there was a crowd in, it deserves all of the piss taking sent its way. Or will they be removed for having a contrary opinion? Or maybe for using humorous banter. Absolutely fucking pathetic. Exactly what do you feel about BLM as an organisation is corrupt? I tend to mistrust any potentially libellous statement, if the person who makes it doesn't back it up with either proof or some pretty convincing reasons to back the statement up. BLM UK It claims to be committed to “dismantling imperialism, capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people.”
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 18, 2020 20:39:36 GMT
I imagine that, like the majority of people, most BLM members are against black gangs killing each other. I bet they are also against white gangs killing each other as well. I don't know why you think that they should actively campaign for every cause they believe in. Some people give all their spare time to supporting donkey sanctuaries, others give just as much time to supporting the RNLI or child carers or any one of thousands of pressure groups and charities. I give to various charities and pressure groups like a lot of other people. But each of those groups, to be successful, needs some people who devote most of their time and effort to one cause nearest to their heart. That's the way the world is. You imagine? You’d think it would be obvious considering the damming statistics on the issue. I’m genuinely a bit confused as to what the direction and ultimate aim of the organisation is? Blimey, you appear to have changed track. Have they mentioned they are also against anti semitism now as well?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 20:47:51 GMT
You imagine? You’d think it would be obvious considering the damming statistics on the issue. I’m genuinely a bit confused as to what the direction and ultimate aim of the organisation is? Blimey, you appear to have changed track. Have they mentioned they are also against anti semitism now as well? How have I changed track? I’ve made my position perfectly clear. Racism is abhorrent, its prevalent in society and it needs to be stamped out. But holding up BLM# placards and quoting meaningless platitudes won’t change things. A frank debate about the socioeconomic issues that are intertwined with racism is what is required, and that involves looking at our education system, poverty, single parent families, gang culture and a myriad of other things. A radical change in our toxic media, and our political system is what’s required to confide racism to the annals of history. I’m not sure I get your antisemitism reference?
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Post by salopstick on Jun 18, 2020 21:04:52 GMT
BLM started in the USA in opposition to the government and its racially biased Justice system. The President and the Republican Party are funded by (amongst others) the National Rifle Association. I fail to see how BLM are to campaign effectively against what clearly is a biased Police and Justice system if they don't have the support of major donors of their own. Are they supposed to say we can't compete with those who are oppressing us - so we won't bother campaigning and just be good little black boys and girls and accept whatever the police and the courts dish out to us? That sounds like a great recipe for change to a more equal system. What is BLM’s take on the black gangs killing each other in the UK and America? Why aren’t they vocal or protesting then? And I’m totally in the camp that racism is prevalent in society and needs stamping out by the way, I just think the issue is far more complex and involves many other socioeconomic factors...... Blacks killing other blacks is a message BLM conveniently ignores. It’s basic aim is to stop racism of blacks from the white people and re-elevate the black people socially and economically which in itself is fair and very admirable. It can’t do that if it starts by criticising its own members and the very same black people it claims it’s fighting for. This makes them very hypocritical and loses them support. It doesn’t help when their protests stem mini riots also
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 21:05:32 GMT
Also a loss of terraces, new all seater football stadiums without a soul (Man City & West Ham). Gambling problems in sport and advertising. Over paid players and retired players still making a big buck (Gary Lineker & Rio Ferdinand) Over paid players talking about mental health, try being on a zero hour contract at a Stoke distribution centre, lets see if you can do that on a Tuesday 10pm to 6am shift? Sky Sports and BT Sports, its live and the annoying music. Does anyone else feel so detached from the beautiful game and what used to be a simple experience of paying on the gate, watching from the terrace on a Saturday or a mid week game to being beat over the head with 'worthy causes'? Annoying surveys on what my sexual orientation is and inclusivity. Im on the precipice of cancelling both my SKY and BT sports channels and if I felt like it even my season ticket for the next season, its becoming a total hassle where I feel Im beating over the ahead with cultural agendas. I just simply want to watch the beautiful game played by players of any creed. You know what, you're absolutely on the mark here. Says exactly what I've been feeling - I feel almost 0 desire to be involved with it and not just because stoke are shit. Yesterday, fucking kneeling and BLM on everyones backs, VAR, plastic fucking fans on the big screen celebrating, crowd noise - fuck it off. That BT sport presenter who was on CBBC, hes about as far removed from the roots of the game as any cunt ever. Now I've got to suffer Rashford being sucked off by every twat and his dog for pushing for 'free' meals. It's not fucking free it's coming out of my wages and its not the role of the state. Speak out against *any* of that and the rabid mob will have you for not being virtuous...
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Post by thunderduck on Jun 18, 2020 21:06:03 GMT
Because in this kind of crisis it's important that people realise the wider implications of what's going on and what people are trying to say, and it starts conversation about it, and maybe goes someway to making people understand the severity of the situation. This stuff's been easy to ignore for so long, putting it right front centre of people might actually finally change something.
What I addressed above was with regards to America, but the way we handle race in the UK isn't all peace peace love either, and if more people recognise what's going on then it's at least a step in the right direction. You're welcome to just watch a game of football but football, society, and politics are intrinsically linked one way or another, and this is how it's manifesting itself at the moment
The cynical side of me is telling me you may have been sent to the oatcake by BLM extremists as a spy 🕵️♂️🧐 We are innocent, please leave us in peace! We don't want to be part of your violent, oppressive, hate filled, Marxist movement! Yeah you sussed me I'm on Soros' payroll, just like you're on Trump's
Just trying to provide an alternate voice, it's gets a bit like an echo chamber on here sometimes and it's not fair on people who are trying to do some good in the world
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 21:23:10 GMT
How have I changed track? I’ve made my position perfectly clear. Racism is abhorrent, its prevalent in society and it needs to be stamped out. But holding up BLM# placards and quoting meaningless platitudes won’t change things. A frank debate about the socioeconomic issues that are intertwined with racism is what is required, and that involves looking at our education system, poverty, single parent families, gang culture and a myriad of other things. A radical change in our toxic media, and our political system is what’s required to confide racism to the annals of history. I’m not sure I get your antisemitism reference? You seem to believe that everything can be solved with politics, to you it's simply a choice between conservatism and socialism. It isn't, most countries throughout the world and every race have the same party politics. You think you have all the answers (they are all over this board, thousands of them) but you have never once been a victim of racial abuse, you have never and will never know what that is like. BLM is exactly what it says on the tin, in transcends politics and is humanism at it's core. As for antisemitism, it isn't hard to see what you are. Half of my family are Burmese, my mum and her brothers grew up in Tunstall being called a “Paki”. Me and my cousins were also by default called “Pakis” at times growing up. So you haven’t got a fucking clue what you’re talking about. And if you’re openly calling me an antisemitise, I suggest you post the evidence right here and now or withdraw. And sharpish......
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 18, 2020 21:36:04 GMT
Perhaps next week all the footballers can have the name of a girl assaulted in Rotherham on their back?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 21:41:39 GMT
You seem to believe that everything can be solved with politics, to you it's simply a choice between conservatism and socialism. It isn't, most countries throughout the world and every race have the same party politics. You think you have all the answers (they are all over this board, thousands of them) but you have never once been a victim of racial abuse, you have never and will never know what that is like. BLM is exactly what it says on the tin, in transcends politics and is humanism at it's core. As for antisemitism, it isn't hard to see what you are. Half of my family are Burmese, my mum and her brothers grew up in Tunstall being called a “Paki”. Me and my cousins were also by default called “Pakis” at times growing up. So you haven’t got a fucking clue what you’re talking about. And if you’re openly calling me an antisemitise, I suggest you post the evidence right here and now or withdraw. And sharpish...... Tick tock. Don’t be shy now.....
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 18, 2020 21:55:31 GMT
I didnt think it would be so obvious but BLM really is a fucked up movement. I just checked out the website and literally the main headline on the front page is "Defund the police" while referring to George Floyd as "beautiful". He'd been in prison more times than the left lose elections and held a gun to a pregnant black lady. In what shape or form was this guy "beautiful"? We live in a seriously messed up age. Well he was an innocent guy who was murdered by a policeman, and his convictions were in the past and he has since become a father and seemed to be a responsible man who was targeted and then killed unlawfully. And using the term beautiful reinforces the emotion of the situation, one that is felt acutely by many people who fear the same may happen to them.
Also defund the police is a great movement, it's not saying no more laws, just that in America a lot of the times police with guns are called to deal with situations they are not trained to deal with (for example social workers are great at dealing with potentially violent situations because they are trained to, but police officers in America aren't), and American police forces are sort of mini-military units in cities funded far in relative excessive to any other public service. As they say, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. People feel that maybe the money spent on militarising the people that are meant to perform conflict resolution or public order would be better spent attacking the causes of poverty and crime, like poor access to public services and underfunded schools.
Are you for real.....People die every day....This day was Georges . I would feel more empathy with 99.9999%;of all the other poor soled who died on that day
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Post by scfconnor on Jun 18, 2020 22:06:18 GMT
Was going to respond to the topic until I got to the post about Jewish Marxists controlling the media.
Yeah, I'm out
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Post by thunderduck on Jun 18, 2020 22:17:19 GMT
Well he was an innocent guy who was murdered by a policeman, and his convictions were in the past and he has since become a father and seemed to be a responsible man who was targeted and then killed unlawfully. And using the term beautiful reinforces the emotion of the situation, one that is felt acutely by many people who fear the same may happen to them.
Also defund the police is a great movement, it's not saying no more laws, just that in America a lot of the times police with guns are called to deal with situations they are not trained to deal with (for example social workers are great at dealing with potentially violent situations because they are trained to, but police officers in America aren't), and American police forces are sort of mini-military units in cities funded far in relative excessive to any other public service. As they say, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. People feel that maybe the money spent on militarising the people that are meant to perform conflict resolution or public order would be better spent attacking the causes of poverty and crime, like poor access to public services and underfunded schools.
Are you for real.....People die every day....This day was Georges . I would feel more empathy with 99.9999%;of all the other poor soled who died on that day I am, they do, it shouldn't have had to have been, and I also feel empathy for them because unnecessary death is bad
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 22:34:17 GMT
Was going to respond to the topic until I got to the post about Jewish Marxists controlling the media. Yeah, I'm out Poor old Harpo
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 19, 2020 6:32:16 GMT
I had my last post taken down which tells me our Left wing champagne socialist owner will support politicising our club....He of course wont be on his own and has he has the money to make his gestures--' mine comes through graft (and always has) . If my club for 50 years decides to "take the knee" on Saturday i will be forever lost to Stoke City...Politics has no part to play in sport....In a Country as tolerant as this one it breaks my heart to see it being torn apart over a vicious thug of a man from the States killed by a neanderthal copper. I honestly dont want to fall out with anyone on this website...i know how divisive this issue is . toodlepip
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Post by starkiller on Jun 19, 2020 7:03:27 GMT
I didnt think it would be so obvious but BLM really is a fucked up movement. I just checked out the website and literally the main headline on the front page is "Defund the police" while referring to George Floyd as "beautiful". He'd been in prison more times than the left lose elections and held a gun to a pregnant black lady. In what shape or form was this guy "beautiful"? We live in a seriously messed up age. Well he was an innocent guy who was murdered by a policeman, and his convictions were in the past and he has since become a father and seemed to be a responsible man who was targeted and then killed unlawfully. And using the term beautiful reinforces the emotion of the situation, one that is felt acutely by many people who fear the same may happen to them.
Also defund the police is a great movement, it's not saying no more laws, just that in America a lot of the times police with guns are called to deal with situations they are not trained to deal with (for example social workers are great at dealing with potentially violent situations because they are trained to, but police officers in America aren't), and American police forces are sort of mini-military units in cities funded far in relative excessive to any other public service. As they say, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. People feel that maybe the money spent on militarising the people that are meant to perform conflict resolution or public order would be better spent attacking the causes of poverty and crime, like poor access to public services and underfunded schools.
We will get more militarised police as a result of the agenda of deliberately antagonistic organisations such as BLM. You are being played. Get this insidious company out of football. No-one in this situation should be killed by a copper, but he was carrying/dealing class A drugs, likely under the influence of them, and using fake currency. Is that what you mean by 'innocent'? George Floyd has fuck all to do with the UK, and fuck all to do with football. And, actually, fuck all to do with racism. It's beyond insanity that this nonsense is everywhere because of a controlled news-media agenda. There's umpteen snuff movies everyday they could have used for viral main headlines.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 19, 2020 8:44:02 GMT
Was going to respond to the topic until I got to the post about Jewish Marxists controlling the media. Yeah, I'm out this just shows the level of brainwashing going on......Unbelievable!!! rewind to 1930s Germany going on here and now Where is this stuff coming from that's what I want to know know? someone is stirring this up somewhere?
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 19, 2020 9:00:46 GMT
What is BLM’s take on the black gangs killing each other in the UK and America? Why aren’t they vocal or protesting then? And I’m totally in the camp that racism is prevalent in society and needs stamping out by the way, I just think the issue is far more complex and involves many other socioeconomic factors...... Blacks killing other blacks is a message BLM conveniently ignores. It’s basic aim is to stop racism of blacks from the white people and re-elevate the black people socially and economically which in itself is fair and very admirable. It can’t do that if it starts by criticising its own members and the very same black people it claims it’s fighting for. This makes them very hypocritical and loses them support. It doesn’t help when their protests stem mini riots also This hypocritical point is totally misguided tbh Are we saying that an organisation is only legitimate if its members are all angels? There are criminals in the Conservative Party and the Labour Party and any other organisation you can mentions but that doesn't mean that everything they say or do is therefore not legitimate and is therefore hypocritical. Otherwise no-one can have any legitimacy. How do you know that BLM don't deal will these issue internally anyway? and as for the bigger picture, BLM exists for entirely all the reasons we see on this forum. The prejudicial attitudes directed towards a specific group of people based on 400 years of colonial enslavement. Everyone has grown up in this country thinking it is acceptable. the first and important step is to acknowledge this. I don't understand the fear of this. For myself, I cant believe that I am not to some degree racist, it was the culture I grew up in. I want to see everyone as equals that is my aspiration, but I don't believe I can just deny or pretend that the culture I grew up in with all its prejudices has not effected me. It's all learning imho This whole countries wealth is based on colonialism, i.e.exploitative capitalism and that's the problem, the media who are protective have capitalism stir up this racism (see Daily Mail today -alarmist stories with no basis to mobilise against anti-racism) Our working classes have also been victims of this exploitative capitalism based on colonialism, they were also made to serve it. We (w/c) should be the first to recognise this. But white working classes, as has always been the case, are being brainwashed into believing that their enemies are the ones they have most in common with. Every organisation attracts bad eggs...doesn't mean the organisation should not exist ...otherwise there would be no organisations in this world.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 19, 2020 9:03:11 GMT
Was going to respond to the topic until I got to the post about Jewish Marxists controlling the media. Yeah, I'm out this just shows the level of brainwashing going on......Unbelievable!!! rewind to 1930s Germany going on here and now Where is this stuff coming from that's what I want to know know? someone is stirring this up somewhere? The Labour Party?
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 19, 2020 9:05:43 GMT
this just shows the level of brainwashing going on......Unbelievable!!! rewind to 1930s Germany going on here and now Where is this stuff coming from that's what I want to know know? someone is stirring this up somewhere? The Labour Party? you can believe that if it's convenient for you.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 19, 2020 9:11:05 GMT
Blacks killing other blacks is a message BLM conveniently ignores. It’s basic aim is to stop racism of blacks from the white people and re-elevate the black people socially and economically which in itself is fair and very admirable. It can’t do that if it starts by criticising its own members and the very same black people it claims it’s fighting for. This makes them very hypocritical and loses them support. It doesn’t help when their protests stem mini riots also This hypocritical point is totally misguided tbh Are we saying that an organisation is only legitimate if its members are all angels? There are criminals in the Conservative Party and the Labour Party and any other organisation you can mentions but that doesn't mean that everything they say or do is therefore not legitimate and is therefore hypocritical. Otherwise no-one can have any legitimacy. How do you know that BLM don't deal will these issue internally anyway? and as for the bigger picture, BLM exists for entirely all the reasons we see on this forum. The prejudicial attitudes directed towards a specific group of people based on 400 years of colonial enslavement. Everyone has grown up in this country thinking it is acceptable. the first and important step is to acknowledge this. I don't understand the fear of this. For myself, I cant believe that I am not to some degree racist, it was the culture I grew up in. I want to see everyone as equals that is my aspiration, but I don't believe I can just deny or pretend that the culture I grew up in with all its prejudices has not effected me. It's all learning imho This whole countries wealth is based on colonialism, i.e.exploitative capitalism and that's the problem, the media who are protective have capitalism stir up this racism (see Daily Mail today -alarmist stories with no basis to mobilise against anti-racism) Our working classes have also been victims of this exploitative capitalism based on colonialism, they were also made to serve it. We (w/c) should be the first to recognise this. But white working classes, as has always been the case, are being brainwashed into believing that their enemies are the ones they have most in common with. No but acknowledging and actively campaigning to end. the black on black violence which is much more prevalent. It Would give them more legitimacy in lots of eyes and would give them far more support for their other core messages. At the moment they are seen By some as a left wing protest anarchic group intent on violence. Due to some unsavoury characters amongst their members.and this cannot be good for the organisation or the message.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 19, 2020 9:16:17 GMT
Blacks killing other blacks is a message BLM conveniently ignores. It’s basic aim is to stop racism of blacks from the white people and re-elevate the black people socially and economically which in itself is fair and very admirable. It can’t do that if it starts by criticising its own members and the very same black people it claims it’s fighting for. This makes them very hypocritical and loses them support. It doesn’t help when their protests stem mini riots also This hypocritical point is totally misguided tbh Are we saying that an organisation is only legitimate if its members are all angels? There are criminals in the Conservative Party and the Labour Party and any other organisation you can mentions but that doesn't mean that everything they say or do is therefore not legitimate and is therefore hypocritical. Otherwise no-one can have any legitimacy. How do you know that BLM don't deal will these issue internally anyway? and as for the bigger picture, BLM exists for entirely all the reasons we see on this forum. The prejudicial attitudes directed towards a specific group of people based on 400 years of colonial enslavement. Everyone has grown up in this country thinking it is acceptable. the first and important step is to acknowledge this. I don't understand the fear of this. For myself, I cant believe that I am not to some degree racist, it was the culture I grew up in. I want to see everyone as equals that is my aspiration, but I don't believe I can just deny or pretend that the culture I grew up in with all its prejudices has not effected me. It's all learning imho This whole countries wealth is based on colonialism, i.e.exploitative capitalism and that's the problem, the media who are protective have capitalism stir up this racism (see Daily Mail today -alarmist stories with no basis to mobilise against anti-racism) Our working classes have also been victims of this exploitative capitalism based on colonialism, they were also made to serve it. We (w/c) should be the first to recognise this. But white working classes, as has always been the case, are being brainwashed into believing that their enemies are the ones they have most in common with. Every organisation attracts bad eggs...doesn't mean the organisation should not exist ...otherwise there would be no organisations in this world. When is this tax-exempt, profit-driven corporation going to be stumping up for all of the millions of pounds worth of criminal damage it has caused? Or is it down to us taxpayers to pay, whilst bending the knee?
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Post by thunderduck on Jun 19, 2020 10:05:36 GMT
Well he was an innocent guy who was murdered by a policeman, and his convictions were in the past and he has since become a father and seemed to be a responsible man who was targeted and then killed unlawfully. And using the term beautiful reinforces the emotion of the situation, one that is felt acutely by many people who fear the same may happen to them.
Also defund the police is a great movement, it's not saying no more laws, just that in America a lot of the times police with guns are called to deal with situations they are not trained to deal with (for example social workers are great at dealing with potentially violent situations because they are trained to, but police officers in America aren't), and American police forces are sort of mini-military units in cities funded far in relative excessive to any other public service. As they say, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. People feel that maybe the money spent on militarising the people that are meant to perform conflict resolution or public order would be better spent attacking the causes of poverty and crime, like poor access to public services and underfunded schools.
We will get more militarised police as a result of the agenda of deliberately antagonistic organisations such as BLM. You are being played. Get this insidious company out of football. No-one in this situation should be killed by a copper, but he was carrying/dealing class A drugs, likely under the influence of them, and using fake currency. Is that what you mean by 'innocent'? George Floyd has fuck all to do with the UK, and fuck all to do with football. And, actually, fuck all to do with racism. It's beyond insanity that this nonsense is everywhere because of a controlled news-media agenda. There's umpteen snuff movies everyday they could have used for viral main headlines. Yeah you're right, the best way to deal with people's concerns is to fire tear gas at them, what innovative insights. You seem to think that BLM is some kind of terrorist organisation when it clearly isn't, just because you've not done your research doesn't mean I'm being played. Also none of that about George Floyd is true, stop clutching at straws to avoid having a serious conversation. If you're willing to listen to the arguments being made about systemic racism, postcolonialism, and the construct of race without getting triggered I'm happy to continue this conversation, but if you're talking about a controlled news media to justify why you don't want to care about other people's struggles then maybe it's something you really don't want to listen to, and you just want to get offended for the sake of it.
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