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Post by ab61 on May 23, 2020 23:33:43 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 24, 2020 0:00:51 GMT
A pair of cockends that highlight how far down the toilet football punditry has been flushed.
Sutton is actually worse than Savage which takes some doing. And both speak like theyβre trying to push out a shit and are really struggling with it.
Twats
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Post by thevoid on May 24, 2020 0:03:30 GMT
Robbie's correct.
Celtic's achievements come off the back of beating League 2 level opposition for the most part and they didn't even have Rangers to compete against for several of their recent nine titles. If you transferred any team from the Premier League (and a good few from the Championship) they'd win the SPL at a canter.
Leicester's title win was the equivalent of Ross County winning the SPL so Sutton's talking out of his arse again.
The SPL is basically like having Liverpool and Chelsea playing in a league with Forest Green Rovers and Morecambe, it's a joke.
In fact, Ipswich finishing 5th in the Premier League in 2001 was a bigger achievement than nine SPL title wins.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 0:12:13 GMT
I don't mind Savage but Sutton is a fool
Not Celtic's fault that they have absolutely no opposition to compete against And that Rangers are utter toilet. They could do with some competition to be fair as Celtic are such a huge club in a shite league and really can't attract quality. The Scottish league needs Airdrie or Inverness C T to be bought by Arabs and start signing players from Benfica and PSG backed by crowds of 3700 or more.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 24, 2020 0:22:01 GMT
It is still a great achievement in any league
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Post by somersetstokie on May 24, 2020 9:47:37 GMT
Sutton's big point was that Celtic have won the title in Scotland 9 times in a row. In fact I think they've done it twice, with the "Lisbon Lions" period team from the 1960's before. In Sutton's view that is a greater achievement than anything produced in England, including Man Utd's treble and the Arsenal Invincibles title win. He reckons that in England no team has won the title more then three times in a row, so how can they compare with Celtic.
The thing is that when an English team has won the title, more often than not they seem to have turned that trophy into further success in Europe, with a European Cup Final appearance or Champions League victory. Celtic usually struggle to get past the qualifying rounds in European competition.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 24, 2020 9:53:28 GMT
It would destroy Scottish football but Celtic and Rangers competing in the English leagues would be really good. Canβt and wonβt happen though.
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Post by bolders on May 24, 2020 10:03:57 GMT
It would destroy Scottish football but Celtic and Rangers competing in the English leagues would be really good. Canβt and wonβt happen though. They want it but dont want to start at the bottom of our pyramid they believe they should be given preferential treatment ans start in the prem and we dont need their sectarium crap in the leagues we have enough idiots of our own |
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Post by thevoid on May 24, 2020 10:45:30 GMT
Sutton's big point was that Celtic have won the title in Scotland 9 times in a row. In fact I think they've done it twice, with the "Lisbon Lions" period team from the 1960's before. In Sutton's view that is a greater achievement than anything produced in England, including Man Utd's treble and the Arsenal Invincibles title win. He reckons that in England no team has won the title more then three times in a row, so how can they compare with Celtic. The thing is that when an English team has won the title, more often than not they seem to have turned that trophy into further success in Europe, with a European Cup Final appearance or Champions League victory. Celtic usually struggle to get past the qualifying rounds in European competition. The fact that teams in Scotland can win 9 in a row relatively regularly (and Rangers have done it too) shows what a piss-weak league it is. If he wants to go down that road though, Rangers' last 9 in a row outstrips Celtic's current run as Rangers were missing for 4 of Celtic's wins. If the Old Firm play each other 4 times a season, that's 36 tough games to win 9 titles (or in Celtic's current run, 20 tough games over 9 years). Wow. No wonder they suck in Europe. Leicester, in their one appearance in the Champions League, reached the last 8, a run Celtic could only dream of. And you can't use Sky money as an excuse there as that Leicester side was assembled on a similar budget to Celtic. The difference was, Leicester were pitting their wits against top opposition weekly, and not Conference level sides like Hamilton and their 1000 fans. |
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Post by ab61 on May 24, 2020 11:40:01 GMT
It would destroy Scottish football but Celtic and Rangers competing in the English leagues would be really good. Canβt and wonβt happen though. We should be getting rid of the Cardiffβs and Swanseaβs of this world never mind inviting Scottish teams. Just my opinion. |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 24, 2020 12:12:56 GMT
Both absolute bellends.
I actually liked Sutton as a player, but as a pundit? Gash.
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Post by somersetstokie on May 24, 2020 12:27:09 GMT
When Real Madrid won their 10th European Cup/ Champions League in 2014, it was memorably described simply as El Decimo, (the 10th.)
I wonder if, were Celtic to achieve a successive 10th title in Scotland, there might be an appropriate scottish/catholic name for that in gaelic. The nearest I could probably get to it in English, would be fluke.
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Post by Veritas on May 24, 2020 15:34:53 GMT
When Real Madrid won their 10th European Cup/ Champions League in 2014, it was memorably described simply as El Decimo, (the 10th.) I wonder if, were Celtic to achieve a successive 10th title in Scotland, there might be an appropriate scottish/catholic name for that in gaelic. The nearest I could probably get to it in English, would be fluke. I wouldn't see it as anyway comparable to Real Madrid's achievement but how exactly could it be described as a fluke? |
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Post by somersetstokie on May 24, 2020 16:25:55 GMT
When Real Madrid won their 10th European Cup/ Champions League in 2014, it was memorably described simply as El Decimo, (the 10th.) I wonder if, were Celtic to achieve a successive 10th title in Scotland, there might be an appropriate scottish/catholic name for that in gaelic. The nearest I could probably get to it in English, would be fluke. I wouldn't see it as anyway comparable to Real Madrid's achievement but how exactly could it be described as a fluke? Sorry it was just cynical social commentary. Or Maybe just a joke! |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 24, 2020 17:16:07 GMT
When Real Madrid won their 10th European Cup/ Champions League in 2014, it was memorably described simply as El Decimo, (the 10th.) I wonder if, were Celtic to achieve a successive 10th title in Scotland, there might be an appropriate scottish/catholic name for that in gaelic. The nearest I could probably get to it in English, would be fluke. gun luach would seem appropriate |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 20:32:37 GMT
I don't mind Savage but Sutton is a fool Not Celtic's fault that they have absolutely no opposition to compete against And that Rangers are utter toilet. They could do with some competition to be fair as Celtic are such a huge club in a shite league and really can't attract quality. The Scottish league needs Airdrie or Inverness C T to be bought by Arabs and start signing players from Benfica and PSG backed by crowds of 3700 or more. I see your point, but the fact that there aren't any rich arab owned clubs is one of the very, very few good things about that league |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 20:47:36 GMT
I don't mind Savage but Sutton is a fool Not Celtic's fault that they have absolutely no opposition to compete against And that Rangers are utter toilet. They could do with some competition to be fair as Celtic are such a huge club in a shite league and really can't attract quality. The Scottish league needs Airdrie or Inverness C T to be bought by Arabs and start signing players from Benfica and PSG backed by crowds of 3700 or more. I see your point, but the fact that there aren't any rich arab owned clubs is one of the very, very few good things about that league Was being a bit sarcastic with the Arab owners but would be nice if someone say invested decent money in Hibs or a club of that size and would make the league interesting and to be fair make European football a real possibility. |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 24, 2020 22:07:30 GMT
Sutton's big point was that Celtic have won the title in Scotland 9 times in a row. In fact I think they've done it twice, with the "Lisbon Lions" period team from the 1960's before. In Sutton's view that is a greater achievement than anything produced in England, including Man Utd's treble and the Arsenal Invincibles title win. He reckons that in England no team has won the title more then three times in a row, so how can they compare with Celtic. The thing is that when an English team has won the title, more often than not they seem to have turned that trophy into further success in Europe, with a European Cup Final appearance or Champions League victory. Celtic usually struggle to get past the qualifying rounds in European competition. The fact that teams in Scotland can win 9 in a row relatively regularly (and Rangers have done it too) shows what a piss-weak league it is. If he wants to go down that road though, Rangers' last 9 in a row outstrips Celtic's current run as Rangers were missing for 4 of Celtic's wins. If the Old Firm play each other 4 times a season, that's 36 tough games to win 9 titles (or in Celtic's current run, 20 tough games over 9 years). Wow. No wonder they suck in Europe. Leicester, in their one appearance in the Champions League, reached the last 8, a run Celtic could only dream of. And you can't use Sky money as an excuse there as that Leicester side was assembled on a similar budget to Celtic. The difference was, Leicester were pitting their wits against top opposition weekly, and not Conference level sides like Hamilton and their 1000 fans. To win nine in a row is a great achievement in any sporting competition of any standard. Rangers don't exist anymore. Rangers doesn't outstrip Celtic because at the time of their wins they were fraudulent trading, frauding the taxman, the vatman , fiddling the books, etc. They won those titles under false pretences |
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Post by Royal Donut on May 25, 2020 0:02:55 GMT
The fact that teams in Scotland can win 9 in a row relatively regularly (and Rangers have done it too) shows what a piss-weak league it is. If he wants to go down that road though, Rangers' last 9 in a row outstrips Celtic's current run as Rangers were missing for 4 of Celtic's wins. If the Old Firm play each other 4 times a season, that's 36 tough games to win 9 titles (or in Celtic's current run, 20 tough games over 9 years). Wow. No wonder they suck in Europe. Leicester, in their one appearance in the Champions League, reached the last 8, a run Celtic could only dream of. And you can't use Sky money as an excuse there as that Leicester side was assembled on a similar budget to Celtic. The difference was, Leicester were pitting their wits against top opposition weekly, and not Conference level sides like Hamilton and their 1000 fans. To win nine in a row is a great achievement in any sporting competition of any standard. Rangers don't exist anymore. Rangers doesn't outstrip Celtic because at the time of their wins they were fraudulent trading, frauding the taxman, the vatman , fiddling the books, etc. They won those titles under false pretences All this means is the spl is the least competitive league in the world. This doesn't mean it's the worse league. |
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2020 1:18:35 GMT
The fact that teams in Scotland can win 9 in a row relatively regularly (and Rangers have done it too) shows what a piss-weak league it is. If he wants to go down that road though, Rangers' last 9 in a row outstrips Celtic's current run as Rangers were missing for 4 of Celtic's wins. If the Old Firm play each other 4 times a season, that's 36 tough games to win 9 titles (or in Celtic's current run, 20 tough games over 9 years). Wow. No wonder they suck in Europe. Leicester, in their one appearance in the Champions League, reached the last 8, a run Celtic could only dream of. And you can't use Sky money as an excuse there as that Leicester side was assembled on a similar budget to Celtic. The difference was, Leicester were pitting their wits against top opposition weekly, and not Conference level sides like Hamilton and their 1000 fans. To win nine in a row is a great achievement in any sporting competition of any standard. Rangers don't exist anymore. Rangers doesn't outstrip Celtic because at the time of their wins they were fraudulent trading, frauding the taxman, the vatman , fiddling the books, etc. They won those titles under false pretences I couldn't care less whether you think Rangers' titles are invalid or not. The historic league tables suggest otherwise and with or without Rangers it's a shit league, which is what is being discussed. Not Rangers' finances. |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 25, 2020 1:34:48 GMT
To win nine in a row is a great achievement in any sporting competition of any standard. Rangers don't exist anymore. Rangers doesn't outstrip Celtic because at the time of their wins they were fraudulent trading, frauding the taxman, the vatman , fiddling the books, etc. They won those titles under false pretences I couldn't care less whether you think Rangers' titles are invalid or not. The historic league tables suggest otherwise and with or without Rangers it's a shit league, which is what is being discussed. Not Rangers' finances. I couldn't care less what you think. Rangers the club that won those titles doesn't exist anymore. Celtic had a good European history as the star of the shirt proves. |
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Post by wrighter on May 25, 2020 6:36:03 GMT
Sutton comes across as an ego centric twat !!
Conceited & arrogant
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2020 8:11:55 GMT
I couldn't care less whether you think Rangers' titles are invalid or not. The historic league tables suggest otherwise and with or without Rangers it's a shit league, which is what is being discussed. Not Rangers' finances. I couldn't care less what you think. Rangers the club that won those titles doesn't exist anymore. Celtic had a good European history as the star of the shirt proves. And neither of the points you're making are salient to the topic of this thread, which is that the SPL is a shit league that Bristol City would win if they joined it. If you want to discuss Ken Dodd being Rangers' accountant, start a new thread on it. Presumably, if you weren't talking out of your hat, the 'old' Rangers would be expunged from the league tables before their demotion and their titles awarded to the runners up. Has this happened? No, ergo their titles stand. Anyway, neither of us care what the other thinks so nothing more needs to be said. |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 25, 2020 9:53:37 GMT
To win nine in a row, fairly, in any type of sporting competition is a great achievement.
The club that plays as rangers now is a club formed in 2012.
It is relevant
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2020 10:04:46 GMT
To win nine in a row, fairly, in any type of sporting competition is a great achievement. The club that plays as rangers now is a club formed in 2012. It is relevant Celtic winning the SPL without Rangers is like beating Stevie Wonder at darts. |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 25, 2020 11:23:53 GMT
To win nine in a row, fairly, in any type of sporting competition is a great achievement. The club that plays as rangers now is a club formed in 2012. It is relevant Celtic winning the SPL without Rangers is like beating Stevie Wonder at darts. Celtic have done with both types of the rangers club involved |
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2020 12:11:49 GMT
Celtic winning the SPL without Rangers is like beating Stevie Wonder at darts. Celtic have done with both types of the rangers club involved Oh, so we are counting Rangers' presence then? Anyway, can we nip this in the bud now? Fence panels to paint... |
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Post by somersetstokie on May 25, 2020 12:39:59 GMT
Exactly. There is little sustained interest on this site, and indeed the wider media, in what Celtic have dubiously achieved. It is like national or even world events, like perhaps a plane crash, or a bombing in Kabul. The news hits the front page for a few days and then is overtaken for attention by other events. Even such important coverage as whether Dominic Cummins broke lockdown restrictions is a transient issue that will be over in a few days.
Nobody in this country (England) is that much bothered about the domestic status of Celtic, and once we start moving towards a resumption of top level football in the Premier League and Championship, that Scottish club will probably not be thought of or mentioned again for months. Topics of conversation here will be far removed from the footnote in history that Celtics "achievement" will no doubt become.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 25, 2020 13:16:11 GMT
Celtic have done with both types of the rangers club involved Oh, so we are counting Rangers' presence then? Anyway, can we nip this in the bud now? Fence panels to paint... Yes I was including the two types of the rangers club. You should try spraying the panels with one of those battery powered spray guns, makes a nice job. |
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2020 15:09:33 GMT
Oh, so we are counting Rangers' presence then? Anyway, can we nip this in the bud now? Fence panels to paint... Yes I was including the two types of the rangers club. You should try spraying the panels with one of those battery powered spray guns, makes a nice job. Thanks for that fella, your fence painting knowledge eclipses your football know how π |
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