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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 2, 2020 23:04:37 GMT
Ideas of supremacy are contagious. Colonialism was like a pan global exercise in Dunning Kruger. Europeans did as much as possible to erase the cultures of the Americas to back up the delusion we were anything but more advanced in a few technologies and methods of violence. Just one Bishop destroyed all but a handful of the pre colonial writing system of the Americas. What a terrible fate to be colonised by sociopathic, book burning supremacists. Kinnell mate.. I'm only a semi competent project engineer from Smallthorne who got five o levels in 1969. ππ I've googled your Dunning Kruger and it seems a bit out of my league.π Think I get your drift though. :) I'm only ranting an internet education myself. I just mean Europeans arrived thinking they were the bees knees and it was their right to take over and "civilise", while actuslly acting like savages. In the US it culminated in the idea it was settlers "manifest destiny" to steel the whole continent. The trauma of this and slavery run right through the history and current events are built on it. I probanly get het up because I love the Americas despite the brutally violent history and have travelled all over.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 23:12:35 GMT
An innocent white girl hacked to death by an immigrant. Are you going to protest that? Does your lonely brain cell ping of your skull and give you headaches? I actually can't believe some of the shit posted on here. I know its been said already but There well within there right to be angry. 400 years of racism. 12 million dead slaves (over a million just on the boats) to the modern day equivalent where unarmed minorities are killed for what? A suspected forged note? Selling cigarettes? The list goes on. I suggest you go watch footage of the rodney king beating that happened in 91. Yet again unarmed. The list is endless. Sick to death of this what about white bollocks. We've destroyed cultures to the brink of extinction. We've got no right to be racially angry about anything.Its heart wrenching hearing about that little girl but it is rather irrelevant. How many white people have missed out on a job because of there colour? How many have seen people cross the street in fear? How many are racially profiled by law enforcement and people on a daily? It doesn't happen. On the subject of the actual protests. How the police are handling the situation is utterly barbaric. I've seen far to many videos of peaceful people being shot point blank towards the face with tear gas cans and rubber bullets. They even maced a senator for god sake. There is numerous videos of police attacking media and medics and even planting pallets of bricks near protests knowing full well once riled they'd be used and justified in using excess force. Theres so video evidence of police egging on vandals, destroying there own and random cars as well as shop fronts. Evidence of them keeping protesters outside in cable tie cuffs for over 12hrs with no food or water or access to a bathroom, some pissed themselves, some had seizures. America has at this moment a human rights issue. To say any of these actions can be justified is actually beyond belief. "We"? Who exactly elected you to speak on behalf of white people?
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Post by happychappy on Jun 3, 2020 5:09:40 GMT
Does your lonely brain cell ping of your skull and give you headaches? I actually can't believe some of the shit posted on here. I know its been said already but There well within there right to be angry. 400 years of racism. 12 million dead slaves (over a million just on the boats) to the modern day equivalent where unarmed minorities are killed for what? A suspected forged note? Selling cigarettes? The list goes on. I suggest you go watch footage of the rodney king beating that happened in 91. Yet again unarmed. The list is endless. Sick to death of this what about white bollocks. We've destroyed cultures to the brink of extinction. We've got no right to be racially angry about anything.Its heart wrenching hearing about that little girl but it is rather irrelevant. How many white people have missed out on a job because of there colour? How many have seen people cross the street in fear? How many are racially profiled by law enforcement and people on a daily? It doesn't happen. On the subject of the actual protests. How the police are handling the situation is utterly barbaric. I've seen far to many videos of peaceful people being shot point blank towards the face with tear gas cans and rubber bullets. They even maced a senator for god sake. There is numerous videos of police attacking media and medics and even planting pallets of bricks near protests knowing full well once riled they'd be used and justified in using excess force. Theres so video evidence of police egging on vandals, destroying there own and random cars as well as shop fronts. Evidence of them keeping protesters outside in cable tie cuffs for over 12hrs with no food or water or access to a bathroom, some pissed themselves, some had seizures. America has at this moment a human rights issue. To say any of these actions can be justified is actually beyond belief. "We"? Who exactly elected you to speak on behalf of white people? Aww sorry truth a bit much? If there is anything in my statement that untrue feel free to back it up with evidence. Until then yeah I'll use 'we'. Or are you different?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 3, 2020 7:06:12 GMT
ACAB is an extreme left wing acronym? WTF?! If that's the level of your knowledge, I'm not surprised you think the way you do! What way do I think please, saying as you're an expert? π Feel free to pinpoint specific items which I've posted that you disagree with, rather than making attention-seeking blanket responses that add absolutely nothing to the discussion I had with RRP. I may not agree with his stance, but at least he contributed something of substance, unlike yourself. Oh, and ACAB is a grafitti tag favoured by anarchist groups which, last time I checked, were extreme left. www.reddit.com/r/Anarchy101/comments/6sdbf5/what_is_the_reasoning_behind_acab/Anyway, over to you for the psychology analysis, Will Graham...and try to avoid any nail bombing references, you're better than that (I hope) π PS I'd have replied earlier but you seem to be struggling with the quote facility... My reference to the way you think was based on your thinking that ACAB is an extreme left wing acronym. Can't see much evidence of it being an "extreme left wing acronym" here, but if some random bloke's post on reddit provides the "evidence" you need, knock yourself out! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.C.A.B. It does concern me the random personal opinions people rely on as "facts" on here to back up their own opinions...
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Post by thevoid on Jun 3, 2020 10:19:31 GMT
What way do I think please, saying as you're an expert? π Feel free to pinpoint specific items which I've posted that you disagree with, rather than making attention-seeking blanket responses that add absolutely nothing to the discussion I had with RRP. I may not agree with his stance, but at least he contributed something of substance, unlike yourself. Oh, and ACAB is a grafitti tag favoured by anarchist groups which, last time I checked, were extreme left. www.reddit.com/r/Anarchy101/comments/6sdbf5/what_is_the_reasoning_behind_acab/Anyway, over to you for the psychology analysis, Will Graham...and try to avoid any nail bombing references, you're better than that (I hope) π PS I'd have replied earlier but you seem to be struggling with the quote facility... My reference to the way you think was based on your thinking that ACAB is an extreme left wing acronym. Can't see much evidence of it being an "extreme left wing acronym" here, but if some random bloke's post on reddit provides the "evidence" you need, knock yourself out! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.C.A.B. It does concern me the random personal opinions people rely on as "facts" on here to back up their own opinions... Ah right, so the only issue you have with my comments on this thread is one line where I got the origins of a grafitti tag incorrect. Fair enough π
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 3, 2020 11:13:35 GMT
My reference to the way you think was based on your thinking that ACAB is an extreme left wing acronym. Can't see much evidence of it being an "extreme left wing acronym" here, but if some random bloke's post on reddit provides the "evidence" you need, knock yourself out! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.C.A.B. It does concern me the random personal opinions people rely on as "facts" on here to back up their own opinions... Ah right, so the only issue you have with my comments on this thread is one line where I got the origins of a grafitti tag incorrect. Fair enough π I haven't read all your comments on this thread, nor those of everyone else. I did, however, see your comment that ACAB was an extreme left wing acronym, which you backed up with some unknown bloke's opinion on reddit. Both of which made me laugh. Hence the comments applied to them. As far as I can see ACAB is just something people who have been nicked get inked with or spray as graffiti as a way of 'getting back' at the coppers who put them away. But if there is an extreme leftwing derivation to it than can be provided outside of some random' guy's opinion, I'm happy to be corrected.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jun 3, 2020 11:42:22 GMT
can't believe how few people here, if any, observed Blackout Tuesday. is it just too far away in everyone's heads? all unions did at least something, is it because outside the public sector we're just not unionised?? sad to see anyway, this is everyone's battle
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 3, 2020 11:53:48 GMT
can't believe how few people here, if any, observed Blackout Tuesday. is it just too far away in everyone's heads? all unions did at least something, is it because outside the public sector we're just not unionised?? sad to see anyway, this is everyone's battle Wasnt Black out Tuesday an industry initiative that they wouldnt post industry posts? I dont think it was meant that people should stop the discussion of these issues on social media platforms. I saw a lot of posts to this effect from blm activists.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 3, 2020 11:56:54 GMT
can't believe how few people here, if any, observed Blackout Tuesday. is it just too far away in everyone's heads? all unions did at least something, is it because outside the public sector we're just not unionised?? sad to see anyway, this is everyone's battle Wasnt Black out Tuesday an industry initiative that they wouldnt post industry posts? I dont think it was meant that people should stop the discussion of these issues on social media platforms. I saw a lot of posts to this effect from blm activists.
Correct but then people were asked to post black squares on social media instead of making comments about the situation.
Many black activists, artists, musicians, actors etc. were totally against it, as it simply meant that there was basically no coverage at all of what is happening in the US for 24 hours, and the fact that no-one had any real idea where the idea originally came from meant it was quite possibly simply a way of the US creating a media blackout because of what an international embarrassment the situation has become, and nothing to do with supporting any cause at all.
As many said, they all want us all around the world to see exactly what is going on day by day over there, not have it hidden for 24 hours as posting a black square achieves literally nothing; people around the world seeing the truth of what is happening however, may achieve something.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Jun 3, 2020 12:36:22 GMT
can't believe how few people here, if any, observed Blackout Tuesday. is it just too far away in everyone's heads? all unions did at least something, is it because outside the public sector we're just not unionised?? sad to see anyway, this is everyone's battle I went out and supported the protesters as they came down 2nd Ave by my apartment in New York. 1000's all very peaceful and well organized but the 8pm curfew is annoying on top of C-19. Went for a walk over to Madison and about 1/2 the stores are boarded up now, depressing. The scenes of Trump walking over to the church with a prop bible and peaceful protestors being assaulted were truly awful.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 3, 2020 13:06:00 GMT
Wonder what time the looting starts?
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 3, 2020 13:09:51 GMT
Wasnt Black out Tuesday an industry initiative that they wouldnt post industry posts? I dont think it was meant that people should stop the discussion of these issues on social media platforms. I saw a lot of posts to this effect from blm activists.
Correct but then people were asked to post black squares on social media instead of making comments about the situation.
Many black activists, artists, musicians, actors etc. were totally against it, as it simply meant that there was basically no coverage at all of what is happening in the US for 24 hours, and the fact that no-one had any real idea where the idea originally came from meant it was quite possibly simply a way of the US creating a media blackout because of what an international embarrassment the situation has become, and nothing to do with supporting any cause at all.
As many said, they all want us all around the world to see exactly what is going on day by day over there, not have it hidden for 24 hours as posting a black square achieves literally nothing; people around the world seeing the truth of what is happening however, may achieve something.
The original initiative emanated from the music industry as a way for that industry sector to demonstrate solidarity (I'm led to believe that it was two female POC who came up with the idea). Those criticisms you mention arose from others outside the music industry co-opting it and using the #blacklivesmatter hashtag as opposed to the #blackouttuesday one, thus obscuring actual footage and coverage of the terrible things coming out of the US that are shared using that hashtag. In short, the whole 'black square' thing was only ever supposed to be the music industry's (artists, promoters, venues, record labels and the like) way of showing its support, but then millions of others got wind of it and joined in. Whilst the intentions of the masses of people posting was no doubt genuine, the whole thing ended up counter-productive and led to many prominent figures from the worlds of sport, media, entertainment etc calling for Joe public to instead share resources on counteracting racism, works by black authors and academics etc instead, or to edit their black square posts to remove the hashtags.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 3, 2020 13:47:38 GMT
Correct but then people were asked to post black squares on social media instead of making comments about the situation.
Many black activists, artists, musicians, actors etc. were totally against it, as it simply meant that there was basically no coverage at all of what is happening in the US for 24 hours, and the fact that no-one had any real idea where the idea originally came from meant it was quite possibly simply a way of the US creating a media blackout because of what an international embarrassment the situation has become, and nothing to do with supporting any cause at all.
As many said, they all want us all around the world to see exactly what is going on day by day over there, not have it hidden for 24 hours as posting a black square achieves literally nothing; people around the world seeing the truth of what is happening however, may achieve something.
The original initiative emanated from the music industry as a way for that industry sector to demonstrate solidarity (I'm led to believe that it was two female POC who came up with the idea). Those criticisms you mention arose from others outside the music industry co-opting it and using the #blacklivesmatter hashtag as opposed to the #blackouttuesday one, thus obscuring actual footage and coverage of the terrible things coming out of the US that are shared using that hashtag. In short, the whole 'black square' thing was only ever supposed to be the music industry's (artists, promoters, venues, record labels and the like) way of showing its support, but then millions of others got wind of it and joined in. Whilst the intentions of the masses of people posting was no doubt genuine, the whole thing ended up counter-productive and led to many prominent figures from the worlds of sport, media, entertainment etc calling for Joe public to instead share resources on counteracting racism, works by black authors and academics etc instead, or to edit their black square posts to remove the hashtags.
Good info!
Cheers for that dwc, appreciated. I always like (and it's always good and useful in life in general) to be educated by someone who knows more about the whole story than myself.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 3, 2020 14:55:43 GMT
Ah right, so the only issue you have with my comments on this thread is one line where I got the origins of a grafitti tag incorrect. Fair enough π I haven't read all your comments on this thread, nor those of everyone else. I did, however, see your comment that ACAB was an extreme left wing acronym, which you backed up with some unknown bloke's opinion on reddit. Both of which made me laugh. Hence the comments applied to them. As far as I can see ACAB is just something people who have been nicked get inked with or spray as graffiti as a way of 'getting back' at the coppers who put them away. But if there is an extreme leftwing derivation to it than can be provided outside of some random' guy's opinion, I'm happy to be corrected. Strange that you happened to notice that one sentence and jump on it if you weren't really reading the posts correctly, but hey ho. I'm not really interested in you having a laughing fit or not, but do you have any thoughts on the wider discussion RRP and I were having? If you read the thread properly, perhaps we can look forward to a more mature contribution from yourself? π
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 15:11:29 GMT
"We"? Who exactly elected you to speak on behalf of white people? Aww sorry truth a bit much? If there is anything in my statement that untrue feel free to back it up with evidence. Until then yeah I'll use 'we'. Or are you different? Well it's just weird to claim some sort of communal responsibility for killing slaves? Suggest you have a chat with the police if you are actually responsible for killing slaves with the rest of your group (unless it is actually true in which case we can confirm you're talking total shite.) It's one or the other... Weirder still to presume my ethnicity as the same as your marauding group of slave-killers. Best case scenario you're a bit confused about the definition of truth: Truth definition is - the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality. What you're talking about is editorialised opinion.
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Post by heyzeus on Jun 3, 2020 15:27:11 GMT
Any chance I can have a guess as to the content of this thread?
"bUt WhAt AbOUt ThE wHiTe PeOpLe'S liVeS?"
And then people who should know better than to argue with the educationally subnormal on here tying themselves in knots trying to convince racists the error of their ways.
Meanwhile, admin sit idly by while a handful of the worst offenders liberally paraphrase Mein Kampf. 'The statistics show that that lot are just more predisposed to committing crime'.
I'm about 90% of the way there, right?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 3, 2020 16:39:14 GMT
I haven't read all your comments on this thread, nor those of everyone else. I did, however, see your comment that ACAB was an extreme left wing acronym, which you backed up with some unknown bloke's opinion on reddit. Both of which made me laugh. Hence the comments applied to them. As far as I can see ACAB is just something people who have been nicked get inked with or spray as graffiti as a way of 'getting back' at the coppers who put them away. But if there is an extreme leftwing derivation to it than can be provided outside of some random' guy's opinion, I'm happy to be corrected. Strange that you happened to notice that one sentence and jump on it if you weren't really reading the posts correctly, but hey ho. I'm not really interested in you having a laughing fit or not, but do you have any thoughts on the wider discussion RRP and I were having? If you read the thread properly, perhaps we can look forward to a more mature contribution from yourself? π It probably stood out for the daftness of it, as I skimmed through the rest of the thread I think the thread has already dissolved, by and large, from a valid discussion about police brutality, legitimate protesting and rioting into the usual left/right point scoring, not least when someone tries to assign ACAB to leftwing extremism or it becomes a discussion about Antifa, rather than black people protesting about police brutality!
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 3, 2020 16:48:06 GMT
Cunts.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 3, 2020 16:54:28 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 3, 2020 17:14:52 GMT
Appeared to have change his ways and was trying to help people not make the same mistakes he did.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jun 3, 2020 17:15:47 GMT
Are you saying he deserved to die for allegedly using a counterfeit note because he'd done something else unrelated years before he used the counterfeit note? I'm confused
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2020 17:34:02 GMT
Absolute pricks. Do these people have a brain cell between them?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2020 17:36:23 GMT
They should all be quarantined for two weeks at Her majestyβs pleasure
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 3, 2020 17:56:08 GMT
Are you saying he deserved to die for allegedly using a counterfeit note because he'd done something else unrelated years before he used the counterfeit note? I'm confused Absolutely did not deserve to die and hopefully the officer is dealt with accordingly for his inhumane act. Its as if he's a held upon a pedestal because he was unarmed at the time.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jun 3, 2020 18:01:09 GMT
Are you saying he deserved to die for allegedly using a counterfeit note because he'd done something else unrelated years before he used the counterfeit note? I'm confused Absolutely did not deserve to die and hopefully the officer is dealt with accordingly for his inhumane act. Its as if he's a held upon a pedestal because he was unarmed at the time. So why post the tweet then, detailing all his prior misdemeanours (along with the phrase "why am I not surprised?"), if it has no bearing on his treatment by police or death?
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jun 3, 2020 18:36:55 GMT
Absolutely did not deserve to die and hopefully the officer is dealt with accordingly for his inhumane act. Its as if he's a held upon a pedestal because he was unarmed at the time. So why post the tweet then, detailing all his prior misdemeanours (along with the phrase "why am I not surprised?"), if it has no bearing on his treatment by police or death? The βwhy am I not surprised?β is the dumbest part. Might as well have written, βI assume all black men are criminals.β
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 3, 2020 18:56:54 GMT
I know it makes me sound like a soppy twat, but given how absolutely fucking shitty and horrible this planet seems to be right now for various reasons, did anyone else get choked up watching the North Carolina police's approach to policing a peaceful protest....or was it just me?
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Post by thevoid on Jun 3, 2020 18:57:11 GMT
Strange that you happened to notice that one sentence and jump on it if you weren't really reading the posts correctly, but hey ho. I'm not really interested in you having a laughing fit or not, but do you have any thoughts on the wider discussion RRP and I were having? If you read the thread properly, perhaps we can look forward to a more mature contribution from yourself? π It probably stood out for the daftness of it, as I skimmed through the rest of the thread I think the thread has already dissolved, by and large, from a valid discussion about police brutality, legitimate protesting and rioting into the usual left/right point scoring, not least when someone tries to assign ACAB to leftwing extremism or it becomes a discussion about Antifa, rather than black people protesting about police brutality! Antifa were brought into the discussion because the peaceful and justified protests were hijacked by left wing extremist groups (Antifa or otherwise). It was a significant development to the events being discussed so I'm not sure why you're surprised that it came up in a thread about them (especially as some BLM/peaceful protestors made it known that their presence was unwelcome and counterproductive). It's quite telling though, that the two points you've taken issue with are a throwaway comment on ACAB being left wing (and rightly or wrongly, 'All Cops Are Bastards' is a mantra I'd link to anarchists above anyone else) and Antifa even being mentioned at all. All purely coincidental I'm sure π
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Post by thevoid on Jun 3, 2020 19:07:03 GMT
What does this even have to do with the UK government? Why Downing Street? Surely the US Embassy would have made more sense?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 3, 2020 19:16:19 GMT
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