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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 17, 2020 23:19:16 GMT
Yep really good post. No one is denying they are good causes but we are literally getting this stuff rammed down our throat 24/7 by the media and practically every millionaire celebrity. Can't we just watch a game of footy with a beer and not have to feel like like its some elitest politicised bullshit making us feel guilty for crimes the ordinary footy fan hasn't committed.
Football has been becoming sterile for a few years now and this is the icing on the cake. No fans, woke actions and a bunch of elite millionaire twats like Linekar telling us what to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 23:26:36 GMT
Rainbow laces: why not? One of my teenage sons is gay. I'm thankful he's growing up without nearly as much hateful bullshit to deal with than he would have had in the 80's when I was his age. If laces help in some tiny way then where's the harm?
Black Lives Matter: if football just ignores what's happening in the world outside then that would be odd and a bit sinister. "Move along, nothing to see here" is exactly the mindset that allows some people to literally get away with murder.
Obtrusive Body Searches: fair enough on that, that's more than a bit weird.
Loss of terraces: the Taylor Report was 30 years ago. Most people have adjusted to it by now.
Gambling problems: at least the addiction is recognised these days. I agree there's more to do though.
Mental health: Joe put my thoughts perfectly... "So Danny Rose dived and when he says a few years later he experiences depression you start to dislike football?" That's a strange line of argument you have there.
Renaming the cup and the later kick offs: unfortunately that one is all your fault. If you subscribe to Sky or BT sport or other pay TV providers then your money is part of their profit and that's what's driven the commercialisation of the game in the last thirty years. Pay Sky if you like - its a free country - but if you do then don't come on here complaining that all the money washing round the game is ruining the traditional things.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 17, 2020 23:28:01 GMT
Lakeland Potter, hearing Peter Crouch droning on and on and going on the BBC website and he seems to be omnipresent on there is depressing me. OK mental illness is a disease, now what? I go the game for a bit of escapism and enjoyment from my own stresses in life, I go the game or watch it on tv and I’m caught up in other people’s causes. The whole point of my thread is this. Getting my inside leg touched up entering the ground, clapping our new heroes key workers and taking a knee at kick off will be the new norm I guess. Taking your last point first. Large crowds at sports games, festivals, concerts etc, have been targeted by terrorists in the past and will no doubt continue to be targeted in the future. If you are not overly concerned about the safety of yourself or your family at such events, you will obviously regard searches as an imposition. But many won't agree with you and would prefer that there was security at these events. I expect that the numbers who are happy about having security, far outnumber those like yourself who find that searches might persuade you not to bother going. In any case at many events a safety certificate (allowing the event to go ahead) will probably only be issued if there are searches. I'm delighted that so many football clubs have campaigns on mental health - it makes up (to some extent) for successive governments starving the mental health sector of funds and facilities for as long as I can remember. I could go on and answer all your points one by one. To be honest, I can't be arsed. As you don't sound as if you will change your mind, what would be the point? Dude don't you just want to have 90 minutes of watching a sport you love free of this stuff? We see it every single minute of every day, surely we can have just a tiny tiny bit of our day where we aren't meant to feel like some horrible evil straight white man? Life's too short, let's not ruin the innocent aspects of life that we love in order "to be seen" to be doing good. The reality is most of these celebs are doing very little (hence Rashford's work was refreshing) in the way of physically acting in the community off their own back be it via helping black youths with gang violence or with youth clubs, volunteering with mental health or drug abusers. That's real life shit and surely more valuable than taking the knee on SKY or posting black squares on Instagram to get your PR ratings up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 23:48:19 GMT
I think searching OAPs going into the ground is a disgrace. A gun or weapon can easily be smuggled into a ground via an under 16 who cannot be searched.
There is just no justification to search home fans, there is technology that negates this.
We can campaign for mental health until the cows come home, funding is targeted at climate change initiatives and sustainable planet objectives instead.
I don’t know maybe we should increase tax or find your true altruism to causes and ask for you to voluntarily contribute to this sector.
The virtuous altruistic fund for worthy causes, citizens who give £100 a month get one star and those who give £500 a month get five stars. You get to wear these stars on a badge to display and those who do not contribute wear none and can be derided by those that do.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 18, 2020 0:11:14 GMT
on one search one put his knuckle on my balls and said just checking! Which turnstile was this? Asking for a friend.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 0:19:45 GMT
Taking your last point first. Large crowds at sports games, festivals, concerts etc, have been targeted by terrorists in the past and will no doubt continue to be targeted in the future. If you are not overly concerned about the safety of yourself or your family at such events, you will obviously regard searches as an imposition. But many won't agree with you and would prefer that there was security at these events. I expect that the numbers who are happy about having security, far outnumber those like yourself who find that searches might persuade you not to bother going. In any case at many events a safety certificate (allowing the event to go ahead) will probably only be issued if there are searches. I'm delighted that so many football clubs have campaigns on mental health - it makes up (to some extent) for successive governments starving the mental health sector of funds and facilities for as long as I can remember. I could go on and answer all your points one by one. To be honest, I can't be arsed. As you don't sound as if you will change your mind, what would be the point? Dude don't you just want to have 90 minutes of watching a sport you love free of this stuff? We see it every single minute of every day, surely we can have just a tiny tiny bit of our day where we aren't meant to feel like some horrible evil straight white man? Life's too short, let's not ruin the innocent aspects of life that we love in order "to be seen" to be doing good. The reality is most of these celebs are doing very little (hence Rashford's work was refreshing) in the way of physically acting in the community off their own back be it via helping black youths with gang violence or with youth clubs, volunteering with mental health or drug abusers. That's real life shit and surely more valuable than taking the knee on SKY or posting black squares on Instagram to get your PR ratings up. 1. From one straight white man to another, nobody is trying to make you feel evil. All it is - I want women, black people, brown people, gay people etc. to be just as welcome at the footy as you and me are. It's a beautiful game and it's for everyone, or it should be. 2. Nobody's perfect and people make mistakes. Poorly chosen words might accidentally imply that it's only "black youths" that might need help with gang violence.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 18, 2020 0:22:01 GMT
What a cringeworthy spectacle it was.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 0:32:20 GMT
Dude don't you just want to have 90 minutes of watching a sport you love free of this stuff? We see it every single minute of every day, surely we can have just a tiny tiny bit of our day where we aren't meant to feel like some horrible evil straight white man? Life's too short, let's not ruin the innocent aspects of life that we love in order "to be seen" to be doing good. The reality is most of these celebs are doing very little (hence Rashford's work was refreshing) in the way of physically acting in the community off their own back be it via helping black youths with gang violence or with youth clubs, volunteering with mental health or drug abusers. That's real life shit and surely more valuable than taking the knee on SKY or posting black squares on Instagram to get your PR ratings up. 1. From one straight white man to another, nobody is trying to make you feel evil. All it is - I want women, black people, brown people, gay people etc. to be just as welcome at the footy as you and me are. It's a beautiful game and it's for everyone, or it should be. 2. Nobody's perfect and people make mistakes. Poorly chosen words might accidentally imply that it's only "black youths" that might need help with gang violence. And I and the vast majority of people would agree (although I don't quite get your second point) but do we need to have it plastered all over a game of football? The matches today were reminiscent of some bizarre Americanised (with a hint of North Korean) politicised, hippie themed sporting event from the 70s with frequent flashing pop ups of "Black Lives Matter", "Love the NHS", rainbow shoelaces and videography that seemed insistent on spending 90% of its footage zooming in on black players. Meanwhile the elite panel of millionaires in the background making blatantly forced reference to the numerous causes on show. I mean the whole spectacle was bordering on comical and utterly cringe worthy. These are all great causes, but there's a place for it. Today was not a good look. Sterile, fake and woke to the nth degree.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 0:49:56 GMT
1. From one straight white man to another, nobody is trying to make you feel evil. All it is - I want women, black people, brown people, gay people etc. to be just as welcome at the footy as you and me are. It's a beautiful game and it's for everyone, or it should be. 2. Nobody's perfect and people make mistakes. Poorly chosen words might accidentally imply that it's only "black youths" that might need help with gang violence. And I and the vast majority of people would agree, but do we need to have it plastered all over a game of football? The matches today were reminiscent of some bizarre Americanised (with a hint of North Korean) politicised sporting event from the 70s with frequent flashing pop ups of "Black Lives Matter", "Love the NHS", rainbow shoelaces and videography that seemed insistent on spending 90% of its footage zooming in on black players. Meanwhile the elite panel of millionaires in the background making frequent reference to the numerous causes on show. I mean the whole spectacle was bordering on comical and utterly cringe worthy. These are all great causes, but there's a place for it. Today was not a good look. Sterile, fake and woke to the nth degree. Like Arsene Wenger, I didn't see it so I'll take your word. It does sound bizarre. But as a broadcaster, they're in a dilemma aren't they? If, first game back, they don't engage with either of these two massive things that have happened since we last saw football, then wouldn't that be even stranger? I suspect the "cause coverage" you're taking about will die out really quickly anyway and TV footy will develop a new normal which will be a bit more settled.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 0:56:43 GMT
And I and the vast majority of people would agree, but do we need to have it plastered all over a game of football? The matches today were reminiscent of some bizarre Americanised (with a hint of North Korean) politicised sporting event from the 70s with frequent flashing pop ups of "Black Lives Matter", "Love the NHS", rainbow shoelaces and videography that seemed insistent on spending 90% of its footage zooming in on black players. Meanwhile the elite panel of millionaires in the background making frequent reference to the numerous causes on show. I mean the whole spectacle was bordering on comical and utterly cringe worthy. These are all great causes, but there's a place for it. Today was not a good look. Sterile, fake and woke to the nth degree. Like Arsene Wenger, I didn't see it so I'll take your word. It does sound bizarre. But as a broadcaster, they're in a dilemma aren't they? If, first game back, they don't engage with either of these two massive things that have happened since we last saw football, then wouldn't that be even stranger? I suspect the "cause coverage" you're taking about will die out really quickly anyway and TV footy will develop a new normal which will be a bit more settled. Quite possibly and fully understand the dilemma. They needed to briefly touch on it but it just all went wayyyy too far. As with all these things, when something gets overdone it just loses all meaning. I'd suggest if sky want to retain any remotely respectable viewing numbers over the coming weeks then they need de-politicise it and get back to making football enjoyable. Maybe bring Andy Gray back for a special guest appearance? Just so he can say "take a boo" while making a moderately sexist comment before legging it. Now that would liven things up 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 1:15:08 GMT
on one search one put his knuckle on my balls and said just checking! Which turnstile was this? Asking for a friend. He did go back 3 times to be fair
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 18, 2020 7:14:26 GMT
Also a loss of terraces, new all seater football stadiums without a soul (Man City & West Ham). Gambling problems in sport and advertising. Over paid players and retired players still making a big buck (Gary Lineker & Rio Ferdinand) Over paid players talking about mental health, try being on a zero hour contract at a Stoke distribution centre, lets see if you can do that on a Tuesday 10pm to 6am shift? Sky Sports and BT Sports, its live and the annoying music. Does anyone else feel so detached from the beautiful game and what used to be a simple experience of paying on the gate, watching from the terrace on a Saturday or a mid week game to being beat over the head with 'worthy causes'? Annoying surveys on what my sexual orientation is and inclusivity. Im on the precipice of cancelling both my SKY and BT sports channels and if I felt like it even my season ticket for the next season, its becoming a total hassle where I feel Im beating over the ahead with cultural agendas. I just simply want to watch the beautiful game played by players of any creed. You can’t deny all the causes are worthy. I can understand why they’re all over football because of awareness/ publicity. But yea I agree sometimes you just want to watch footy, talk footy a pie and a pint. Even the pie's are shit now since they got rid of monosodium glutamate
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 18, 2020 7:15:38 GMT
Can imagine the OP singing this at the height of his breakdown
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 7:24:13 GMT
Can imagine the OP singing this at the height of his breakdown 🤣🤣
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 18, 2020 8:42:02 GMT
Out of interest why shouldn't the club support Black Lives Matter:
1 Black Lives Matter - but we can't be arsed 2 Black Lives Don't Matter to us or our fans 3 Football has never had any problems with racism 4 Stoke City does not have any racist fans 5 Stoke-on-Trent doesn't have any black people living there 6 Stoke-on-Trent is a model of racial harmony 7 Stoke City does not have any black players 8 No black player who has ever played for Stoke City has ever experienced racism 9 Most Stoke City fans are white and don't want to be bothered with matters that affect the black community 10 Most Stoke City fans are a bit right wing and don't want anything to do with that sort of thing 11 The club might get accused of leftie virtual signalling which will make us a laughing stock among fans whose club's don't make a stand 12 Most of our fans really can't be bothered to acknowledge problems outside their own social bubble and neither should the club
Personally I hope the club does get behind the Black Lives Matter campaign - because Black Lives do Matter and any socially responsible organisation with strong links to their local community should make a stand even if it is at the expense of pissing of some of it's members. And if it isn't pissing off people who hold racist attitudes or people who simply don't want to acknowledge that racism is still resulting in the untimely death of black people in supposedly civilised countries then it isn't doing its job.
So to anyone put out by this - good, it's working.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 8:45:09 GMT
You can’t deny all the causes are worthy. I can understand why they’re all over football because of awareness/ publicity. But yea I agree sometimes you just want to watch footy, talk footy a pie and a pint. Even the pie's are shit now since they got rid of monosodium glutamate Oh god yeah that'll be next. Vegan pies only... with a running video of animals being slaughtered on the TV in the concourse.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 18, 2020 8:55:26 GMT
Even the pie's are shit now since they got rid of monosodium glutamate Oh god yeah that'll be next. Vegan pies only... with a running video of animals being slaughtered on the TV in the concourse. Forest Green are vegan
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 18, 2020 8:57:41 GMT
Even the pie's are shit now since they got rid of monosodium glutamate Oh god yeah that'll be next. Vegan pies only... with a running video of animals being slaughtered on the TV in the concourse. Now its starting to develop a touch of nostalgia As a kid used to have a packet of opal fruits on the way to the match Nicked a couple of bloody starbursts off the grandkids bland and tasteless
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 18, 2020 8:58:51 GMT
Oh god yeah that'll be next. Vegan pies only... with a running video of animals being slaughtered on the TV in the concourse. Forest Green are vegan Will have to make sure if ever I go there to take my own bovril
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Post by raythesailor on Jun 18, 2020 9:09:35 GMT
I would be interested to know which gate These through and “intimate” searches are being carried out ?
I have always thought the searches were a joke. Could smuggle in a rocket launcher if my pockets were big enough where I go in.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2020 9:18:17 GMT
Oh god yeah that'll be next. Vegan pies only... with a running video of animals being slaughtered on the TV in the concourse. Forest Green are vegan Thankfully they are a bunch of part timers 😉
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Post by fca47 on Jun 18, 2020 9:34:14 GMT
Will they be asking us to take the knee at the first home game? I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 18, 2020 9:45:37 GMT
Will they be asking us to take the knee at the first home game? I wouldn't be surprised. They can piss right off by the time I got down on one knee and back up again it would be time to leave early
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 9:51:51 GMT
Out of interest why shouldn't the club support Black Lives Matter: 1 Black Lives Matter - but we can't be arsed 2 Black Lives Don't Matter to us or our fans 3 Football has never had any problems with racism 4 Stoke City does not have any racist fans 5 Stoke-on-Trent doesn't have any black people living there 6 Stoke-on-Trent is a model of racial harmony 7 Stoke City does not have any black players 8 No black player who has ever played for Stoke City has ever experienced racism 9 Most Stoke City fans are white and don't want to be bothered with matters that affect the black community 10 Most Stoke City fans are a bit right wing and don't want anything to do with that sort of thing 11 The club might get accused of leftie virtual signalling which will make us a laughing stock among fans whose club's don't make a stand 12 Most of our fans really can't be bothered to acknowledge problems outside their own social bubble and neither should the club Personally I hope the club does get behind the Black Lives Matter campaign - because Black Lives do Matter and any socially responsible organisation with strong links to their local community should make a stand even if it is at the expense of pissing of some of it's members. And if it isn't pissing off people who hold racist attitudes or people who simply don't want to acknowledge that racism is still resulting in the untimely death of black people in supposedly civilised countries then it isn't doing its job. So to anyone put out by this - good, it's working. In the season we went down there was a Chinese delegation visiting looking at our training etc, they even got presented at half time. I thought wow considering in some quarters they are accused of ethno cleansing with respect to the Uighur's within their borders. What are your opinions on this with that in mind? www.staffs.ac.uk/news-archive/staffordshire-university-to-host-chinese-soccer-school-with-stoke-city-fc-tcm4288835.jspI mean its only business right, Staffs Uni need paying students and this is a good bit of PR over there but lets pretend the plight of the Uighers is not happening? What of the people of Hong Kong where the militarised mainland Chinese Police are using heavy handed tactics on them, forcing them to flee their homes to come and live here.
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Post by f1rew0rks on Jun 18, 2020 9:52:57 GMT
Also Jamie Carragher spitting in quite a viscious manner from his Range Rover after commentating at a game and not being sacked by Sky, if he was being wound up he simply could have turned off at a junction and waited and called the Police if necessary. Countless footballers supporting remain and just getting political Gary 'fucking' Lineker. Clapping for Cyril Regis, he never even played for us. Mark Stein a Stoke legend, a footballing God in my book and a joy to watch will they be clapping him at the Ricoh or what ever that stadium cluster fuck outsourcing stadium sponsoring and renaming shit show has become. But you are bringing up searches at away games, not being touched up entering your own stadium in an obtrusive way! OK the FA Cup and semi finals being played at Wembley, renaming the cup and the later kick offs. Football League to me is Sunday at 1.30pm and F.A. Cup is the final Saturday of the season at 3pm. I suggest you give up on the game then. If you dislike it so much walk away. It's acceptable not to do something you hate so much. If only it was that easy!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 9:55:10 GMT
I would be interested to know which gate These through and “intimate” searches are being carried out ? I have always thought the searches were a joke. Could smuggle in a rocket launcher if my pockets were big enough where I go in. Look back over my posts, it was several seasons ago now. Yes I do object to body searches having the inside of my trouser leg above my knee touched up, they are intelligence insulting and somebody could still get a weapon in with the use of a child.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 18, 2020 10:17:04 GMT
The searchers should either be proper ie the inside of your trousers (appropriately only), metal detector etc or they shouldn't bother. The weak as piss pointless pat down they do now serves no purpose.
I've never got why people have an issue with rainbow laces, who the feck is it harming? It's not affecting your life in any way shape or form.
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Post by stokemark on Jun 18, 2020 10:22:00 GMT
For me its just football overall that's sold its soul and will likely never get it back. I tend to pay little notice to the game overall and the related Sky, BT circus and just support Stoke.
My enjoyment is a beer or two with my son before the game and then soak in the Stokieness of our supporters who mostly share the same sentiment (I live down south so its a merciful release to be with normal people)
The fact that football is now going ahead without supporters is the ultimate kick in the bollocks for all of us who support our teams in person, home and away - its like the armchair glory hunters have now taken it over and its only about the money.
I will probably watch our remaining games but until I'm having a pre-match pint in the White Star with my lad and enjoying the sense of comradery and community that we still have in Stoke-on-Trent then most of it will be a charade that just adds further to my sense of disenchantment with football.
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Post by loosestools on Jun 18, 2020 10:25:32 GMT
I would be interested to know which gate These through and “intimate” searches are being carried out ? I have always thought the searches were a joke. Could smuggle in a rocket launcher if my pockets were big enough where I go in. "Is that a rocket launcher in your pants - or are you just pleased to see me?"
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Post by magwitch on Jun 18, 2020 10:27:03 GMT
BLM 'It is a funded organisation sponsored by the left'. From the racism thread , but not about racism as many people think, but by the left/George Soros trying to destroy Western countries, in particular the USA and UK.
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