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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 19:54:17 GMT
Also a loss of terraces, new all seater football stadiums without a soul (Man City & West Ham).
Gambling problems in sport and advertising.
Over paid players and retired players still making a big buck (Gary Lineker & Rio Ferdinand)
Over paid players talking about mental health, try being on a zero hour contract at a Stoke distribution centre, lets see if you can do that on a Tuesday 10pm to 6am shift?
Sky Sports and BT Sports, its live and the annoying music.
Does anyone else feel so detached from the beautiful game and what used to be a simple experience of paying on the gate, watching from the terrace on a Saturday or a mid week game to being beat over the head with 'worthy causes'?
Annoying surveys on what my sexual orientation is and inclusivity.
Im on the precipice of cancelling both my SKY and BT sports channels and if I felt like it even my season ticket for the next season, its becoming a total hassle where I feel Im beating over the ahead with cultural agendas.
I just simply want to watch the beautiful game played by players of any creed.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 17, 2020 19:58:05 GMT
Welcome to 21st century football.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 20:03:04 GMT
Welcome to 21st century football. yes Im just waiting for this thread to be locked and the denial of any debate in case someone might be offended.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Jun 17, 2020 20:05:32 GMT
Welcome to 21st century everything.
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Post by RF10 on Jun 17, 2020 20:10:02 GMT
Mental health can affect anyone regardless of want job they do or how much they earn. It's an illness which still doesn't get taken seriously enough.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jun 17, 2020 20:13:58 GMT
Also a loss of terraces, new all seater football stadiums without a soul (Man City & West Ham). Gambling problems in sport and advertising. Over paid players and retired players still making a big buck (Gary Lineker & Rio Ferdinand) Over paid players talking about mental health, try being on a zero hour contract at a Stoke distribution centre, lets see if you can do that on a Tuesday 10pm to 6am shift? Sky Sports and BT Sports, its live and the annoying music. Does anyone else feel so detached from the beautiful game and what used to be a simple experience of paying on the gate, watching from the terrace on a Saturday or a mid week game to being beat over the head with 'worthy causes'? Annoying surveys on what my sexual orientation is and inclusivity. Im on the precipice of cancelling both my SKY and BT sports channels and if I felt like it even my season ticket for the next season, its becoming a total hassle where I feel Im beating over the ahead with cultural agendas. I just simply want to watch the beautiful game played by players of any creed. You can’t deny all the causes are worthy. I can understand why they’re all over football because of awareness/ publicity. But yea I agree sometimes you just want to watch footy, talk footy a pie and a pint.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 20:17:23 GMT
Mental health can affect anyone regardless of want job they do or how much they earn. It's an illness which still doesn't get taken seriously enough. The problem we have is that the player has signed a contract to play for a football club, do they overlook this when they sign the contract or once the ink has dried then start sounding the alarm. Im not trying to be cruel or cold hearted but we have entered into new territory with sport here, Im not sure that I like it that's all.
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Post by RF10 on Jun 17, 2020 20:20:17 GMT
Mental health can affect anyone regardless of want job they do or how much they earn. It's an illness which still doesn't get taken seriously enough. The problem we have is that the player has signed a contract to play for a football club, do they overlook this when they sign the contract or once the ink has dried then start sounding the alarm. Im not trying to be cruel or cold hearted but we have entered into new territory with sport here, Im not sure that I like it that's all. So by being a footballer and earning incredible money they shouldn't suffer from mental illness?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 17, 2020 20:24:13 GMT
I know what you mean. Can't seem to find a game these days which doesn't have a tribute or a minutes applause for someone who has passed away. I won't be surprised if there are funerals held before the game next.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 20:25:25 GMT
The problem we have is that the player has signed a contract to play for a football club, do they overlook this when they sign the contract or once the ink has dried then start sounding the alarm. Im not trying to be cruel or cold hearted but we have entered into new territory with sport here, Im not sure that I like it that's all. So by being a footballer and earning incredible money they shouldn't suffer from mental illness? Hard to say we were blessed by the football brilliance of Gazza. I think the Danny Rose and his wind up antics then public statements on mental health issues had me assessing my interest in the game not so long ago.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 17, 2020 20:31:02 GMT
So by being a footballer and earning incredible money they shouldn't suffer from mental illness? Hard to say we were blessed by the football brilliance of Gazza. I think the Danny Rose and his wind up antics then public statements on mental health issues had me assessing my interest in the game not so long ago. So Danny Rose dived and when he says a few years later he experiences depression you start to dislike football?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 20:39:07 GMT
Hard to say we were blessed by the football brilliance of Gazza. I think the Danny Rose and his wind up antics then public statements on mental health issues had me assessing my interest in the game not so long ago. So Danny Rose dived and when he says a few years later he experiences depression you start to dislike football? Id say it really started once the body searches started at the game by someone I did not want putting their hands all over my body, on one search one put his knuckle on my balls and said just checking! Mind you Tony Pulis and his European Football tactics had me searching, I felt it at Besiktas away and Valencia away was a total cop out. The board of Stoke City not seeing what was happening to the club a full season before the rest of us when Hughes was in charge and signing players totally unsuitable with the wrong ethos. That Chelsea game at home early in the season we were relegated, I realised then we were in trouble the players were so unfit.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 17, 2020 20:51:45 GMT
So Danny Rose dived and when he says a few years later he experiences depression you start to dislike football? Id say it really started once the body searches started at the game by someone I did not want putting their hands all over my body, on one search one put his knuckle on my balls and said just checking! Mind you Tony Pulis and his European Football tactics had me searching, I felt it at Besiktas away and Valencia away was a total cop out. The board of Stoke City not seeing what was happening to the club a full season before the rest of us when Hughes was in charge and signing players totally unsuitable with the wrong ethos. That Chelsea game at home early in the season we were relegated, I realised then we were in trouble the players were so unfit. I bet searches used to be a lot more stringent back in my day. At Notts county once it took a few minutes. They got my fag packet out and made me take the fags out so they could see there wasn't a weapon hidden. At Bournemouth a middle aged woman had her vicks nasal spray confiscated. So being relegated did it for you as well? Like I say, it isn't compulsory, but these things are part of the ebb and flow of football.
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Post by David Brent on Jun 17, 2020 20:55:49 GMT
Mental health can affect anyone regardless of want job they do or how much they earn. It's an illness which still doesn't get taken seriously enough. The problem we have is that the player has signed a contract to play for a football club, do they overlook this when they sign the contract or once the ink has dried then start sounding the alarm. Im not trying to be cruel or cold hearted but we have entered into new territory with sport here, Im not sure that I like it that's all. You couldn’t be further from the mark. That’s like saying “because you’re a professional footballer and make loads of money you shouldn’t get cancer. Mental illness is exactly that, it’s an illness that can affect anyone and everyone regardless of lifestyle or financial situation
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 21:02:22 GMT
Also Jamie Carragher spitting in quite a viscious manner from his Range Rover after commentating at a game and not being sacked by Sky, if he was being wound up he simply could have turned off at a junction and waited and called the Police if necessary.
Countless footballers supporting remain and just getting political
Gary 'fucking' Lineker.
Clapping for Cyril Regis, he never even played for us. Mark Stein a Stoke legend, a footballing God in my book and a joy to watch will they be clapping him at the Ricoh or what ever that stadium cluster fuck outsourcing stadium sponsoring and renaming shit show has become.
But you are bringing up searches at away games, not being touched up entering your own stadium in an obtrusive way!
OK the FA Cup and semi finals being played at Wembley, renaming the cup and the later kick offs. Football League to me is Sunday at 1.30pm and F.A. Cup is the final Saturday of the season at 3pm.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 21:09:14 GMT
The problem we have is that the player has signed a contract to play for a football club, do they overlook this when they sign the contract or once the ink has dried then start sounding the alarm. Im not trying to be cruel or cold hearted but we have entered into new territory with sport here, Im not sure that I like it that's all. You couldn’t be further from the mark. That’s like saying “because you’re a professional footballer and make loads of money you shouldn’t get cancer. Mental illness is exactly that, it’s an illness that can affect anyone and everyone regardless of lifestyle or financial situation Im not trying to make the mark though. Narrowing the thought to the club I support, some of the players who have come to our club and basically just not made an effort but still took a big fat pay cheque have me questioning my sanity in paying to watch them play and thus a part of their wage. Now we have players getting political and bringing agenda causes into the match day experience. What next Rashford having a private line to Downing Street and dictating policy?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 17, 2020 21:21:50 GMT
Also Jamie Carragher spitting in quite a viscious manner from his Range Rover after commentating at a game and not being sacked by Sky, if he was being wound up he simply could have turned off at a junction and waited and called the Police if necessary. Countless footballers supporting remain and just getting political Gary 'fucking' Lineker. Clapping for Cyril Regis, he never even played for us. Mark Stein a Stoke legend, a footballing God in my book and a joy to watch will they be clapping him at the Ricoh or what ever that stadium cluster fuck outsourcing stadium sponsoring and renaming shit show has become. But you are bringing up searches at away games, not being touched up entering your own stadium in an obtrusive way! OK the FA Cup and semi finals being played at Wembley, renaming the cup and the later kick offs. Football League to me is Sunday at 1.30pm and F.A. Cup is the final Saturday of the season at 3pm. I suggest you give up on the game then. If you dislike it so much walk away. It's acceptable not to do something you hate so much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 21:30:36 GMT
Also Jamie Carragher spitting in quite a viscious manner from his Range Rover after commentating at a game and not being sacked by Sky, if he was being wound up he simply could have turned off at a junction and waited and called the Police if necessary. Countless footballers supporting remain and just getting political Gary 'fucking' Lineker. Clapping for Cyril Regis, he never even played for us. Mark Stein a Stoke legend, a footballing God in my book and a joy to watch will they be clapping him at the Ricoh or what ever that stadium cluster fuck outsourcing stadium sponsoring and renaming shit show has become. But you are bringing up searches at away games, not being touched up entering your own stadium in an obtrusive way! OK the FA Cup and semi finals being played at Wembley, renaming the cup and the later kick offs. Football League to me is Sunday at 1.30pm and F.A. Cup is the final Saturday of the season at 3pm. I suggest you give up on the game then. If you dislike it so much walk away. It's acceptable not to do something you hate so much. I think it has happened, Im just trying to work out if the game has given up on me or I have given up on the game! The enjoyment isn't there like it used to be or is it my rose tinted glasses?
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Jun 17, 2020 21:57:03 GMT
Mental health can affect anyone regardless of want job they do or how much they earn. It's an illness which still doesn't get taken seriously enough. The problem we have is that the player has signed a contract to play for a football club, do they overlook this when they sign the contract or once the ink has dried then start sounding the alarm. Im not trying to be cruel or cold hearted but we have entered into new territory with sport here, Im not sure that I like it that's all. you have never moved jobs? edit: never mind, no post since December. one of the EE lot with an alt, similar to RACISM! thread earlier. embarrassed I gave it any credence
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Post by Gods on Jun 17, 2020 22:06:13 GMT
Football as a panacea for the world's ills isn't it?
Trouble is everyone has a good cause so where do you stop.
I'd prefer it if we stuck to the football and left out the commercial breaks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 22:12:39 GMT
What is the EE lot?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 17, 2020 22:19:26 GMT
The problem we have is that the player has signed a contract to play for a football club, do they overlook this when they sign the contract or once the ink has dried then start sounding the alarm. Im not trying to be cruel or cold hearted but we have entered into new territory with sport here, Im not sure that I like it that's all. You couldn’t be further from the mark. That’s like saying “because you’re a professional footballer and make loads of money you shouldn’t get cancer. Mental illness is exactly that, it’s an illness that can affect anyone and everyone regardless of lifestyle or financial situation Sadly, footy fans resemble the rest of the population in their attitudes to mental illness. About 50% think you can't possibly have clinical depression if you have plenty of money. The same group also think that the way to cure depression is to tell the sufferer to "pull yourself together." I'll be honest, I don't understand why so many of my fellow citizens find it so hard to understand that mental illness is just as "real" as cancer, heart disease or multiple sclerosis. Presumably if they can't see physical evidence of the symptoms, it just doesn't count as an illness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 22:29:50 GMT
Lakeland Potter, hearing Peter Crouch droning on and on and going on the BBC website and he seems to be omnipresent on there is depressing me.
OK mental illness is a disease, now what?
I go the game for a bit of escapism and enjoyment from my own stresses in life, I go the game or watch it on tv and I’m caught up in other people’s causes.
The whole point of my thread is this.
Getting my inside leg touched up entering the ground, clapping our new heroes key workers and taking a knee at kick off will be the new norm I guess.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Jun 17, 2020 22:34:52 GMT
obvious wind up is obvious. 4/10, need more subtlety next time
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Post by lordb on Jun 17, 2020 22:40:14 GMT
Also Jamie Carragher spitting in quite a viscious manner from his Range Rover after commentating at a game and not being sacked by Sky, if he was being wound up he simply could have turned off at a junction and waited and called the Police if necessary. Countless footballers supporting remain and just getting political Gary 'fucking' Lineker. Clapping for Cyril Regis, he never even played for us. Mark Stein a Stoke legend, a footballing God in my book and a joy to watch will they be clapping him at the Ricoh or what ever that stadium cluster fuck outsourcing stadium sponsoring and renaming shit show has become. But you are bringing up searches at away games, not being touched up entering your own stadium in an obtrusive way! OK the FA Cup and semi finals being played at Wembley, renaming the cup and the later kick offs. Football League to me is Sunday at 1.30pm and F.A. Cup is the final Saturday of the season at 3pm. 'Clapping for Cyrile Regis' Jesus what's wrong with you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 22:49:00 GMT
Nothing I wondered at the time and wondering now why we clapped for a player who had absolutely had nothing to do with our club, just seems a bit odd.
He won an FA Cup final and made a handful of international appearances.
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Post by lordb on Jun 17, 2020 22:50:47 GMT
Nothing I wondered at the time and wondering now why we clapped for a player who had absolutely had nothing to do with our club, just seems a bit odd. He won an FA Cup final and made a handful of international appearances. I thought it was a touch of class from SCFC
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 23:03:45 GMT
Nothing I wondered at the time and wondering now why we clapped for a player who had absolutely had nothing to do with our club, just seems a bit odd. He won an FA Cup final and made a handful of international appearances. I thought it was a touch of class from SCFC Maybe a lack of class some three months later when Ray Wilkins passed, an FA Cup winner and England international or did we clap for him I can’t remember it was the relegation season and by then I was at the game but wasn’t.
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Post by 1982stokie on Jun 17, 2020 23:05:42 GMT
I thought it was a touch of class from SCFC Maybe a lack of class some three months later when Ray Wilkins passed, an FA Cup winner and England international or did we clap for him I can’t remember it was the relegation season and by then I was at the game but wasn’t. If I remember rightly we did clap him too
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 17, 2020 23:07:35 GMT
Lakeland Potter, hearing Peter Crouch droning on and on and going on the BBC website and he seems to be omnipresent on there is depressing me. OK mental illness is a disease, now what? I go the game for a bit of escapism and enjoyment from my own stresses in life, I go the game or watch it on tv and I’m caught up in other people’s causes. The whole point of my thread is this. Getting my inside leg touched up entering the ground, clapping our new heroes key workers and taking a knee at kick off will be the new norm I guess. Taking your last point first. Large crowds at sports games, festivals, concerts etc, have been targeted by terrorists in the past and will no doubt continue to be targeted in the future. If you are not overly concerned about the safety of yourself or your family at such events, you will obviously regard searches as an imposition. But many won't agree with you and would prefer that there was security at these events. I expect that the numbers who are happy about having security, far outnumber those like yourself who find that searches might persuade you not to bother going. In any case at many events a safety certificate (allowing the event to go ahead) will probably only be issued if there are searches. I'm delighted that so many football clubs have campaigns on mental health - it makes up (to some extent) for successive governments starving the mental health sector of funds and facilities for as long as I can remember. I could go on and answer all your points one by one. To be honest, I can't be arsed. As you don't sound as if you will change your mind, what would be the point?
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