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Post by tachyon on Aug 15, 2020 10:46:16 GMT
Strikers are somewhat dependent on the service they get. Bannan & Reach have been numerically the most prolific suppliers of chances to Fletcher and 2018/19 was an uncharacteristically good year for the Reach/Fletcher combo. The former created more xG chances for the latter in 2018/19 than he did in the other three seasons combined. Got it now, I think, it's conversion rate per chance. So for example '0.25 per 90' means you converted 25% of your last 90 chances? Sorry mate, per 90 means per 90 minutes. My fault for slipping into stats speak :-) So 0.25 per 90 means that on average you get on the end of 0.25 xG per 90 minutes or 1 xG per 360 minutes (4 completed games). If you're unlucky you might not score at all in those 4 games, but the fact that you're getting decent chances makes it likely that you will eventually start to score at rates that are close to your expected goals rate. So teams who use such statistics will tend to look at a player's xG/90 as an indicator of their underlying performance levels, rather than their actual goals scored. Non penalty figures are used because penalties are a team stat, the only thing you do to add the penalty xG to your numbers is pick the ball up and place it on the spot.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 15, 2020 10:46:25 GMT
33? He’s just a kiddie!
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 15, 2020 10:50:37 GMT
This is probably similar to a Crouch signing at a lower level. Not a player who has ever really had pace but strong aerially and pretty decent feet. Good at holding the ball from deep and bringing others into play. Probably will get more goals than Vokes & Gregory combined barring injury. We will have to wait & see.
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Post by tachyon on Aug 15, 2020 10:56:41 GMT
I think I get it now, has nothing to do with chance conversion rate? Lots of randomness in conversion rates. See how often you flip 5 heads from ten attempts. Don't buy players who've scored 10 goals from a total xG of 8, buy the one who's scored 8 from an xG of 10 in the same minutes. He'll probably be cheaper as well.
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Post by owlfan on Aug 15, 2020 11:11:59 GMT
You’ve signed a peach.
Yes Fletcher is no spring chicken but he is a model pro and was fitter, faster and stronger for this season than his previous seasons at Hillsborough. If he avoids injury and O’Neill uses him sensibly you will be thrilled with him. Bravery & bags of skill.
Faster than you think. Terrific in the air. His movement is superb. Tough as old boots. Horrible for opposing defences. Works well if you play a lone-striker, but even better as the big fella in a front two. His partnerships with Hooper then more recently Rhodes were fantastically productive. He improves the partner and the whole team. Rhodes has been a dud for us, but partnered with Fletcher transforms him into a goalscorer and our team record becomes top two level.
He’s also brilliant defending set-pieces. Takes a mean penalty too.
I’m envious. You’ll be converted if you are not happy with him signing.
Hope he does well for you, except the two games against us of course.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 15, 2020 11:17:57 GMT
You’ve signed a peach. Yes Fletcher is no spring chicken but he is a model pro and was fitter, faster and stronger for this season than his previous seasons at Hillsborough. If he avoids injury and O’Neill uses him sensibly you will be thrilled with him. Bravery & bags of skill. Faster than you think. Terrific in the air. His movement is superb. Tough as old boots. Horrible for opposing defences. Works well if you play a lone-striker, but even better as the big fella in a front two. His partnerships with Hooper then more recently Rhodes were fantastically productive. He improves the partner and the whole team. Rhodes has been a dud for us, but partnered with Fletcher transforms him into a goalscorer and our team record becomes top two level. He’s also brilliant defending set-pieces. Takes a mean penalty too. I’m envious. You’ll be converted if you are not happy with him signing. Hope he does well for you, except the two games against us of course. Thanks. That's really encouraging Was reading the Wednesday forum, and it was all positive stuff before the mood understandably soured as he refused to extend post-lockdown. It seems like the second half of his Wednesday spell was better than his first couple of seasons. I wonder if he is actually getting better with age?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 15, 2020 11:20:02 GMT
You’ve signed a peach. Yes Fletcher is no spring chicken but he is a model pro and was fitter, faster and stronger for this season than his previous seasons at Hillsborough. If he avoids injury and O’Neill uses him sensibly you will be thrilled with him. Bravery & bags of skill. Faster than you think. Terrific in the air. His movement is superb. Tough as old boots. Horrible for opposing defences. Works well if you play a lone-striker, but even better as the big fella in a front two. His partnerships with Hooper then more recently Rhodes were fantastically productive. He improves the partner and the whole team. Rhodes has been a dud for us, but partnered with Fletcher transforms him into a goalscorer and our team record becomes top two level. He’s also brilliant defending set-pieces. Takes a mean penalty too. I’m envious. You’ll be converted if you are not happy with him signing. Hope he does well for you, except the two games against us of course. Certainly sounds like a much better Vokes.
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Post by owlfan on Aug 15, 2020 11:21:07 GMT
I’d be amazed if we sold Afobe the way O’Neill has been talking him up Afobe has a major attitude problem; his body language shouted it when he played for us. He hasn't scored a significant number of goals for 4 seasons. MON is clearly trying to butter him up to make him feel loved and wanted, but Fletcher is far more the type of player MON wants to us to build a successful team. I suggest you focus on his 18/19 and 19/20 seasons. Also his partnerships with Hooper and Rhodes. For much of his first season Fletcher was partnered with Forestieri. He’s a greedy two-hat and NOBODY scores partnering Forestieri. It’s freaky - team goals completely dry up when he plays up top. (Bizarre cos when he plays wide he and the team score for fun). Fletcher’s stats for these past two seasons are excellent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 11:22:12 GMT
Afobe has a major attitude problem; his body language shouted it when he played for us. He hasn't scored a significant number of goals for 4 seasons. MON is clearly trying to butter him up to make him feel loved and wanted, but Fletcher is far more the type of player MON wants to us to build a successful team. I suggest you focus on his 18/19 and 19/20 seasons. Also his partnerships with Hooper and Rhodes. For much of his first season Fletcher was partnered with Forestieri. He’s a greedy two-hat and NOBODY scores partnering Forestieri. It’s freaky - team goals completely dry up when he plays up top. (Bizarre cos when he plays wide he and the team score for fun). Fletcher’s stats for these past two seasons are excellent. Hi there, what is your opinion on Morgan Fox?
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Post by owlfan on Aug 15, 2020 11:26:56 GMT
You’ve signed a peach. Yes Fletcher is no spring chicken but he is a model pro and was fitter, faster and stronger for this season than his previous seasons at Hillsborough. If he avoids injury and O’Neill uses him sensibly you will be thrilled with him. Bravery & bags of skill. Faster than you think. Terrific in the air. His movement is superb. Tough as old boots. Horrible for opposing defences. Works well if you play a lone-striker, but even better as the big fella in a front two. His partnerships with Hooper then more recently Rhodes were fantastically productive. He improves the partner and the whole team. Rhodes has been a dud for us, but partnered with Fletcher transforms him into a goalscorer and our team record becomes top two level. He’s also brilliant defending set-pieces. Takes a mean penalty too. I’m envious. You’ll be converted if you are not happy with him signing. Hope he does well for you, except the two games against us of course. Thanks. That's really encouraging Was reading the Wednesday forum, and it was all positive stuff before the mood understandably soured as he refused to extend post-lockdown. It seems like the second half of his Wednesday spell was better than his first couple of seasons. I wonder if he is actually getting better with age? There’s a lot of bitterness about Fletcher leaving and not signing a short extension to see the season out. You’ll have read several posters saying he feigned injury in the first post-shutdown game. Panic not - it’s ballax. He’s an absolute Trojan. In fact, if he has a fault it’s that he tries TOO HARD. Puts his head into flying boots and chases down and tackles full-backs where really he’d be better advised standing clear. He’ll be a Stoke favourite after one or two games.
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Post by owlfan on Aug 15, 2020 11:31:56 GMT
I suggest you focus on his 18/19 and 19/20 seasons. Also his partnerships with Hooper and Rhodes. For much of his first season Fletcher was partnered with Forestieri. He’s a greedy two-hat and NOBODY scores partnering Forestieri. It’s freaky - team goals completely dry up when he plays up top. (Bizarre cos when he plays wide he and the team score for fun). Fletcher’s stats for these past two seasons are excellent. Hi there, what is your opinion on Morgan Fox? Has he signed too? Recently he’s been excellent. A proper full-back. Physical, brave, excellent in the air. In fact so good in the air that he’s played CB and been very decent. Moderate pace but certainly not slow. He’ll be one of the fittest in your team. Eye for a goal. Very dangerous from set-pieces. Scored some brave crackers for us. When he first signed it was weird. He’d play a really good game then turn up like Dillon from Magic Roundabout the next game. But that’s gone - never less than good and often excellent. Attacks well up the left-wing. Puts his crosses over first time, usually with some menace.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 15, 2020 11:33:44 GMT
Hi there, what is your opinion on Morgan Fox? Has he signed too? Recently he’s been excellent. A proper full-back. Physical, brave, excellent in the air. In fact so good in the air that he’s played CB and been very decent. Moderate pace but certainly not slow. He’ll be one of the fittest in your team. Eye for a goal. Very dangerous from set-pieces. Scored some brave crackers for us. When he first signed it was weird. He’d play a really good game then turn up like Dillon from Magic Roundabout the next game. But that’s gone - never less than good and often excellent. Attacks well up the left-wing. Puts his crosses over first time, usually with some menace. You can post more often if you're going to be this positive!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 11:34:09 GMT
Hi there, what is your opinion on Morgan Fox? Has he signed too? Recently he’s been excellent. A proper full-back. Physical, brave, excellent in the air. In fact so good in the air that he’s played CB and been very decent. Moderate pace but certainly not slow. He’ll be one of the fittest in your team. Eye for a goal. Very dangerous from set-pieces. Scored some brave crackers for us. When he first signed it was weird. He’d play a really good game then turn up like Dillon from Magic Roundabout the next game. But that’s gone - never less than good and often excellent. Attacks well up the left-wing. Puts his crosses over first time, usually with some menace. Yes, he was our first signing last week. I'm starting to get a bit suspicious though. You're positivity is off the scale, which is starting to make me nervous.
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Post by owlfan on Aug 15, 2020 11:37:17 GMT
Has he signed too? Recently he’s been excellent. A proper full-back. Physical, brave, excellent in the air. In fact so good in the air that he’s played CB and been very decent. Moderate pace but certainly not slow. He’ll be one of the fittest in your team. Eye for a goal. Very dangerous from set-pieces. Scored some brave crackers for us. When he first signed it was weird. He’d play a really good game then turn up like Dillon from Magic Roundabout the next game. But that’s gone - never less than good and often excellent. Attacks well up the left-wing. Puts his crosses over first time, usually with some menace. You can post more often if you're going to be this positive! Haha. Fox and Fletcher were shoe-ins to be top 3 in our PoTY votes. If you nick the other one, Dominic Iorfa, you drop to 92nd in my Favourite English Club list.
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Post by owlfan on Aug 15, 2020 11:39:39 GMT
Has he signed too? Recently he’s been excellent. A proper full-back. Physical, brave, excellent in the air. In fact so good in the air that he’s played CB and been very decent. Moderate pace but certainly not slow. He’ll be one of the fittest in your team. Eye for a goal. Very dangerous from set-pieces. Scored some brave crackers for us. When he first signed it was weird. He’d play a really good game then turn up like Dillon from Magic Roundabout the next game. But that’s gone - never less than good and often excellent. Attacks well up the left-wing. Puts his crosses over first time, usually with some menace. Yes, he was our first signing last week. I'm starting to get a bit suspicious though. You're positivity is off the scale, which is starting to make me nervous. Oh I can be MUCH less positive about some of our other players.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 11:40:12 GMT
You can post more often if you're going to be this positive! Haha. Fox and Fletcher were shoe-ins to be top 3 in our PoTY votes. If you nick the other one, Dominic Iorfa, you drop to 92nd in my Favourite English Club list. I've followed Iorfa a lot since he put in a storming MOTM performance against us for Wolves in the FA Cup. Our winger at the time, Marko Arnautovic, couldn't get past him he was that good. I'd love him here.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 15, 2020 11:40:53 GMT
You can post more often if you're going to be this positive! Haha. Fox and Fletcher were shoe-ins to be top 3 in our PoTY votes. If you nick the other one, Dominic Iorfa, you drop to 92nd in my Favourite English Club list. Iorfa was outstanding against us in a cup match once upon a time for wolves. Followed his career closely since then and he was excellent in both games v us last season. Really like him as a player. Love coming to Hillsborough as an away fan and if you keep posting such positivity and keep giving us your best players, I'll like sheff wed even more
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 15, 2020 12:16:55 GMT
With all of these "great" players in the team last season must make Gary Monk one really wank manager. Or am I missing something? Gouranga.
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Post by owlfan on Aug 15, 2020 13:00:32 GMT
With all of these "great" players in the team last season must make Gary Monk one really wank manager. Or am I missing something? Gouranga. I would class Fletcher as a pretty great Championship striker. Fox I would class as a good Championship LB. If you take a look at Wednesday’s results with Fletcher in the side this season, we’d finish top six. Without Fletcher we’d have finished rock bottom, about 15 points off 23rd!!! Your issue with Fletcher is if you play him Saturday-Midweek-Saturday all season. (and O’Neill will be tempted, hes that good). At some point he breaks. As for Monk, we think he’s hopeless, but he’s staying, so he’ll get our support....for a while.
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Post by GallysGuitar on Aug 15, 2020 13:06:04 GMT
How did it get to a stage where Fox was being sarcastically cheered when subbed off? With all of these "great" players in the team last season must make Gary Monk one really wank manager. Or am I missing something? Gouranga. I would class Fletcher as a pretty great Championship striker. Fox I would class as a good Championship LB. If you take a look at Wednesday’s results with Fletcher in the side this season, we’d finish top six. Without Fletcher we’d have finished rock bottom, about 15 points off 23rd!!! Your issue with Fletcher is if you play him Saturday-Midweek-Saturday all season. (and O’Neill will be tempted, hes that good). At some point he breaks. As for Monk, we think he’s hopeless, but he’s staying, so he’ll get our support....for a while.
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Post by GallysGuitar on Aug 15, 2020 13:06:54 GMT
How did it get to a stage where Fox being subbed was met with sarcastic cheers? I would class Fletcher as a pretty great Championship striker. Fox I would class as a good Championship LB. If you take a look at Wednesday’s results with Fletcher in the side this season, we’d finish top six. Without Fletcher we’d have finished rock bottom, about 15 points off 23rd!!! Your issue with Fletcher is if you play him Saturday-Midweek-Saturday all season. (and O’Neill will be tempted, hes that good). At some point he breaks. As for Monk, we think he’s hopeless, but he’s staying, so he’ll get our support....for a while.
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Post by owlfan on Aug 15, 2020 13:24:05 GMT
How did it get to a stage where Fox was being sarcastically cheered when subbed off? I would class Fletcher as a pretty great Championship striker. Fox I would class as a good Championship LB. If you take a look at Wednesday’s results with Fletcher in the side this season, we’d finish top six. Without Fletcher we’d have finished rock bottom, about 15 points off 23rd!!! Your issue with Fletcher is if you play him Saturday-Midweek-Saturday all season. (and O’Neill will be tempted, hes that good). At some point he breaks. As for Monk, we think he’s hopeless, but he’s staying, so he’ll get our support....for a while. In his first season with us he had some off the scale hopeless games, as I said in my first reply about him. For the past year or so he has been much better so the fan hatred had gone.
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 15, 2020 16:15:55 GMT
I see that this rumour about Steven Fletcher is certainly persistent and we are still being linked with him. I doubt that a signing will ever happen!
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Post by potters11 on Aug 15, 2020 16:49:14 GMT
Random person from Hampshire who hasn't tweeted for 6 months just out of the blue asking for the odds on Fletcher joining Stoke? Bit odd as there haven't been any new links, but obviously could be nothing. Certainly doesn't look like he's going to Celtic though. The best contributor we have to the board bar none for gems like this. Thanks for all you do :-)
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Post by liathroid on Aug 19, 2020 20:18:38 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2020 18:41:23 GMT
Very encouraging little cameo.
Interesting comment from Lawrence on Radio Stoke in the build-up.
"I spoke to Rory in the week and he said Fletcher has been unbelievable in training - he said some of the things he's done have been next level compared to anything he's seen over the last 18-24 months"
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 29, 2020 18:53:44 GMT
Fletcher thrives off chances and we don’t create any chances, so he’s fucking useless
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Post by stokebloke on Aug 29, 2020 19:04:54 GMT
Fletcher thrives off chances and we don’t create any chances, so he’s fucking useless "Wrong"
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 29, 2020 19:04:59 GMT
Good player
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 29, 2020 19:06:59 GMT
Fletcher thrives off chances and we don’t create any chances, so he’s fucking useless "Wrong" Why is it “wrong” ?
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