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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 22, 2020 7:31:26 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11992440/coronavirus-efl-league-one-league-two-clubs-could-fold-without-government-bailout-mpDamian Collins MP was the Chair of the Parliamentary Culture Media and Sport Select Committee in the last Parliament. As you will see from my quote in the article, we have broadly welcomed his plan, not least because it recognises the community value of football clubs, and involves fans in the long term model. Football cannot expect government support without some fundamental changes. The PL needs to step up to the plate as well. Like all pyramids, the top cannot survive without a strong base. As the saying goes, it's an ill wind. If this awful business leads to real change in football, as it undoubtedly will in other areas, it will mitigate at least a bit of the pain.
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Post by leicspotter on May 22, 2020 8:25:54 GMT
A lot of sense in this plan
I also agree that restructuring the pyramid finances is a must...but it's hard to see the PL big boys giving up any of their cash...
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Post by OldStokie on May 22, 2020 9:50:15 GMT
Nogger is an institution in this country. It's part and parcel of the soul of the country and the figure quoted of 200 million is a drop in the ocean compared to what is needed to be spent to retain our society as we know it.
Keep up the pressure Malcolm.
OS.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 22, 2020 9:59:25 GMT
A lot of sense in this plan I also agree that restructuring the pyramid finances is a must...but it's hard to see the PL big boys giving up any of their cash... In normal times, no, Leics. But these aren't normal times. I think there may be a growing realisation among at least some PL clubs that it is not in their long term interests for the pyramid below them to start collapsing. They may not want to go down in history as the people who selfishly looked away when the game needed them. |
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Post by onepara on May 22, 2020 13:01:37 GMT
I think that the PL are waiting to see football start, so that they are in a position to bargain to reduce the money that Sky, etc want back from them due to the stoppage. Once they reach that point & know how much they have to give up, they will know how much cash they can send to the EFL.
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 22, 2020 13:17:19 GMT
"Yes it be would be nice if football could help itself, but it won't be able to do it."
I contest the idea that football couldn't help itself. I think one way of allowing it to self heal would be to allow a one time injection of money from owners and temporarily amending FFP. There is no way to guarantee that money injected would reside within the English game but I believe it would help the footballing economy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 0:56:16 GMT
I think that the PL are waiting to see football start, so that they are in a position to bargain to reduce the money that Sky, etc want back from them due to the stoppage. Once they reach that point & know how much they have to give up, they will know how much cash they can send to the EFL. I don’t get the argument of Sky wanting money back. Surely more games will be on tv? |
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Post by eaststokie on May 23, 2020 6:52:46 GMT
Interesting post
This could indeed be an opportunity to impose change on football communities
But I think the Govt should be even more ambitious. One of the big problems in football is that the owners are simply on massive ego trips and in a lot of cases haven't even been loyal supporters of a club prior to obtaining control. Instead of simply pushing for a minority shareholding, the Govt should look to fund & advise supporter groups on how to take over the running of the clubs. I'd allow the 5-10 clubs to fail (the sooner the better) but then fund the negotiations with administrators to buy the assets. The EFL could assist by withdrawing the points penalty regime for entering administration
My worry with Damian's proposals is it will eventually revert back to where we are now
Anyway, keep up the pressure Malcolm
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 15:28:07 GMT
I've heard it all now, Local authorities essentially becoming Football club shareholders...
Nothing good can come of this.
More civil service jobs of independent reviewers.
Apart from massively not being Gov's role, they shouldn't bail clubs out at all. (Yes obviously I know players wages being taxed are a huge boon for the Gov.)
But what happens in the 2nd and 3rd wave?
This is about as clear as mud as well: "Otherwise, within months the clubs would continue to be run so badly they will be coming back needing more.
Money must not be used to buy players, it's sole function must be used for financial sustainability." If the FFA (A fun new way to spend taxpayers money won't offer loans, I can't see invested money ever making it's way back to the taxpayer. This is a Government endorsed ponzi scheme.
I'd also dispute they're a vital part of our culture, It's all one way, it means a hell of a lot to people but the modern links don't reflect the history and culture at all- the likes of arnautovic, Wimmer Berahino etc don't give a flying fuck about the area or culture and won't even live in the city. So what exactly are we trying to preserve?
I admire your passion but this is beyond a waste of taxpayers money.
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Post by onepara on May 23, 2020 16:31:53 GMT
I think that the PL are waiting to see football start, so that they are in a position to bargain to reduce the money that Sky, etc want back from them due to the stoppage. Once they reach that point & know how much they have to give up, they will know how much cash they can send to the EFL. I don’t get the argument of Sky wanting money back. Surely more games will be on tv? They say lost advertising revenue, due to the games being delayed. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 16:33:20 GMT
I don’t get the argument of Sky wanting money back. Surely more games will be on tv? They say lost advertising revenue, due to the games being delayed. Sounds like utter horseshit to me. I would tell them to get bollocksed. |
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Post by toptom007 on May 26, 2020 20:17:19 GMT
Call me cynical but the top teams don't want or need the lower league competition.
For one it provides another team that might take they're premier league status in a bad year but also takes eyeballs that should be watching the premier league. Then there is the transfer fees that they need to pay to get prized players away from lower league clubs would be far easier if they already had the players and where just loaning them out raking in the loan fees. Especially if the big boys can have there B/C/D teams be as big as league two/one rather than the little clubs making a little money.
Plus with less clubs around it would reduce the player power as theres less places for them to take their talents off to.
I really hope that I am wrong but really dont see the top / rich teams helping in any way. Its just another case of the rich getting richer and exploiting the crisis for there own gain!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 27, 2020 6:33:42 GMT
Some potentially very good ideas there Malcolm.
I do look at the German model with some envy as they have shared ownership with supporters. This leads to more focus on the match day being geared towards supporters at the stadium and not for the TV cameras solely.
The money at the top of football has basically ruined it as a sport. Maybe this could bring the game back to the fans. It really is time to talk about salary caps - there is currently some really average players earning 30k a week. I doubt they will be valued by clubs abroad, and will just have to accept a lowly 10k a week contract.
English people have been too affected by Thatcherism and believe there is only one way to run things - Totaly free unfettered markets tend to blow themselves up without some level of governmental control. (just look at the banking crisis 10 years ago)
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 29, 2020 12:12:53 GMT
I am a signatory of a letter which has now been sent to the FA, EFL and Chair of the CMS Select Committee making these proposals (see link). thefsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Damian_Collins_Letter_To_SoS_Co-signed_MPs_May_2020.pdfInterestingly it is also signed by two former FA Chairs and a number of MPs including the MP for Stoke North on behalf of Port Vale, and the Chairs of both of the two all-party football groups in Parliament. We don't necessarily agree with every last detail of the proposals, and there is much work to be done to put flesh on bones, but at least the debate has started |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 29, 2020 13:37:32 GMT
I am a signatory of a letter which has now been sent to the FA, EFL and Chair of the CMS Select Committee making these proposals (see link). thefsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Damian_Collins_Letter_To_SoS_Co-signed_MPs_May_2020.pdfInterestingly it is also signed by two former FA Chairs and a number of MPs including the MP for Stoke North on behalf of Port Vale, and the Chairs of both of the two all-party football groups in Parliament. We don't necessarily agree with every last detail of the proposals, and there is much work to be done to put flesh on bones, but at least the debate has started good stuff Malcolm. I think there is a good chance for something like this happening. If owners want a bail-out for their clubs then give up some of the ownership and a seat on the board. I understand the "supporters trust" angle of course. But what about the local authority? I dont understand how they would raise the funds for this and what their motivation will be? Yes it is a community asset - but if this moves money away from schools/roads/hospitals etc couldnt it become a political issue again? Also will the shares be diluted via further investment from the owners? Are they essentially up-for-sale when they can be bought out in the future when cashflow improves? I hope they are golden shares and non-dilutive, which makes this a permanent change in club structures |
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