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Gazza
May 22, 2020 15:30:49 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on May 22, 2020 15:30:49 GMT
what is the actual name of the documentary about gascoigne It's simply called 'Gascoigne' .
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Gazza
May 22, 2020 17:16:50 GMT
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Post by newsteadst3 on May 22, 2020 17:16:50 GMT
They still unfurl banners with his name on.. He was seen more of a cult figure, came with this this massive expectation and rarely produced. His goal v Roma papered over a lot of cracks. His stupid pranks weren't popular and players and press had little time for his stupidity. Saw his debut v Genoa and a couple more games and he was a passenger. I remember one game he was superb v possibly Udinese but didn't do it v the big boys. I don't think he grasped that the Italian people didn't see him as this loveable clown that he tried to be and whilst the British press maybe thought fake knockers and belching was funny, the Italians didn't. So many ex players detested him in Italy 'On the field, a string of minor injuries halted Gazza’s progress, and on 24 January 1993 he was dropped for a home game against Juventus. Zoff cited his “poor physical condition”, and following the game, journalists were keen to get the player’s point of view. Gascoigne, already frustrated with his critics, was in press silence and responded by burping into the microphone of a Rai journalist.' Summed him up for me. Yeah and that kind of culture was part of the reason we didn't qualify for the 94 World Cup, while we all thought it was funny and great the Italians were concentrating on there fitness and diets. Bet they didn't know what to make of him, it's a shame for Gazza.
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Post by thfc67 on May 22, 2020 19:11:46 GMT
He was seen more of a cult figure, came with this this massive expectation and rarely produced. His goal v Roma papered over a lot of cracks. His stupid pranks weren't popular and players and press had little time for his stupidity. Saw his debut v Genoa and a couple more games and he was a passenger. I remember one game he was superb v possibly Udinese but didn't do it v the big boys. I don't think he grasped that the Italian people didn't see him as this loveable clown that he tried to be and whilst the British press maybe thought fake knockers and belching was funny, the Italians didn't. So many ex players detested him in Italy 'On the field, a string of minor injuries halted Gazza’s progress, and on 24 January 1993 he was dropped for a home game against Juventus. Zoff cited his “poor physical condition”, and following the game, journalists were keen to get the player’s point of view. Gascoigne, already frustrated with his critics, was in press silence and responded by burping into the microphone of a Rai journalist.' Summed him up for me. Yeah and that kind of culture was part of the reason we didn't qualify for the 94 World Cup, while we all thought it was funny and great the Italians were concentrating on there fitness and diets. Bet they didn't know what to make of him, it's a shame for Gazza. Talking of Italian football culture; it reminds me of a anecdote from Graeme Souness I read a few years ago about when he played for Sampdoria. He was late turning up for training one morning, and received a fine. But what surprised him was the attitude from his Italian team mates. They showed their disapproval towards him. To them, to play football professionally for a top club was a privilege, and with that came responsibilities.
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Gazza
May 22, 2020 19:36:29 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 19:36:29 GMT
Yeah and that kind of culture was part of the reason we didn't qualify for the 94 World Cup, while we all thought it was funny and great the Italians were concentrating on there fitness and diets. Bet they didn't know what to make of him, it's a shame for Gazza. Talking of Italian football culture; it reminds me of a anecdote from Graeme Souness I read a few years ago about when he played for Sampdoria. He was late turning up for training one morning, and received a fine. But what surprised him was the attitude from his Italian team mates. They showed their disapproval towards him. To them, to play football professionally for a top club was a privilege, and with that came responsibilities. The Italians win things whilst the English laugh at the likes of Gascoigne getting his nob out in a restaurant and unfit to play.
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Gazza
May 22, 2020 20:29:37 GMT
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Post by newsteadst3 on May 22, 2020 20:29:37 GMT
Talking of Italian football culture; it reminds me of a anecdote from Graeme Souness I read a few years ago about when he played for Sampdoria. He was late turning up for training one morning, and received a fine. But what surprised him was the attitude from his Italian team mates. They showed their disapproval towards him. To them, to play football professionally for a top club was a privilege, and with that came responsibilities. The Italians win things whilst the English laugh at the likes of Gascoigne getting his nob out in a restaurant and unfit to play. I hope your including the 1995–96 Anglo-Italian Cup in that "win things category"
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Post by JoeinOz on May 23, 2020 5:49:34 GMT
Great exciting talent but I do wonder if some are wearing glasses tinted with roses.
A point which has to be made is if a player carried on like that now he'd be a figure of hatred. There'd be Facebook groups discussing how much they hate him. That's not a rreflection on Paul. It's the way a lot of people are now. The internet facilitates the bile.
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Gazza
May 23, 2020 6:33:31 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on May 23, 2020 6:33:31 GMT
Great exciting talent but I do wonder if some are wearing glasses tinted with roses. A point which has to be made is if a player carried on like that now he'd be a figure of hatred. There'd be Facebook groups discussing how much they hate him. That's not a rreflection on Paul. It's the way a lot of people are now. The internet facilitates the bile. Absolute bullshit. Where are the "facebook pages" about rooney with his recent antics? Football fans are the most fickle/forgiving people. Look at the way ronaldo was welcomed back after his antics against england. Aslong as a player does well on the pitch football fans forgive and forget. Look at pennant he was given dogs abuse when he came down stoke, then when he signed he was loved by our fans.
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Gazza
May 23, 2020 7:35:40 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on May 23, 2020 7:35:40 GMT
I don't think so. Ferguson was within the width of a gnats bollock of signing him in 1988. But Spurs promised buy his parents a house and that was that. Ferguson would've done all he could to contain the erratic side of Gazza but it wouldn't have lasted long. He didn't tolerate much tomfoolery. We'll never know will we? I think it depends on age. If Ferguson had got hold of him as soon as he was appointed at ManU and Gazza was still young he might have turned him around. But Ferguson already had problems at ManU with players such as Whiteside, McGrath, and Bryan Robson who were drinking too much. It was the footballer culture of the time. Maybe Cloughie could have sorted him out, but he was a boozer himself and wound the Leeds players up the wrong way, so he didn't always succeed with players. Ferguson said one thing he had to do was break up the drinking club. I doubt he'd have tolerated Gazza turning up at training with a stolen ostricch. Even if he was sober. 😀
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Gazza
May 23, 2020 11:41:42 GMT
Post by mattyd on May 23, 2020 11:41:42 GMT
We'll never know will we? I think it depends on age. If Ferguson had got hold of him as soon as he was appointed at ManU and Gazza was still young he might have turned him around. But Ferguson already had problems at ManU with players such as Whiteside, McGrath, and Bryan Robson who were drinking too much. It was the footballer culture of the time. Maybe Cloughie could have sorted him out, but he was a boozer himself and wound the Leeds players up the wrong way, so he didn't always succeed with players. Ferguson said one thing he had to do was break up the drinking club. I doubt he'd have tolerated Gazza turning up at training with a stolen ostricch. Even if he was sober. 😀 Maybe he'd have just buried his head in the sand.
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Gazza
May 23, 2020 11:48:47 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on May 23, 2020 11:48:47 GMT
Ferguson said one thing he had to do was break up the drinking club. I doubt he'd have tolerated Gazza turning up at training with a stolen ostricch. Even if he was sober. 😀 Maybe he'd have just buried his head in the sand. Da dum tsh 😊
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Gazza
May 23, 2020 11:52:40 GMT
Post by mattyd on May 23, 2020 11:52:40 GMT
Maybe he'd have just buried his head in the sand. Da dum tsh 😊 Hey mate, did you see the video clip I posted featuring your very good self, at Muddy Murphy's in Singapore.
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Gazza
May 23, 2020 12:02:16 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on May 23, 2020 12:02:16 GMT
Hey mate, did you see the video clip I posted featuring your very good self, at Muddy Murphy's in Singapore. No I missed it mate
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Gazza
May 23, 2020 13:03:08 GMT
Post by mattyd on May 23, 2020 13:03:08 GMT
Hey mate, did you see the video clip I posted featuring your very good self, at Muddy Murphy's in Singapore. No I missed it mate It's on the " Best Away Pubs for a pre match drink" Thread
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Gazza
May 23, 2020 13:07:50 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on May 23, 2020 13:07:50 GMT
It's on the " Best Away Pubs for a pre match drink" Thread Haha ha! It was good drink up. I'll have a look thanks for the heads up.
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Gazza
May 23, 2020 13:53:46 GMT
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Post by supersimonstainrod on May 23, 2020 13:53:46 GMT
We'll never know will we? I think it depends on age. If Ferguson had got hold of him as soon as he was appointed at ManU and Gazza was still young he might have turned him around. But Ferguson already had problems at ManU with players such as Whiteside, McGrath, and Bryan Robson who were drinking too much. It was the footballer culture of the time. Maybe Cloughie could have sorted him out, but he was a boozer himself and wound the Leeds players up the wrong way, so he didn't always succeed with players. Ferguson said one thing he had to do was break up the drinking club. I doubt he'd have tolerated Gazza turning up at training with a stolen ostricch. Even if he was sober. 😀 Nigel Pearson would have loved him....
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Gazza
May 27, 2020 21:15:55 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on May 27, 2020 21:15:55 GMT
Very talented footballer on his day but in my opinion is one of the most overrated.
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Gazza
May 27, 2020 22:41:32 GMT
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Post by StatesideStokie on May 27, 2020 22:41:32 GMT
Fantastic player prior to his cup final injury - as some have already said, he was one of those players you would pay to watch regardless of who he was playing for. He made the game look so easy, and had fun doing it. He was just a joy to watch. He was never the same after his cruciate injury; although still a hell of a player and capable of moments of absolute magic. Mad as a box of frogs, but world class talent to go with it.
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Post by callas12 on May 28, 2020 2:24:52 GMT
Spoke to ex ref David Elleray a good few years ago now & for ability he said Gazza was by far & away the best player he ever referred. That to me is a glowing endorsement of Gazza's on field skills as Refs get to see a great number of players during the course of their career at close quarters.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 8:30:14 GMT
He just about got through Euro '96 on fumes, but looked leggy and not capable of lasting the full 90. I'm amazed he was ever a candidate for 98. Leaving Le Tissier out was a bigger shock, given his form and his performances in some England B internationals before. Different players I know, but Gazza wouldn't have got in the team and would have been too much of a risk. His reaction to being left out says it all. Or maybe he just didn't like Kenny G! Hoddle was 100% right to leave him out. The state he was in on the brink of a squad being announced showed his priorities for me but so many hailed him as some kind of hero. I think was a game v Tunisia and the bloke just couldn't run. In the semi in Euro 96 I agree was running on empty and for me would have walked in normal time but for a very lenient referee. Andy Moller was still getting forward and taking the game to England and the difference in the players was mammoth. I heard him tell a story on Soccer AM about how he got drunk the night before a league game, stuck his head in a lobster tank and ended up missing the next day's game which the panel laughed and praised him for....why? Imagine those turning up to watch him the next day and he acts like that. I really don't get this love in with him. Had great talent but won nothing because he is/was an idiot for me . Because he pulls daft faces and farts doesn't excuse that. He is not an idiot . If you read his autobiography , you would know , that when about 13 or 14 Gazza picked up a 9 year old lad who lived round the corner to go for a kick about, down the park . The 9 year old mums last words were ,' no showing off with all them tricks and flicks and stuff on the pavement , that's a dangerous road that , save all that for the park ' Gazza ... yeah , yeah , blah , blah Gazza then goes and mis-controls the ball , showing off his tricks on the pavement , on the way to the park . The nine year old runs out between two parked cars to collect the ball , is run over and killed . Gazza simply blames himself for the lads death and is unable to cope with that fact . Which is sad , but doesn't make him an idiot .
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 5, 2020 9:55:06 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 5, 2020 10:39:51 GMT
Hoddle was 100% right to leave him out. The state he was in on the brink of a squad being announced showed his priorities for me but so many hailed him as some kind of hero. I think was a game v Tunisia and the bloke just couldn't run. In the semi in Euro 96 I agree was running on empty and for me would have walked in normal time but for a very lenient referee. Andy Moller was still getting forward and taking the game to England and the difference in the players was mammoth. I heard him tell a story on Soccer AM about how he got drunk the night before a league game, stuck his head in a lobster tank and ended up missing the next day's game which the panel laughed and praised him for....why? Imagine those turning up to watch him the next day and he acts like that. I really don't get this love in with him. Had great talent but won nothing because he is/was an idiot for me . Because he pulls daft faces and farts doesn't excuse that. He is not an idiot . If you read his autobiography , you would know , that when about 13 or 14 Gazza picked up a 9 year old lad who lived round the corner to go for a kick about, down the park . The 9 year old mums last words were ,' no showing off with all them tricks and flicks and stuff on the pavement , that's a dangerous road that , save all that for the park ' Gazza ... yeah , yeah , blah , blah Gazza then goes and mis-controls the ball , showing off his tricks on the pavement , on the way to the park . The nine year old runs out between two parked cars to collect the ball , is run over and killed . Gazza simply blames himself for the lads death and is unable to cope with that fact . Which is sad , but doesn't make him an idiot . He’s clearly struggled with mental health issues from a very early age. Parts of that documentary are hard to watch. Imagine having something traumatic like that happen so young, then being thrust into the limelight as a kid and all the challenges that brings. People trying to take advantage, hangers-on, sudden wealth etc. Nobody knows how they would deal with his life if they were in his shoes. It’s easy for us all to judge him isn’t it.
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Post by lordb on Jun 5, 2020 11:34:17 GMT
He is not an idiot . If you read his autobiography , you would know , that when about 13 or 14 Gazza picked up a 9 year old lad who lived round the corner to go for a kick about, down the park . The 9 year old mums last words were ,' no showing off with all them tricks and flicks and stuff on the pavement , that's a dangerous road that , save all that for the park ' Gazza ... yeah , yeah , blah , blah Gazza then goes and mis-controls the ball , showing off his tricks on the pavement , on the way to the park . The nine year old runs out between two parked cars to collect the ball , is run over and killed . Gazza simply blames himself for the lads death and is unable to cope with that fact . Which is sad , but doesn't make him an idiot . He’s clearly struggled with mental health issues from a very early age. Parts of that documentary are hard to watch. Imagine having something traumatic like that happen so young, then being thrust into the limelight as a kid and all the challenges that brings. People trying to take advantage, hangers-on, sudden wealth etc. Nobody knows how they would deal with his life if they were in his shoes. It’s easy for us all to judge him isn’t it. When Gascoigne talks about football he demonstrates he has good insight. Rooney similarly gets labelled as an idiot, other examples too. It's all part of The War Against The Working Class which sadly many ascribe too.
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Post by outspaced on Jun 5, 2020 12:00:59 GMT
Seems like all of his fooling about was masking a lot of things going on in his head. Never knew until now about the stuff that happened when he was a kid. Football really was his release from fighting the black cloud hanging over him. No wonder he was dicking about all the time.
That story Ally McCoist told about him hiding those fish in Gordon Durie's car though is fucking brilliant.
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Post by markby on Jun 5, 2020 13:07:45 GMT
When Gascoigne talks about football he demonstrates he has good insight. Gary Lineker tells a good story about when they were playing for England (possibly against Cameroon?).
Anyhow, it was late in the game and Gazza sent Lineker through with a lovely defence-splitting pass.
Afterwards, Lineker commented to him that he (Gazza) normally gave him the ball in such a way and in such a position that he (Lineker) had no option but to give it back to him (i.e. a One-Two).
Gazza just grinned and said: "I know": basically Gazza was too knackered on this occasion to chase the return.
Tbh, even if you watch a lot of football, that's the sort of understanding you don't get unless you're professionally involved in the game.
(Or at least I don't, anyhow )
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Gazza
Jun 5, 2020 13:42:41 GMT
Post by partickpotter on Jun 5, 2020 13:42:41 GMT
When Gascoigne talks about football he demonstrates he has good insight. Gary Lineker tells a good story about when they were playing for England (possibly against Cameroon?). Anyhow, it was late in the game and Gazza sent Lineker through with a lovely defence-splitting pass.
Afterwards, Lineker commented to him that he (Gazza) normally gave him the ball in such a way and in such a position that he (Lineker) had no option but to give it back to him (i.e. a One-Two). Gazza just grinned and said: "I know": basically Gazza was too knackered on this occasion to chase the return. Tbh, even if you watch a lot of football, that's the sort of understanding you don't get unless you're professionally involved in the game. (Or at least I don't, anyhow ) Not really. It’s the difference between a ball to feet or a ball to run on to.
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Gazza
Jun 5, 2020 17:44:23 GMT
Post by markby on Jun 5, 2020 17:44:23 GMT
Gary Lineker tells a good story about when they were playing for England (possibly against Cameroon?). Anyhow, it was late in the game and Gazza sent Lineker through with a lovely defence-splitting pass.
Afterwards, Lineker commented to him that he (Gazza) normally gave him the ball in such a way and in such a position that he (Lineker) had no option but to give it back to him (i.e. a One-Two). Gazza just grinned and said: "I know": basically Gazza was too knackered on this occasion to chase the return. Tbh, even if you watch a lot of football, that's the sort of understanding you don't get unless you're professionally involved in the game. (Or at least I don't, anyhow ) Not really. It’s the difference between a ball to feet or a ball to run on to. Ah right, so you weren't impressed.
I guess Lineker, who told this story admiringly as a testament to Gazza's football brain and technique, hasn't your acuity and understanding either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 17:49:21 GMT
Regardless of what he suffered as a kid, the public hasn't helped either.
Everyone encouraged Clough and Gazza when they're younger, larger than life personalities, think is it's fuelled by drink/drugs. They get older, it catches up with them and everyone mocks them as losers who are a mess.
Public need to take some responsibility for their enabling. How often is that story about Merson with the red wine and sleeping tabs bandied round like a load of fun, it's literally killing these people...
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Gazza
Jun 5, 2020 19:01:09 GMT
Post by partickpotter on Jun 5, 2020 19:01:09 GMT
Not really. It’s the difference between a ball to feet or a ball to run on to. Ah right, so you weren't impressed. I guess Lineker, who told this story admiringly as a testament to Gazza's football brain and technique, hasn't your acuity and understanding either.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but what he was talking about ain’t rocket science. Play the ball up to a striker’s feet he looks to lay the ball off, ideally to the player who made the pass in the first place. Playing a ball into space behind the striker invites the forward to go forward. About as basic as football gets.
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Post by tmp1863 on Jun 5, 2020 19:06:15 GMT
Such a gifted player and such a shame how it all turned out for him
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Gazza
Jun 5, 2020 20:22:18 GMT
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Post by entropy92 on Jun 5, 2020 20:22:18 GMT
It is sad how it turned out for Gazza. He is by far the best talent we ever had and he could of done so much more. But dont forget what he did because at the time he was electric and everyone tuned in to see what he would do. Thats how entertaining he was.
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