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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 1, 2020 17:50:37 GMT
Antifa are just the scum of the earth, any excuse they seize to have a riot and a scrap with the authorities. Anyone who thinks they are not a more serious threat to law and order than the right is sadly deluded. I think that you are right Matt. Whatever their original intentions and aims I think that anyone who joins now or remains part of it knows their reputation and modus operandi. Is Antifa actually one organisation, or is it just a hold-all name for a lot of generally-left organisations? The way it's talked about is as if it one organisation, but the more I look into it seems I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure we'll see a lot of relatively peaceful organisations designated as 'antifa' in the next few weeks, all in the interest of silencing them because the establishment want them silenced.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jun 1, 2020 18:03:54 GMT
"What do we want?" NO RACISM. "When do we want it?" KILL WHITEY. Who's said this mate?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 1, 2020 19:18:38 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Jun 1, 2020 19:35:49 GMT
This ain't protesting. An old woman trying to protect her store.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 1, 2020 21:09:26 GMT
Great by the Police in this video, America needs more of this.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2020 21:14:59 GMT
I think that you are right Matt. Whatever their original intentions and aims I think that anyone who joins now or remains part of it knows their reputation and modus operandi. Is Antifa actually one organisation, or is it just a hold-all name for a lot of generally-left organisations? The way it's talked about is as if it one organisation, but the more I look into it seems I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure we'll see a lot of relatively peaceful organisations designated as 'antifa' in the next few weeks, all in the interest of silencing them because the establishment want them silenced. I'm pretty certain that won't happen, not with the ill-feeling towards Toxic Trump in the US MSM. If it's a BLM gathering, it'll get labelled as such, same with Extinction Rebellion or the numerous pro-Remain gatherings we saw here. If peaceful gatherings such as these are infiltrated by thugs employing violent tactics from one- or several- extreme left wing groups (as we're currently seeing), then that will quite rightly be reported also. As it would be if the far right turned up. I know what a safer bet is though: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you'll probably try and pass it off as a swan 😎
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Post by Kpsje on Jun 1, 2020 21:23:47 GMT
in memory of george floyd why pay for a pair of nike air jordans, when you can get them for free
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Post by lordb on Jun 1, 2020 21:27:06 GMT
Is Antifa actually one organisation, or is it just a hold-all name for a lot of generally-left organisations? The way it's talked about is as if it one organisation, but the more I look into it seems I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure we'll see a lot of relatively peaceful organisations designated as 'antifa' in the next few weeks, all in the interest of silencing them because the establishment want them silenced. I'm pretty certain that won't happen, not with the ill-feeling towards Toxic Trump in the US MSM. If it's a BLM gathering, it'll get labelled as such, same with Extinction Rebellion or the numerous pro-Remain gatherings we saw here. If peaceful gatherings such as these are infiltrated by thugs employing violent tactics from one- or several- extreme left wing groups (as we're currently seeing), then that will quite rightly be reported also. As it would be if the far right turned up. I know what a safer bet is though: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you'll probably try and pass it off as a swan 😎 Swans are vicious creatures you know
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 1, 2020 21:29:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 22:40:44 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2020 23:10:25 GMT
They have to get rid of Trump.
There’s going to be lots more blood shed on the streets because of that orange lunatic.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 1, 2020 23:22:43 GMT
Is Antifa actually one organisation, or is it just a hold-all name for a lot of generally-left organisations? The way it's talked about is as if it one organisation, but the more I look into it seems I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure we'll see a lot of relatively peaceful organisations designated as 'antifa' in the next few weeks, all in the interest of silencing them because the establishment want them silenced. I'm pretty certain that won't happen, not with the ill-feeling towards Toxic Trump in the US MSM. If it's a BLM gathering, it'll get labelled as such, same with Extinction Rebellion or the numerous pro-Remain gatherings we saw here. If peaceful gatherings such as these are infiltrated by thugs employing violent tactics from one- or several- extreme left wing groups (as we're currently seeing), then that will quite rightly be reported also. As it would be if the far right turned up. I know what a safer bet is though: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you'll probably try and pass it off as a swan 😎 There's still fuck all evidence of that thug's political leanings, as you well know.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 1, 2020 23:25:11 GMT
His brother seems to be speaking with incredible insight and calm, given what they've been through.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 2, 2020 1:04:45 GMT
They have to get rid of Trump. There’s going to be lots more blood shed on the streets because of that orange lunatic. Looks and sounds very much like this nutter has declared war on US citizens. Trying to provoke a civil war/unrest to ensure he holds on to power? Martial law declared, atrocities against his own people just around the corner, free press and dissenting voices subsequently crushed, elections cancelled then the US becomes a dictatorship - that's how these things usually pan out isn't it? Dark times for the USA indeed. I'm just glad he hasn't got the nuclear codes...
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 2, 2020 4:29:52 GMT
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Post by redstriper on Jun 2, 2020 5:56:36 GMT
They have to get rid of Trump. There’s going to be lots more blood shed on the streets because of that orange lunatic. Looks and sounds very much like this nutter has declared war on US citizens. Trying to provoke a civil war/unrest to ensure he holds on to power? Martial law declared, atrocities against his own people just around the corner, free press and dissenting voices subsequently crushed, elections cancelled then the US becomes a dictatorship - that's how these things usually pan out isn't it? Dark times for the USA indeed. I'm just glad he hasn't got the nuclear codes... He is ramping the bigots and extremist people up to increase the problem - because he needs to deflect attention away from his abject handling of the covid crisis, and he wants to stay in power whatever the cost to ordinary citizens. I can see him using this as an excuse for cancelling the election if he can't win it. His next move could be to curb free speech on the internet under the guise of shutting down groups inciting violence...he simply can't handle any criticism. A dangerous megalomaniac in charge, not what the world needs from the USA right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 6:16:51 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 2, 2020 6:26:23 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Jun 2, 2020 9:44:20 GMT
I'm pretty certain that won't happen, not with the ill-feeling towards Toxic Trump in the US MSM. If it's a BLM gathering, it'll get labelled as such, same with Extinction Rebellion or the numerous pro-Remain gatherings we saw here. If peaceful gatherings such as these are infiltrated by thugs employing violent tactics from one- or several- extreme left wing groups (as we're currently seeing), then that will quite rightly be reported also. As it would be if the far right turned up. I know what a safer bet is though: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you'll probably try and pass it off as a swan 😎 There's still fuck all evidence of that thug's political leanings, as you well know. And as I've already told you, you can make an educated guess. Dressed in black, damaging property? That screams anarchist to me, fella. Then factor in Antifa's activities over the last few days beyond this one little video. I'm still not sure why you think some random Nazi would dress in the style of Antifa, attend a scene of civil unrest against the police and smash up a pavement to make projectiles to lob at the police. You're either being obtuse or you're suffering from the traditional 'the left can do no wrong' syndrome which I've seen numerous times on here from the usual suspects regarding other matters.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 2, 2020 9:54:55 GMT
Once again the writers of Judge Dredd saw what was coming years ago 🤔
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 2, 2020 11:18:08 GMT
There's still fuck all evidence of that thug's political leanings, as you well know. And as I've already told you, you can make an educated guess. Dressed in black, damaging property? That screams anarchist to me, fella. Then factor in Antifa's activities over the last few days beyond this one little video. I'm still not sure why you think some random Nazi would dress in the style of Antifa, attend a scene of civil unrest against the police and smash up a pavement to make projectiles to lob at the police. You're either being obtuse or you're suffering from the traditional 'the left can do no wrong' syndrome which I've seen numerous times on here from the usual suspects regarding other matters. Exhibit number 1 your honour: www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456"A Twitter account claiming to belong to a national “antifa” organization and pushing violent rhetoric related to ongoing protests has been linked to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa, according to a Twitter spokesperson." I don't believe that "the left can do no wrong" - as I've said before, the thug smashing the paving stones could well be antifa. Or could well not be. The guy who took the video didn't know, so how can you?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 2, 2020 12:01:39 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 2, 2020 12:34:13 GMT
“When I find out who did it, it’ll be the last thing they do...”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 12:59:12 GMT
For the comments on here saying that rioting and looting are not a part of this and are wrong.
The riots and the looting are happening because people have ceased to give a fuck about the system that doesn't give a fuck about them. If you were black and scared to walk down the street or let your kid walk to the shops for fear of being shot or assaulted by the state's own police force, why would you give a fuck about anything?
It's anger that has been held in for decades.
Voting democrat doesn't work, see Biden's ridiculous statement about aiming for legs. Peaceful protest hasn't worked, see the protests for the last countless number of unlawful police murders. Lobbying congressmen/senators hasn't worked.
So the only remaining option is to cause havoc and hope something changes. In these circumstances it is not as simple as 'you must be completely peaceful and cause no damage' because this is more than just a protest. It's people saying they've had enough.
You don't get positive change by peaceful protest alone, you get it by making the people at the top scared to stay the same.
After MLK was shot, there were riots in over 100 US cities, literally days later, the Civil Rights Act of 1968 was passed in Congress.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 2, 2020 13:01:33 GMT
And as I've already told you, you can make an educated guess. Dressed in black, damaging property? That screams anarchist to me, fella. Then factor in Antifa's activities over the last few days beyond this one little video. I'm still not sure why you think some random Nazi would dress in the style of Antifa, attend a scene of civil unrest against the police and smash up a pavement to make projectiles to lob at the police. You're either being obtuse or you're suffering from the traditional 'the left can do no wrong' syndrome which I've seen numerous times on here from the usual suspects regarding other matters. Exhibit number 1 your honour: www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456"A Twitter account claiming to belong to a national “antifa” organization and pushing violent rhetoric related to ongoing protests has been linked to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa, according to a Twitter spokesperson." I don't believe that "the left can do no wrong" - as I've said before, the thug smashing the paving stones could well be antifa. Or could well not be. The guy who took the video didn't know, so how can you? For the umpteenth time, I don't know for sure but I am making an educated guess based on the laws of probability- ergo, it's highly unlikely that a right wing thug would dress in a similar style to that worn by anarchist/Antifa agitators in the reams of footage I've seen from this and other similar flashpoints previously. And that's before we mention him smashing up paving to create projectiles intended for the police (alluded to by the journalist who originally Tweeted the footage and not this Cheong customer who 'retweeted' it), which we know have underlying issues with racism (some, not all). Isn't ACAB an extreme left wing acronym? Anyway, you're starting to get antsy and we're going round in circles now. I doubt either of us are going to change each other's minds on the subject (another educated guess, I'm afraid), so I'll do my Touker Suleyman impression and say "I'm out. But good luck!" 😊
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Post by skip on Jun 2, 2020 13:56:18 GMT
I think that you are right Matt. Whatever their original intentions and aims I think that anyone who joins now or remains part of it knows their reputation and modus operandi. Is Antifa actually one organisation, or is it just a hold-all name for a lot of generally-left organisations? It's a catch all phrase used by populists to demonise large and small groups.
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Post by skip on Jun 2, 2020 13:58:44 GMT
in memory of george floyd why pay for a pair of nike air jordans, when you can get them for free Feel free to read some decent academic research papers on the politics of looting.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 2, 2020 14:10:06 GMT
ACAB is an extreme left wing acronym?
WTF?!
If that's the level of your knowledge, I'm not surprised you think the way you do!
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Post by hoffgreen on Jun 2, 2020 14:43:53 GMT
in memory of george floyd why pay for a pair of nike air jordans, when you can get them for free Feel free to read some decent academic research papers on the politics of looting. Have you heard about Emily Jones from Bolton?
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Post by hoffgreen on Jun 2, 2020 14:45:14 GMT
ACAB is an extreme left wing acronym? WTF?! If that's the level of your knowledge, I'm not surprised you think the way you do! Have you heard about Emily Jones from Bolton?
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