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Post by bathstoke on May 31, 2020 18:11:17 GMT
Let me be the one to break it to you Drunk. When you voted Brexit, non of this fear of yours is going to go away. By ticking a box nothing will change. Not by ticking a box in a cowardly gesture. I wouldn’t know where to begin to unravel your psyche, but it’s not looking good. You know they can smell your fear... What does Brexit have to do with police racism and protests in the US? I’m so glad you asked. We are both nations at war with ourselves. It’s the Anglo-Saxon curse. You say Saxon I say Anglo. Anglo! Saxon! Anglo! Saxon...
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Post by Cast no shadow on May 31, 2020 18:17:46 GMT
I see nowt about white South African farmers..
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Post by bathstoke on May 31, 2020 18:22:09 GMT
I see nowt about white South African farmers.. I’ve never met a nice S African
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Post by bathstoke on May 31, 2020 18:25:58 GMT
I see nowt about white South African farmers.. Are you aware of where S Africa got its apartheid Ideology from...
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 31, 2020 20:28:22 GMT
Are we still calling them 'protests'? Of course any peaceful protest wouldn't be complete without left wing Antifa showing up. Another couple who own a shop facing the delights of the peaceful protests. Are we still calling them 'police'?
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Post by thisisouryear on May 31, 2020 21:42:49 GMT
Criminal gangs are taking advantage with some organised looting too. What a mess America has become.
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Post by thisisouryear on May 31, 2020 21:59:19 GMT
Are we still calling them 'protests'? Of course any peaceful protest wouldn't be complete without left wing Antifa showing up. Another couple who own a shop facing the delights of the peaceful protests. At the end of this video that guy who gets his teeth knocked out comes running in throwing punches trying to help the others getting beat up. Perhaps a bit more stupid than brave, he's lucky he wasn't killed with that kick in the head.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jun 1, 2020 1:29:34 GMT
I always 'protest' someone being killed by attacking women in wheelchairs, robbing the latest 4k tv, and burning down McDonald's & low income housing... I think at this point so many black people have died, and their anger is fair enough to be honest. Not condoning those specifics you mentioned, but there needs to be some serious shit done to sort this out. Those that followed in the great man MLK did not depend on violence.
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Post by Davef on Jun 1, 2020 8:14:42 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 1, 2020 8:45:33 GMT
Are we still calling them 'police'? Strange post, I don't think anyone is defending the police, are they? I'm certainly not, the ones involved in George's death will hopefully be sent down for a long time, and just in general I'm not a fan of how heavy handed & trigger happy they can be. I'm glad our police over here tend to show much more restraint (Although there are obviously exceptions). Mind you, not all US police are wankers either... And here's more of the genuine protesters turning against the left wing Antifa thugs trying to start trouble.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2020 9:13:35 GMT
What does Brexit have to do with police racism and protests in the US? I’m so glad you asked. We are both nations at war with ourselves. It’s the Anglo-Saxon curse. You say Saxon I say Anglo. Anglo! Saxon! Anglo! Saxon... Nurse, he's off again
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 1, 2020 9:20:03 GMT
Are we still calling them 'protests'? Of course any peaceful protest wouldn't be complete without left wing Antifa showing up. Another couple who own a shop facing the delights of the peaceful protests. Are we still calling them 'police'? I saw that last one yesterday. It goes on & on. Them NYPD are game as £@#& & massive.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 1, 2020 9:54:18 GMT
Are we still calling them 'police'? Strange post, I don't think anyone is defending the police, are they? I'm certainly not, the ones involved in George's death will hopefully be sent down for a long time, and just in general I'm not a fan of how heavy handed & trigger happy they can be. I'm glad our police over here tend to show much more restraint (Although there are obviously exceptions). Mind you, not all US police are wankers either... And here's more of the genuine protesters turning against the left wing Antifa thugs trying to start trouble. What makes you think the guy hacking up the pavement is antifa? I mean no doubt he's a thug and a dick, and he got his comeuppance - but I'm not sure how anyone can tell his political persuasion from that clip. He could just as equally be a far-right thug. Things aren't always as they seem in a riot, particularly on social media.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2020 10:12:28 GMT
Strange post, I don't think anyone is defending the police, are they? I'm certainly not, the ones involved in George's death will hopefully be sent down for a long time, and just in general I'm not a fan of how heavy handed & trigger happy they can be. I'm glad our police over here tend to show much more restraint (Although there are obviously exceptions). Mind you, not all US police are wankers either... And here's more of the genuine protesters turning against the left wing Antifa thugs trying to start trouble. What makes you think the guy hacking up the pavement is antifa? I mean no doubt he's a thug and a dick, and he got his comeuppance - but I'm not sure how anyone can tell his political persuasion from that clip. He could just as equally be a far-right thug. Things aren't always as they seem in a riot, particularly on social media. Maybe because he was dressed in the same manner as all of the other Antifa thugs who have infiltrated the protests? Plus, the guy who filmed it at the scene and posted it is a journalist called Safvan Allahverdi, hardly a name you'd associate with being politically tilted to the right, and posts hashtags such as #BlackLivesMatter, made these comments alongside his video: "Protestors in DC handed the white dude who was about to provocate the protest to the police. He has been arrested and taken away." If he was a far-right thug would he have a beef with the police at the moment? As you say, you can't be 100% sure without being there, but you can do a little digging and also make an educated guess based on prior events.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 1, 2020 10:21:40 GMT
What makes you think the guy hacking up the pavement is antifa? I mean no doubt he's a thug and a dick, and he got his comeuppance - but I'm not sure how anyone can tell his political persuasion from that clip. He could just as equally be a far-right thug. Things aren't always as they seem in a riot, particularly on social media. Maybe because he was dressed in the same manner as all of the other Antifa thugs who have infiltrated the protests? Plus, the guy who filmed it at the scene and posted it made these comments: "Protestors in DC handed the white dude who was about to provocate the protest to the police. He has been arrested and taken away." If he was a far-right thug would he have a beef with the police at the moment? No, but any far-right thug would have a lot of reasons to dress up as antifa and get his mate to film him trashing the place, then post it on social media saying "Look at this antifa thug!". Don't you think? By the way, I'm not ruling out that it is an antifa twat. Just simply that taking something so obviously vague (and, I would guess, something that was designed to be vague) doesn't really offer us any insight.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2020 10:37:30 GMT
Maybe because he was dressed in the same manner as all of the other Antifa thugs who have infiltrated the protests? Plus, the guy who filmed it at the scene and posted it made these comments: "Protestors in DC handed the white dude who was about to provocate the protest to the police. He has been arrested and taken away." If he was a far-right thug would he have a beef with the police at the moment? No, but any far-right thug would have a lot of reasons to dress up as antifa and get his mate to film him trashing the place, then post it on social media saying "Look at this antifa thug!". Don't you think? By the way, I'm not ruling out that it is an antifa twat. Just simply that taking something so obviously vague (and, I would guess, something that was designed to be vague) doesn't really offer us any insight. I've included more info in the post since you quoted it, which is: "the guy who filmed it at the scene and posted it is a journalist called Safvan Allahverdi, hardly a name you'd associate with being politically tilted to the right, who posts hashtags such as #BlackLivesMatter." Look him up, his account is easy to find from the original link jaffa put up. Just click on his name under the video. You have to scroll down a bit to find the video we're discussing
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 1, 2020 12:57:03 GMT
No, but any far-right thug would have a lot of reasons to dress up as antifa and get his mate to film him trashing the place, then post it on social media saying "Look at this antifa thug!". Don't you think? By the way, I'm not ruling out that it is an antifa twat. Just simply that taking something so obviously vague (and, I would guess, something that was designed to be vague) doesn't really offer us any insight. I've included more info in the post since you quoted it, which is: "the guy who filmed it at the scene and posted it is a journalist called Safvan Allahverdi, hardly a name you'd associate with being politically tilted to the right, who posts hashtags such as #BlackLivesMatter." Look him up, his account is easy to find from the original link jaffa put up. Just click on his name under the video. You have to scroll down a bit to find the video we're discussing Safvan Allahverdi says nothing about the guy being antifa on his original tweet: The antifa bit was added in by the guy Ian Miles Cheong who is your bog-standard anti-left Twitter guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 13:10:01 GMT
Seems fair that an interim government should be parachuted in whether America like it or not, what's good for one and all that......
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Post by vokeswagen on Jun 1, 2020 13:12:22 GMT
I see nowt about white South African farmers.. Maybe because this thread is about a man who died 9,000 miles away from South Africa in a different country?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 1, 2020 13:13:05 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 1, 2020 13:40:01 GMT
Sounds like he had a chequered past and was trying to help younger generations not to make the same mistakes he did. It's a shame in his death there will be more young people going down the wrong path and using his name whilst they do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 13:52:55 GMT
You have to wonder what it would take for real systemic change to actually happen. These protests are an outpouring of anger and emotion that's been welling up for years, yet somehow with the President hiding underground you feel that nothing will happen. Voting won't change it, nor will asking congress. It must be so frustrating and bring such helplessness.
With how split the country is over there, and just how entrenched bigotry is in American culture, you could see far worse happening in the coming years.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 1, 2020 14:24:28 GMT
You have to wonder what it would take for real systemic change to actually happen. These protests are an outpouring of anger and emotion that's been welling up for years, yet somehow with the President hiding underground you feel that nothing will happen. Voting won't change it, nor will asking congress. It must be so frustrating and bring such helplessness. With how split the country is over there, and just how entrenched bigotry is in American culture, you could see far worse happening in the coming years. Trump just seems to encourage it, he's disgusting. I will be surprised if the election goes ahead in November. A civil war would be good for Trump if he wants to take full control, he's insane enough.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2020 14:56:34 GMT
I've included more info in the post since you quoted it, which is: "the guy who filmed it at the scene and posted it is a journalist called Safvan Allahverdi, hardly a name you'd associate with being politically tilted to the right, who posts hashtags such as #BlackLivesMatter." Look him up, his account is easy to find from the original link jaffa put up. Just click on his name under the video. You have to scroll down a bit to find the video we're discussing Safvan Allahverdi says nothing about the guy being antifa on his original tweet: The antifa bit was added in by the guy Ian Miles Cheong who is your bog-standard anti-left Twitter guy. The idea of a couple of far right blokes dressing up and pretending to be Anitifa, filming it and risking criminal damage/incitement to violence charges, just to make a video showing Antifa being dicks when there's plenty of footage of Antifa members elsewhere indulging in wanton acts of violence and vandalism is straw-clutching at its best. For a start, I don't think your average Neo Nazi would be that Machiavellian 🤔 This is a rhetorical question more than anything, but if there was a video of a bloke in a MAGA cap- or even a t-shirt with the US flag on it- acting like a twat, would we be having a similar discussion? I know where my money's going.
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Post by mattyd on Jun 1, 2020 15:29:22 GMT
Antifa are just the scum of the earth, any excuse they seize to have a riot and a scrap with the authorities.
Anyone who thinks they are not a more serious threat to law and order than the right is sadly deluded.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 1, 2020 15:42:24 GMT
Antifa are just the scum of the earth, any excuse they seize to have a riot and a scrap with the authorities. Anyone who thinks they are not a more serious threat to law and order than the right is sadly deluded. I think that you are right Matt. Whatever their original intentions and aims I think that anyone who joins now or remains part of it knows their reputation and modus operandi.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jun 1, 2020 16:23:23 GMT
Antifa are just the scum of the earth, any excuse they seize to have a riot and a scrap with the authorities. Anyone who thinks they are not a more serious threat to law and order than the right is sadly deluded. So that fat old cunt who got out of his car with a bow and fucking arrow and then tried to lie about it is a lesser threat to law and order. Right you are
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 1, 2020 16:39:42 GMT
Antifa are just the scum of the earth, any excuse they seize to have a riot and a scrap with the authorities. Anyone who thinks they are not a more serious threat to law and order than the right is sadly deluded. I don't think it's necessarily a contest between who's got the most extremist arseholes! Both ends of the supposed political spectrum are as bad as each other if they hijack legitimate protest for their own ends, or even just to have a riot. Personally I think there is tacit acceptance of rioting for a few days by government. The pictures of looting and lawlessness just reduce the legitimacy of the original protest. And then the National Guard go in and Trump's supporters will love his tough stance.
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Post by Boothen on Jun 1, 2020 17:26:49 GMT
"What do we want?" NO RACISM. "When do we want it?" KILL WHITEY.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 1, 2020 17:48:05 GMT
Safvan Allahverdi says nothing about the guy being antifa on his original tweet: The antifa bit was added in by the guy Ian Miles Cheong who is your bog-standard anti-left Twitter guy. The idea of a couple of far right blokes dressing up and pretending to be Anitifa, filming it and risking criminal damage/incitement to violence charges, just to make a video showing Antifa being dicks when there's plenty of footage of Antifa members elsewhere indging in wanton acts of violence and vandalism is straw-clutching at its best. For a start, I don't think your average Neo Nazi would be that Machiavellian 🤔 This is a rhetorical question more than anything, but if there was a video of a bloke in a MAGA cap- or even a t-shirt with the US flag on it- acting like a twat, would we be having a similar discussion? I know where my money's going. The example I gave was only one hypothesis. As I said before - it could be an antifa twat, it could be a far-right twat, it could be a common criminal twat looking to go on the loot and grab some free stuff. The only person who has put the word 'antifa' to this particular person is someone who wasn't even there, and has a timeline full of anti-left stuff. The person who took the video has only stated it was a white person, nothing about antifa.
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