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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2020 10:31:12 GMT
Notice how all teams that get back into the prem dont have has-beens Hal Robson Kanu and Charlie Austin at West Brom?
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 6, 2020 10:32:47 GMT
A 33 year old striker isn't what we need
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Post by peterpan1 on Aug 6, 2020 10:33:26 GMT
If Steven Fletcher is our level of interest at 18k a week, we have learnt nothing at all. He's 33 for christ sake. This board has been crying out for pace in our players not decrepit snails. He'd struggle to get in the Sunderland team at the moment and that's saying something.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 6, 2020 10:35:19 GMT
Notice how all teams that get back into the prem dont have has-beens Hal Robson Kanu and Charlie Austin at West Brom? A blend of youth and experience is ideal. Sadly we have lots of experience and very little youth. If we want a mobile forward capable of leading the line, we should in for Brewster or Delap on loan. Edit - I don't believe this fletcher link for a second.
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2020 10:35:58 GMT
If Steven Fletcher is our level of interest at 18k a week, we have learnt nothing at all. He's 33 for christ sake. This board has been crying out for pace in our players not decrepit snails. He'd struggle to get in the Sunderland team at the moment and that's saying something. You have a point but he did score 13 in 27 last season in a poor side and Wednesday fans liked him. Not fussed that we aren't signing him but he's not absolutely shit either
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2020 10:36:48 GMT
Hal Robson Kanu and Charlie Austin at West Brom? A blend of youth and experience is ideal. Sadly we have lots of experience and very little youth. If we want a mobile forward capable of leading the line, we should in for Brewster or Delap on loan. Edit - I don't believe this fletcher link for a second. Either would be great
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Post by peterpan1 on Aug 6, 2020 10:42:29 GMT
If Steven Fletcher is our level of interest at 18k a week, we have learnt nothing at all. He's 33 for christ sake. This board has been crying out for pace in our players not decrepit snails. He'd struggle to get in the Sunderland team at the moment and that's saying something. You have a point but he did score 13 in 27 last season in a poor side and Wednesday fans liked him. Not fussed that we aren't signing him but he's not absolutely shit either No denying in his pomp he was a very solid player,certainly not sh*t. I just think on a scale of 1-10 on the excitement scale he's a 2.5 Better value to be had elsewhere me thinks.
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 6, 2020 10:54:03 GMT
Be just like Stoke to offer him a bumper 2 year deal😩
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 6, 2020 10:55:10 GMT
It is worth pointing out that he was very good for Wednesday last season!
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 6, 2020 10:57:14 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 6, 2020 11:01:50 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 6, 2020 11:03:02 GMT
If this is true then the so called Process is the same as ever. They have not moved on at all. Fucking fuming isn't the word.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 11:04:36 GMT
Our club have been guilty of buying bad experienced players over the years. Old players are still useful if they suit the club, the squad make up and how the manager wants to play.
The fact we've signed shite before doesn't make players like Fletcher useless.
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2020 11:05:54 GMT
You have a point but he did score 13 in 27 last season in a poor side and Wednesday fans liked him. Not fussed that we aren't signing him but he's not absolutely shit either No denying in his pomp he was a very solid player,certainly not sh*t. I just think on a scale of 1-10 on the excitement scale he's a 2.5 Better value to be had elsewhere me thinks. I would have said the same until saw his stats for season just gone + the Weds fans opinions of him £18k per week & free transfer for 13 goals, £10k+ cheaper than Gregory & twice the goals better value than you suggest I would say however it's surely a buyers market this summer is there better value out there? quite possibly
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Post by datguy on Aug 6, 2020 11:06:06 GMT
I'm not sure he offers anything Vokes or even Gregory don't.
He's just another lumbering forward. And he's 33. Big meh signing.
Glenn Murray comes to mind. Could be a brilliant signing but at this very moment in time we've got to be dubious.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 6, 2020 11:06:50 GMT
Our club have been guilty of buying bad experienced players over the years. Old players are still useful if they suit the club, the squad make up and how the manager wants to play. The fact we've signed shite before doesn't make players like Fletcher useless. Yeah, I think it's dangerous to throw them all in one pile. He was really good for Wednesday last season according to their fans. He isn't 'hungry' though, is he? And that's been the watchword. And it's impossible to see him and Vokes ever playing together - and if he comes he hasn't come to sit on the bench (when he's fit!)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 6, 2020 11:06:56 GMT
This would indefensible wankery and thats that.
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2020 11:07:26 GMT
If this is true then the so called Process is the same as ever. They have not moved on at all. Fucking fuming isn't the word. well, they have before it was 5 year deals on £50/£60/£70k per week & £18m deals now it's 2 year deals & £18k a week on a free transfer completely different isn't it?
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Post by datguy on Aug 6, 2020 11:08:13 GMT
If this is true then the so called Process is the same as ever. They have not moved on at all. Fucking fuming isn't the word. well, they have before it was 5 year deals on £50/£60/£70k per week & £18m deals now it's 2 year deals & £18k a week on a free transfer completely different isn't it? That doesn't prove it isn't the same process though. If anything it just proves the process is and will be shit.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 6, 2020 11:09:12 GMT
But is the process any more complicated than MON has the power and he thinks Fletcher is the best striker he can get with his budget?
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2020 11:09:40 GMT
well, they have before it was 5 year deals on £50/£60/£70k per week & £18m deals now it's 2 year deals & £18k a week on a free transfer completely different isn't it? That doesn't prove it isn't the same process though. If anything it just proves the process is and will be shit. . You've lost me If he's a bad signing then he's a bad signing but it looks like a completely different transfer strategy to me
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Post by datguy on Aug 6, 2020 11:09:45 GMT
Does anybody know if he was let go by Sheff Weds because they weren't offering him anything or by his own volition?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 11:10:26 GMT
Our club have been guilty of buying bad experienced players over the years. Old players are still useful if they suit the club, the squad make up and how the manager wants to play. The fact we've signed shite before doesn't make players like Fletcher useless. Yeah, I think it's dangerous to throw them all in one pile. He was really good for Wednesday last season according to their fans. He isn't 'hungry' though, is he? And that's been the watchword. And it's impossible to see him and Vokes ever playing together - and if he comes he hasn't come to sit on the bench (when he's fit!) Maybe we've found a buyer for Vokes and Gregory? I'm not sure and we won't know what is what until the window has closed in October will we? The only nagging worry in the back of my mind is Chester and will he be another signing like that?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 6, 2020 11:10:45 GMT
Does anybody know if he was let go by Sheff Weds because they weren't offering him anything or by his own volition? Turned down their offer and even bailed out on them post-lockdown
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Post by datguy on Aug 6, 2020 11:11:06 GMT
That doesn't prove it isn't the same process though. If anything it just proves the process is and will be shit. . You've lost me If he's a bad signing then he's a bad signing but it looks like a completely different transfer strategy to me We signed shite on frees last year - how is this any different? Yes, he could be a good signing. But the process seems the exact same.
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Post by Gods on Aug 6, 2020 11:11:22 GMT
I'm not sure he offers anything Vokes or even Gregory don't. He's just another lumbering forward. And he's 33. Big meh signing. Glenn Murray comes to mind. Could be a brilliant signing but at this very moment in time we've got to be dubious. I've read this whole thread thinking he is Glenn Murray, only just realised they are 2 different people !!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 11:11:42 GMT
Celtic were favourites for Ivan Toney but seems to have gone quiet as well.
Not a particular fan of Fletcher but seems Celtic were offering him a 1 year deal
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 6, 2020 11:14:05 GMT
Disappointingly bad start to the window if true.
As said above, he's a good pro, had a good write up from the SW fans by & large and his tally is none too shabby.
But ...
33, injuries and given the other FWDs already here ... just what are we thinking?
I'd rather have a damn good go at rehabilitating Afobe.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 6, 2020 11:21:06 GMT
If this is true then the so called Process is the same as ever. They have not moved on at all. Fucking fuming isn't the word. well, they have before it was 5 year deals on £50/£60/£70k per week & £18m deals now it's 2 year deals & £18k a week on a free transfer completely different isn't it? The deals are not as long because we are playing at a lower level. And obviously the wages won't be as high. The difference being that we were signing younger players and trying to protect our own investment by not letting them run into the last year of their deal, hence Nzonzi & Begovic. We have now seemed to move our sights to over the hill mercenaries looking for a final pay day at our expense. Ashley Williams, Sam Vokes,Stephen Ward, Mark Duffy and the likes of Steven Fletcher are pretty pointless you might as well just chuck your money on a fire.They won't help to take you anywhere other than backwards!
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 6, 2020 11:23:50 GMT
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/barry-bannans-celtic-no-brainer-22463279“ Steven is one of the best strikers I’ve ever played with. He’s one of those players who, until you actually play alongside him, you don’t understand how good he is.
“I thought before that with all the headed goals he scores, he was just a big striker type, but you play alongside him and realise he’s nothing like that.
“His ability with his feet is second to none and he is really the all-round striker.
“It’s no-brainer to sign Fletch. The way the world is at the minute with the pandemic you’re not going to be able to spend really big money no matter what club you are because of the damage caused by no games or crowds.
“So when you have a player as good as him available on a free transfer it seems obvious to me.
“Last season and a half he was unbelievable. We were third at Christmas last season and ended up dropping down the table after he got injured. That was a big part of why we fell away. We missed him.
“It’s not just his ability, it’s his approach off the park. His diet and work off the park make him a model professional. He’s in the gym two and three times a day.
“That’s probably why he’s reaping the rewards and I know from speaking with him that was the fittest he’s been and the most games he’s played in a season for a while during last year.
“The injury in January was unfortunate but the way he looks after himself now is brilliant and so is the way he is around the training ground.
“Steven is a good personality to have around and his professionalism rubbed off on to many of the other boys within the squad.
“He got a gym group together. A lot of the boys looked up to Fletch with the career that he’s had. You could see them thinking, ‘If it’s good enough for him it’ll be good enough for us’.
“It was a shame we couldn’t keep him because I’d have said he was one of the best in the Championship last season.”
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