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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 18, 2020 12:45:11 GMT
Also Jamie Carragher spitting in quite a viscious manner from his Range Rover after commentating at a game and not being sacked by Sky, if he was being wound up he simply could have turned off at a junction and waited and called the Police if necessary. Countless footballers supporting remain and just getting political Gary 'fucking' Lineker. Clapping for Cyril Regis, he never even played for us. Mark Stein a Stoke legend, a footballing God in my book and a joy to watch will they be clapping him at the Ricoh or what ever that stadium cluster fuck outsourcing stadium sponsoring and renaming shit show has become. But you are bringing up searches at away games, not being touched up entering your own stadium in an obtrusive way! OK the FA Cup and semi finals being played at Wembley, renaming the cup and the later kick offs. Football League to me is Sunday at 1.30pm and F.A. Cup is the final Saturday of the season at 3pm. I suggest you give up on the game then. If you dislike it so much walk away. It's acceptable not to do something you hate so much. His choice--- not dissimilar to mine --- I am just waiting for Stoke player to take the knee and my priviledged white arse is off--- 50 years a supporter or not
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 18, 2020 12:47:09 GMT
The worst of the lot is Jon snow on Channel four news absolute disgrace Yeah we don't want people who ask questions. No problem with people asking questions but the job of the news is to ask questions from a neutral perspective not to give opinions And allow people to make there own minds up Rather than putting a preconceived slant on news items
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 18, 2020 12:48:57 GMT
Dude don't you just want to have 90 minutes of watching a sport you love free of this stuff? We see it every single minute of every day, surely we can have just a tiny tiny bit of our day where we aren't meant to feel like some horrible evil straight white man? Life's too short, let's not ruin the innocent aspects of life that we love in order "to be seen" to be doing good. The reality is most of these celebs are doing very little (hence Rashford's work was refreshing) in the way of physically acting in the community off their own back be it via helping black youths with gang violence or with youth clubs, volunteering with mental health or drug abusers. That's real life shit and surely more valuable than taking the knee on SKY or posting black squares on Instagram to get your PR ratings up. 1. From one straight white man to another, nobody is trying to make you feel evil. All it is - I want women, black people, brown people, gay people etc. to be just as welcome at the footy as you and me are. It's a beautiful game and it's for everyone, or it should be. 2. Nobody's perfect and people make mistakes. Poorly chosen words might accidentally imply that it's only "black youths" that might need help with gang violence. I don't give a flying fig what colour you are -- what tendencies you have … I do get a littled pissed off though at having all this shoved down my neck …. just watch the nogger me and cuss at the away fans
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 18, 2020 12:50:17 GMT
Maybe a lack of class some three months later when Ray Wilkins passed, an FA Cup winner and England international or did we clap for him I can’t remember it was the relegation season and by then I was at the game but wasn’t. They did the same for Wilkins, perhaps you were still in the pub? Class again I get your essential point that football is an escape from the outside world so can we stop having issues (even ones we agree with) 'rammed down our throats'. However I think Stoke are 100% correct to honour class players (& proper gents) like Wilkins and Regis like they do. searches are just a box ticking exercise... how else can a Neanderthal bring in a flare?
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 18, 2020 12:54:52 GMT
Yep really good post. No one is denying they are good causes but we are literally getting this stuff rammed down our throat 24/7 by the media and practically every millionaire celebrity. Can't we just watch a game of footy with a beer and not have to feel like like its some elitest politicised bullshit making us feel guilty for crimes the ordinary footy fan hasn't committed. Football has been becoming sterile for a few years now and this is the icing on the cake. No fans, woke actions and a bunch of elite millionaire twats like Linekar telling us what to do. I give you the BBC 10.00 3 main stories---- return of football --- turned it in to a story about BLM CORONAVIRUS --- turned it into a story about BAME BLM --- well here was another dose of propaganda aimed at my white priviledged arse Today will be no different than tomorrow...…………………………….
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 13:29:09 GMT
I have no objection to a Stoke player taking a knee and supporting anti racist campaigns.
Just doing it when walking out of the tunnel for kick off or during the game is politicising football.
If they want to take a knee do it after the game with members of the opposing team in the centre circle in your own time and post it on your twitter and instagram accounts.
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Post by stantheman on Jun 18, 2020 14:30:10 GMT
I have no objection to a Stoke player taking a knee and supporting anti racist campaigns. Just doing it when walking out of the tunnel for kick off or during the game is politicising football. If they want to take a knee do it after the game with members of the opposing team in the centre circle in your own time and post it on your twitter and instagram accounts. 100% agree. Players are being made to do something that they may not necessarily agree with, for fear of being lambasted if they don't.
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Post by AlliG on Jun 18, 2020 16:25:36 GMT
I have no objection to a Stoke player taking a knee and supporting anti racist campaigns. Just doing it when walking out of the tunnel for kick off or during the game is politicising football. If they want to take a knee do it after the game with members of the opposing team in the centre circle in your own time and post it on your twitter and instagram accounts. i.e. Do it when no one is watching, which rather defeats the point?
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Post by starkiller on Jun 18, 2020 16:29:03 GMT
Football can pretty much fuck off after that sickening spectacle last night.
Not content with turning it into a dick-swinging contest between oil tycoons, it's now has to be a souless, 1984 agitprop tool.
BLM is a corrupt organisation whose beliefs and practices I fundamentally disagree with. This political organisation has no rights to have a monopoly over the thoughts of football supporters.
And who wants to watch Black Lives Matter cross to Black Lives Matter to set up Black Lives Matter who then sidefoots it past Black Lives Matter?
It's gone too far this time. Compulsory kneeling. If there was a crowd in, it deserves all of the piss taking sent its way. Or will they be removed for having a contrary opinion? Or maybe for using humorous banter.
Absolutely fucking pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 16:38:06 GMT
I suggest you give up on the game then. If you dislike it so much walk away. It's acceptable not to do something you hate so much. His choice--- not dissimilar to mine --- I am just waiting for Stoke player to take the knee and my priviledged white arse is off--- 50 years a supporter or not I think Saturday might be your last ever day as a Stoke fan then fella as both teams will be doing it I have no doubt....
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Post by starkiller on Jun 18, 2020 16:40:31 GMT
I have no objection to a Stoke player taking a knee and supporting anti racist campaigns. Just doing it when walking out of the tunnel for kick off or during the game is politicising football. If they want to take a knee do it after the game with members of the opposing team in the centre circle in your own time and post it on your twitter and instagram accounts. i.e. Do it when no one is watching, which rather defeats the point? Better still, just play the goddamn game.
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Post by AlliG on Jun 18, 2020 16:47:26 GMT
i.e. Do it when no one is watching, which rather defeats the point? Better still, just play the goddamn game. It lasted less than 10 seconds. How can anyone object to that?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 18, 2020 16:49:48 GMT
Football can pretty much fuck off after that sickening spectacle last night. Not content with turning it into a dick-swinging contest between oil tycoons, it's now has to be a souless, 1984 agitprop tool. BLM is a corrupt organisation whose beliefs and practices I fundamentally disagree with. This political organisation has no rights to have a monopoly over the thoughts of football supporters. And who wants to watch Black Lives Matter cross to Black Lives Matter to set up Black Lives Matter who then sidefoots it past Black Lives Matter? It's gone too far this time. Compulsory kneeling. If there was a crowd in, it deserves all of the piss taking sent its way. Or will they be removed for having a contrary opinion? Or maybe for using humorous banter. Absolutely fucking pathetic. Exactly what do you feel about BLM as an organisation is corrupt? I tend to mistrust any potentially libellous statement, if the person who makes it doesn't back it up with either proof or some pretty convincing reasons to back the statement up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 16:54:52 GMT
Football can pretty much fuck off after that sickening spectacle last night. Not content with turning it into a dick-swinging contest between oil tycoons, it's now has to be a souless, 1984 agitprop tool. BLM is a corrupt organisation whose beliefs and practices I fundamentally disagree with. This political organisation has no rights to have a monopoly over the thoughts of football supporters. And who wants to watch Black Lives Matter cross to Black Lives Matter to set up Black Lives Matter who then sidefoots it past Black Lives Matter? It's gone too far this time. Compulsory kneeling. If there was a crowd in, it deserves all of the piss taking sent its way. Or will they be removed for having a contrary opinion? Or maybe for using humorous banter. Absolutely fucking pathetic. Exactly what do you feel about BLM as an organisation is corrupt? I tend to mistrust any potentially libellous statement, if the person who makes it doesn't back it up with either proof or some pretty convincing reasons to back the statement up. It's fairly common knowledge that the Ford Foundation, George Soros and the Democracy Alliance have donated millions over in America, there would be many who would think they have an agenda that goes way beyond promoting equality for black people I guess......
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 18, 2020 17:03:04 GMT
Exactly what do you feel about BLM as an organisation is corrupt? I tend to mistrust any potentially libellous statement, if the person who makes it doesn't back it up with either proof or some pretty convincing reasons to back the statement up. It's fairly common knowledge that the Ford Foundation, George Soros and the Democracy Alliance have donated millions over in America, there would be many who would think they have an agenda that goes way beyond promoting equality for black people I guess...... How does that make the organisation corrupt? All campaigning organisations rely on donations - campaigning world wide is an expensive business - especially if you are trying to change the policy of governments who have access to huge funds provided by the tax payer. After all, what is the alternative - either they need to be funded by public funds and/or they need to rely on the proceeds of crime and/or they need to have substantial donations. Donations seems to be the least controversial way to raise money.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 17:03:46 GMT
I have no objection to a Stoke player taking a knee and supporting anti racist campaigns. Just doing it when walking out of the tunnel for kick off or during the game is politicising football. If they want to take a knee do it after the game with members of the opposing team in the centre circle in your own time and post it on your twitter and instagram accounts. i.e. Do it when no one is watching, which rather defeats the point? This is the whole point though, do it when people are watching and some will start to switch off the tv and stop going games so they do not have to watch it. All the BLM graffiti over the Cenotaph and the PL backing this. I wonder what Vera Lynn thought of the flag being burnt?
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 18, 2020 17:07:47 GMT
His choice--- not dissimilar to mine --- I am just waiting for Stoke player to take the knee and my priviledged white arse is off--- 50 years a supporter or not I think Saturday might be your last ever day as a Stoke fan then fella as both teams will be doing it I have no doubt.... Just another couple of seats they wunner be able to sell
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 17:08:26 GMT
It's fairly common knowledge that the Ford Foundation, George Soros and the Democracy Alliance have donated millions over in America, there would be many who would think they have an agenda that goes way beyond promoting equality for black people I guess...... How does that make the organisation corrupt? All campaigning organisations rely on donations - campaigning world wide is an expensive business - especially if you are trying to change the policy of governments who have access to huge funds provided by the tax payer. After all, what is the alternative - either they need to be funded by public funds and/or they need to rely on the proceeds of crime and/or they need to have substantial donations. Donations seems to be the least controversial way to raise money. In the same way that lobbyists paying money to politicians could be seen as corrupt I guess? These organisations don't usually donate money out of the goodness of their hearts, there's often an ulterior motive......
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 18, 2020 17:12:29 GMT
It's fairly common knowledge that the Ford Foundation, George Soros and the Democracy Alliance have donated millions over in America, there would be many who would think they have an agenda that goes way beyond promoting equality for black people I guess...... How does that make the organisation corrupt? All campaigning organisations rely on donations - campaigning world wide is an expensive business - especially if you are trying to change the policy of governments who have access to huge funds provided by the tax payer. After all, what is the alternative - either they need to be funded by public funds and/or they need to rely on the proceeds of crime and/or they need to have substantial donations. Donations seems to be the least controversial way to raise money. Follow the money and you get to the real reasons for any organisations existence
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Post by starkiller on Jun 18, 2020 17:13:48 GMT
Football can pretty much fuck off after that sickening spectacle last night. Not content with turning it into a dick-swinging contest between oil tycoons, it's now has to be a souless, 1984 agitprop tool. BLM is a corrupt organisation whose beliefs and practices I fundamentally disagree with. This political organisation has no rights to have a monopoly over the thoughts of football supporters. And who wants to watch Black Lives Matter cross to Black Lives Matter to set up Black Lives Matter who then sidefoots it past Black Lives Matter? It's gone too far this time. Compulsory kneeling. If there was a crowd in, it deserves all of the piss taking sent its way. Or will they be removed for having a contrary opinion? Or maybe for using humorous banter. Absolutely fucking pathetic. Exactly what do you feel about BLM as an organisation is corrupt? I tend to mistrust any potentially libellous statement, if the person who makes it doesn't back it up with either proof or some pretty convincing reasons to back the statement up. A run for profit corporation, not a charity, that has tax-exemption. It's basically a website that takes money. No records of where that money goes. No record of when it was made a company. And that's before we even get to their lies and criminal practices.
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Post by thunderduck on Jun 18, 2020 17:32:11 GMT
Enjoying the suggestion that racism and homophobia being bad is contentious. Great to see how everybody seems to turn into a precious offended pearl-grabber every time they're confronted with something that makes them uncomfortable. The world is trying to move itself forward, at least put a bit of effort into trying to understand why
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 18, 2020 17:35:58 GMT
How does that make the organisation corrupt? All campaigning organisations rely on donations - campaigning world wide is an expensive business - especially if you are trying to change the policy of governments who have access to huge funds provided by the tax payer. After all, what is the alternative - either they need to be funded by public funds and/or they need to rely on the proceeds of crime and/or they need to have substantial donations. Donations seems to be the least controversial way to raise money. In the same way that lobbyists paying money to politicians could be seen as corrupt I guess? These organisations don't usually donate money out of the goodness of their hearts, there's often an ulterior motive...... BLM started in the USA in opposition to the government and its racially biased Justice system. The President and the Republican Party are funded by (amongst others) the National Rifle Association. I fail to see how BLM are to campaign effectively against what clearly is a biased Police and Justice system if they don't have the support of major donors of their own. Are they supposed to say we can't compete with those who are oppressing us - so we won't bother campaigning and just be good little black boys and girls and accept whatever the police and the courts dish out to us? That sounds like a great recipe for change to a more equal system.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 17:57:19 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 18:04:38 GMT
I didnt think it would be so obvious but BLM really is a fucked up movement. I just checked out the website and literally the main headline on the front page is "Defund the police" while referring to George Floyd as "beautiful". He'd been in prison more times than the left lose elections and held a gun to a pregnant black lady. In what shape or form was this guy "beautiful"?
We live in a seriously messed up age.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 18, 2020 18:08:14 GMT
Everybody scared of offending, cause if you don't support whatever movement is happening, you're deemed racist, homophobic, transphobic etc.. I'd happily take all of those labels if I'm simply allowed to get on with my life without be preached to and if all of the entertainment I used to enjoy isn't destroyed by agenda. I'll also laugh at whatever my brain thinks is funny. I don't have much choice about that. I'm guessing that this kneeling malarkey will carry on at games until supporters get pissed off with the whole show and start booing. Then they can be labelled 'far-right' and 'racist thugs' etc. Cue more opportunities for moral grandstanding.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 18, 2020 18:15:51 GMT
Everybody scared of offending, cause if you don't support whatever movement is happening, you're deemed racist, homophobic, transphobic etc.. This 100%
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Post by thunderduck on Jun 18, 2020 18:16:53 GMT
I didnt think it would be so obvious but BLM really is a fucked up movement. I just checked out the website and literally the main headline on the front page is "Defund the police" while referring to George Floyd as "beautiful". He'd been in prison more times than the left lose elections and held a gun to a pregnant black lady. In what shape or form was this guy "beautiful"? We live in a seriously messed up age. Well he was an innocent guy who was murdered by a policeman, and his convictions were in the past and he has since become a father and seemed to be a responsible man who was targeted and then killed unlawfully. And using the term beautiful reinforces the emotion of the situation, one that is felt acutely by many people who fear the same may happen to them.
Also defund the police is a great movement, it's not saying no more laws, just that in America a lot of the times police with guns are called to deal with situations they are not trained to deal with (for example social workers are great at dealing with potentially violent situations because they are trained to, but police officers in America aren't), and American police forces are sort of mini-military units in cities funded far in relative excessive to any other public service. As they say, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. People feel that maybe the money spent on militarising the people that are meant to perform conflict resolution or public order would be better spent attacking the causes of poverty and crime, like poor access to public services and underfunded schools.
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Post by thunderduck on Jun 18, 2020 18:21:09 GMT
Everybody scared of offending, cause if you don't support whatever movement is happening, you're deemed racist, homophobic, transphobic etc.. I'd happily take all of those labels if I'm simply allowed to get on with my life without be preached to and if all of the entertainment I used to enjoy isn't destroyed by agenda. I'll also laugh at whatever my brain thinks is funny. I don't have much choice about that. You do though because you could seek to learn about what is actually being said and understand why some people feel the way they do, as opposed to seeing a lot of interconnected movements , experiences, and ideas as 'agenda'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 18:26:16 GMT
I didnt think it would be so obvious but BLM really is a fucked up movement. I just checked out the website and literally the main headline on the front page is "Defund the police" while referring to George Floyd as "beautiful". He'd been in prison more times than the left lose elections and held a gun to a pregnant black lady. In what shape or form was this guy "beautiful"? We live in a seriously messed up age. Well he was an innocent guy who was murdered by a policeman, and his convictions were in the past and he has since become a father and seemed to be a responsible man who was targeted and then killed unlawfully. And using the term beautiful reinforces the emotion of the situation, one that is felt acutely by many people who fear the same may happen to them.
Also defund the police is a great movement, it's not saying no more laws, just that in America a lot of the times police with guns are called to deal with situations they are not trained to deal with (for example social workers are great at dealing with potentially violent situations because they are trained to, but police officers in America aren't), and American police forces are sort of mini-military units in cities funded far in relative excessive to any other public service. As they say, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. People feel that maybe the money spent on militarising the people that are meant to perform conflict resolution or public order would be better spent attacking the causes of poverty and crime, like poor access to public services and underfunded schools.
All I want to do is watch a game of football, why don't black lives matter hire the Bet365 stadium and start doing political rallies there. This way I can make my own personal choice whether I want to attend or not!
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Post by starkiller on Jun 18, 2020 18:36:18 GMT
Well he was an innocent guy who was murdered by a policeman, and his convictions were in the past and he has since become a father and seemed to be a responsible man who was targeted and then killed unlawfully. And using the term beautiful reinforces the emotion of the situation, one that is felt acutely by many people who fear the same may happen to them.
Also defund the police is a great movement, it's not saying no more laws, just that in America a lot of the times police with guns are called to deal with situations they are not trained to deal with (for example social workers are great at dealing with potentially violent situations because they are trained to, but police officers in America aren't), and American police forces are sort of mini-military units in cities funded far in relative excessive to any other public service. As they say, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. People feel that maybe the money spent on militarising the people that are meant to perform conflict resolution or public order would be better spent attacking the causes of poverty and crime, like poor access to public services and underfunded schools.
All I want to do is watch a game of football, why don't black lives matter hire the Bet365 stadium and start doing political rallies there. This way I can make my own personal choice whether I want to attend or not! The fact we are having to talk about all this instead of football is ridiculous. People want to watch football. It's a ridiculous as: 'Death Of Man By US Police Leads To Fawlty Towers Ban' Hysterical insanity.
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