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Gazza
May 21, 2020 14:11:31 GMT
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Post by werrington on May 21, 2020 14:11:31 GMT
The Maradona film was another eye opener Really enjoyed the Maradona series. I genuinely didn't know how it worked out for him in Mexico so just binged the last 3 episodes in one night. No mate it was the one off film on his time in Napoli Brilliant and eye opening
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 21, 2020 14:14:54 GMT
He just about got through Euro '96 on fumes, but looked leggy and not capable of lasting the full 90. I'm amazed he was ever a candidate for 98. Leaving Le Tissier out was a bigger shock, given his form and his performances in some England B internationals before. Different players I know, but Gazza wouldn't have got in the team and would have been too much of a risk. His reaction to being left out says it all. Or maybe he just didn't like Kenny G!
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Post by numpty40 on May 21, 2020 14:14:55 GMT
Really enjoyed the Maradona series. I genuinely didn't know how it worked out for him in Mexico so just binged the last 3 episodes in one night. No mate it was the one off film on his time in Napoli Brilliant and eye opening Sorry mate, thought you were talking about the Netflix series following him coaching a club side in Mexico. I'll have to find the Napoli film and give it a watch.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 14:39:39 GMT
He just about got through Euro '96 on fumes, but looked leggy and not capable of lasting the full 90. I'm amazed he was ever a candidate for 98. Leaving Le Tissier out was a bigger shock, given his form and his performances in some England B internationals before. Different players I know, but Gazza wouldn't have got in the team and would have been too much of a risk. His reaction to being left out says it all. Or maybe he just didn't like Kenny G! Hoddle was 100% right to leave him out. The state he was in on the brink of a squad being announced showed his priorities for me but so many hailed him as some kind of hero. I think was a game v Tunisia and the bloke just couldn't run. In the semi in Euro 96 I agree was running on empty and for me would have walked in normal time but for a very lenient referee. Andy Moller was still getting forward and taking the game to England and the difference in the players was mammoth. I heard him tell a story on Soccer AM about how he got drunk the night before a league game, stuck his head in a lobster tank and ended up missing the next day's game which the panel laughed and praised him for....why? Imagine those turning up to watch him the next day and he acts like that. I really don't get this love in with him. Had great talent but won nothing because he is/was an idiot for me . Because he pulls daft faces and farts doesn't excuse that.
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Post by lordb on May 21, 2020 16:26:49 GMT
He took Rob Lee instead who didn't play a single minute. But Lee was capable of playing. Gazza wasn’t. Gazza was capable of a moment of brilliance, Lee wasn't. Gazza off the bench,no? The obvious answer is he should have taken Le Tissier for the magic-off-the-bench option.
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Gazza
May 21, 2020 18:48:53 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 21, 2020 18:48:53 GMT
Piers Morgan was the editor of the Mirror at the time. The individual that some on here have lauded as some sort of national hero.
When put on the spot re Gascogne his response was
ersmorgan · 29 May 2018 Again, nonsense. Gazza developed serious addictions to alcohol & drugs that created many other issues for him. Numerous other players have had huge media attention (it goes with the territory) but did not become addicts as a result.
Nice guy.
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Post by daviddunn on May 21, 2020 20:13:11 GMT
Go on YouTube search for his interviews the guy is seriously hilarious the stories he tells of the things he got up to will leave you crying tears of laughter ,
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Post by supersimonstainrod on May 21, 2020 20:39:10 GMT
There's plenty of highlights on YouTube of Gascoigne, he was at his best picking the ball up deep and then off he goes, great close control to go past players. You could see them panicking. Good example is against Belgium in 90 where he does exactly that starts to look dangerous and then he's brought down. Gets up and delivers the ball to Platt for the winner. He ran the show against the Dutch in the group game. Still waiting for another talent like him. Was he just a one off? Peak Gazza:
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Gazza
May 21, 2020 20:45:18 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 20:45:18 GMT
There's plenty of highlights on YouTube of Gascoigne, he was at his best picking the ball up deep and then off he goes, great close control to go past players. You could see them panicking. Good example is against Belgium in 90 where he does exactly that starts to look dangerous and then he's brought down. Gets up and delivers the ball to Platt for the winner. He ran the show against the Dutch in the group game. Still waiting for another talent like him. Was he just a one off? Actually he was going to shoot until Bobby Robson tells him to put it in the box. Robson confirmed that himself.
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Gazza
May 21, 2020 21:14:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 21:14:35 GMT
He just about got through Euro '96 on fumes, but looked leggy and not capable of lasting the full 90. I'm amazed he was ever a candidate for 98. Leaving Le Tissier out was a bigger shock, given his form and his performances in some England B internationals before. Different players I know, but Gazza wouldn't have got in the team and would have been too much of a risk. His reaction to being left out says it all. Or maybe he just didn't like Kenny G! Hoddle was 100% right to leave him out. The state he was in on the brink of a squad being announced showed his priorities for me but so many hailed him as some kind of hero. I think was a game v Tunisia and the bloke just couldn't run. In the semi in Euro 96 I agree was running on empty and for me would have walked in normal time but for a very lenient referee. Andy Moller was still getting forward and taking the game to England and the difference in the players was mammoth. I heard him tell a story on Soccer AM about how he got drunk the night before a league game, stuck his head in a lobster tank and ended up missing the next day's game which the panel laughed and praised him for....why? Imagine those turning up to watch him the next day and he acts like that. I really don't get this love in with him. Had great talent but won nothing because he is/was an idiot for me . Because he pulls daft faces and farts doesn't excuse that. Watch the documentary.
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Gazza
May 21, 2020 22:34:00 GMT
Post by JoeinOz on May 21, 2020 22:34:00 GMT
But Lee was capable of playing. Gazza wasn’t. Gazza was capable of a moment of brilliance, Lee wasn't. Gazza off the bench,no? The obvious answer is he should have taken Le Tissier for the magic-off-the-bench option. I’ve said elsewhere on this mb this week why I don’t think Le Tissier was equipped for international football. 😀😀. The thing is though why do players get took to tournaments and don’t get played? Walcott in 2006 was the daftest.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 23:23:02 GMT
Hoddle was 100% right to leave him out. The state he was in on the brink of a squad being announced showed his priorities for me but so many hailed him as some kind of hero. I think was a game v Tunisia and the bloke just couldn't run. In the semi in Euro 96 I agree was running on empty and for me would have walked in normal time but for a very lenient referee. Andy Moller was still getting forward and taking the game to England and the difference in the players was mammoth. I heard him tell a story on Soccer AM about how he got drunk the night before a league game, stuck his head in a lobster tank and ended up missing the next day's game which the panel laughed and praised him for....why? Imagine those turning up to watch him the next day and he acts like that. I really don't get this love in with him. Had great talent but won nothing because he is/was an idiot for me . Because he pulls daft faces and farts doesn't excuse that. Watch the documentary. I tried. Find him hard watching. Really no time for the bloke at all and his stupidity.
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Post by PotterLog on May 22, 2020 3:00:52 GMT
So sad to see how it turned out. Growing up in that era I always wanted to be like him on the pitch. He was and remains my true footballing hero. We'll never see another Gazza. Only really remember Gazza at the end of his career, World Cup 98 was the first tournament I have memories from so missed Euro 96. Anyway my question is, was he better than Rooney for example? Both players in their prime?.. never see another Gazza again in terms of the whole package on and off the pitch I agree with, on the pitch? Think it's a bit far. Others have opined on this but to try and give another perspective on the same answer... change the context for Argentina, and in your question replace Rooney for Agüero and Gascoigne for Maradona. Agüero is an incredible striker, consummate professional, fantastic, on his day world-class player, consistent, enduring elite-level career, scored more goals for Argentina. But, you know, Maradona. It doesn't take more than a second's thought. I think that's a bit how your question comes across to those who lived through Gazza's career. *edit- I'm not trying to say Gazza was as good as Maradona before anyone goes berserk
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Post by supersimonstainrod on May 22, 2020 5:57:52 GMT
Only really remember Gazza at the end of his career, World Cup 98 was the first tournament I have memories from so missed Euro 96. Anyway my question is, was he better than Rooney for example? Both players in their prime?.. never see another Gazza again in terms of the whole package on and off the pitch I agree with, on the pitch? Think it's a bit far. Others have opined on this but to try and give another perspective on the same answer... change the context for Argentina, and in your question replace Rooney for Agüero and Gascoigne for Maradona. Agüero is an incredible striker, consummate professional, fantastic, on his day world-class player, consistent, enduring elite-level career, scored more goals for Argentina. But, you know, Maradona. It doesn't take more than a second's thought. I think that's a bit how your question comes across to those who lived through Gazza's career. *edit- I'm not trying to say Gazza was as good as Maradona before anyone goes berserk Bobby Robson said he was the best young player at Italia '90.(Probably by some distance.) I think some of his so called friends,if they have anything passing for a conscience,must have a compelling sense of unease at the state of the guy today. I used to buy into the 'Fergie would have sorted him out...' line of thought,but now i'm not so sure. Lazio signed him to build a team around,envisaged him as a captain and leader,but ultimately became tired of the buffoonery and emotional immaturity despite his brilliance for the game.Though I think he's still respected by the fans there?
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Gazza
May 22, 2020 6:08:51 GMT
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Post by newsteadst3 on May 22, 2020 6:08:51 GMT
He just about got through Euro '96 on fumes, but looked leggy and not capable of lasting the full 90. I'm amazed he was ever a candidate for 98. Leaving Le Tissier out was a bigger shock, given his form and his performances in some England B internationals before. Different players I know, but Gazza wouldn't have got in the team and would have been too much of a risk. His reaction to being left out says it all. Or maybe he just didn't like Kenny G! Hoddle was 100% right to leave him out. The state he was in on the brink of a squad being announced showed his priorities for me but so many hailed him as some kind of hero. I think was a game v Tunisia and the bloke just couldn't run. In the semi in Euro 96 I agree was running on empty and for me would have walked in normal time but for a very lenient referee. Andy Moller was still getting forward and taking the game to England and the difference in the players was mammoth. I heard him tell a story on Soccer AM about how he got drunk the night before a league game, stuck his head in a lobster tank and ended up missing the next day's game which the panel laughed and praised him for....why? Imagine those turning up to watch him the next day and he acts like that. I really don't get this love in with him. Had great talent but won nothing because he is/was an idiot for me . Because he pulls daft faces and farts doesn't excuse that. Yeah around 95/96 he was just alright, if you think he was playing in Scotland and probably there second best player, he was brought in there as a player to move then to the next level in Europe but never got out the group stage. Juventus whacked Rangers. He was decent enough v aberdeen, Jaggy n Falkirk n them sides.
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Post by mrcoke on May 22, 2020 8:23:51 GMT
Miles better and I'm a Rooney fan. By Euro 96 although he was still ace injuries had affected him Pre 1991 cup final he was top. Best English player since Bobby Charlton. Had he been managed by Alex Ferguson perhaps his career and life would have been completely different? I don't think so. Ferguson was within the width of a gnats bollock of signing him in 1988. But Spurs promised buy his parents a house and that was that. Ferguson would've done all he could to contain the erratic side of Gazza but it wouldn't have lasted long. He didn't tolerate much tomfoolery. We'll never know will we? I think it depends on age. If Ferguson had got hold of him as soon as he was appointed at ManU and Gazza was still young he might have turned him around. But Ferguson already had problems at ManU with players such as Whiteside, McGrath, and Bryan Robson who were drinking too much. It was the footballer culture of the time. Maybe Cloughie could have sorted him out, but he was a boozer himself and wound the Leeds players up the wrong way, so he didn't always succeed with players.
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Post by PotterLog on May 22, 2020 13:24:20 GMT
Others have opined on this but to try and give another perspective on the same answer... change the context for Argentina, and in your question replace Rooney for Agüero and Gascoigne for Maradona. Agüero is an incredible striker, consummate professional, fantastic, on his day world-class player, consistent, enduring elite-level career, scored more goals for Argentina. But, you know, Maradona. It doesn't take more than a second's thought. I think that's a bit how your question comes across to those who lived through Gazza's career. *edit- I'm not trying to say Gazza was as good as Maradona before anyone goes berserk Bobby Robson said he was the best young player at Italia '90.(Probably by some distance.) I think some of his so called friends,if they have anything passing for a conscience,must have a compelling sense of unease at the state of the guy today. I used to buy into the 'Fergie would have sorted him out...' line of thought,but now i'm not so sure. Lazio signed him to build a team around,envisaged him as a captain and leader,but ultimately became tired of the buffoonery and emotional immaturity despite his brilliance for the game.Though I think he's still respected by the fans there? They still unfurl banners with his name on..
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Gazza
May 22, 2020 13:50:54 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2020 13:50:54 GMT
The Maradona film was another eye opener Really enjoyed the Maradona series. I genuinely didn't know how it worked out for him in Mexico so just binged the last 3 episodes in one night. What channel/streaming site is the Maradonna film on?
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Post by werrington on May 22, 2020 13:58:42 GMT
Really enjoyed the Maradona series. I genuinely didn't know how it worked out for him in Mexico so just binged the last 3 episodes in one night. What channel/streaming site is the Maradonna film on? It was on channel 4 on 21st March mate ....I’ve still got it on my shows so that’s how I know It was on for nearly 3 hours but it was captivating
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 22, 2020 14:09:20 GMT
The Ronnie O'Sullivan of footy.
Disliked and vilified by many for his antics outside of the sport, so people automatically (and wrongly) presume his fame was borne out of his antics and he must therefore have been overrated as a player.
But also like Ronnie, probably the most naturally gifted Englishmen the sport has ever seen.
He just made it all look soooo easy on the pitch (and soooo hard off it!). A complete and utter joy to watch when on song, even if you didn't like who he was playing for at the time it didn't matter, it was just lovely seeing someone do those things with a football.
(P.S. I'd forgotten just how fucking horrible that grey strip was, so apologies if it causes offence!)
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2020 14:16:22 GMT
The Ronnie O'Sullivan of footy. Disliked and vilified by many for his antics outside of the sport, so people automatically (and wrongly) presume his fame was borne out of his antics and he must therefore have been overrated as a player. But also like Ronnie, probably the most naturally gifted Englishmen the sport has ever seen. He just made it all look soooo easy on the pitch (and soooo hard off it!). A complete and utter joy to watch when on song, even if you didn't like who he was playing for at the time it didn't matter, it was just lovely seeing someone do those things with a football. (P.S. I'd forgotten just how fucking horrible that grey strip was, so apologies if it causes offence!) never ever seen a decent grey kit
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Gazza
May 22, 2020 14:17:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 14:17:12 GMT
Bobby Robson said he was the best young player at Italia '90.(Probably by some distance.) I think some of his so called friends,if they have anything passing for a conscience,must have a compelling sense of unease at the state of the guy today. I used to buy into the 'Fergie would have sorted him out...' line of thought,but now i'm not so sure. Lazio signed him to build a team around,envisaged him as a captain and leader,but ultimately became tired of the buffoonery and emotional immaturity despite his brilliance for the game .Though I think he's still respected by the fans there? They still unfurl banners with his name on.. He was seen more of a cult figure, came with this this massive expectation and rarely produced. His goal v Roma papered over a lot of cracks. His stupid pranks weren't popular and players and press had little time for his stupidity. Saw his debut v Genoa and a couple more games and he was a passenger. I remember one game he was superb v possibly Udinese but didn't do it v the big boys. I don't think he grasped that the Italian people didn't see him as this loveable clown that he tried to be and whilst the British press maybe thought fake knockers and belching was funny, the Italians didn't. So many ex players detested him in Italy 'On the field, a string of minor injuries halted Gazza’s progress, and on 24 January 1993 he was dropped for a home game against Juventus. Zoff cited his “poor physical condition”, and following the game, journalists were keen to get the player’s point of view. Gascoigne, already frustrated with his critics, was in press silence and responded by burping into the microphone of a Rai journalist.' Summed him up for me.
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Post by numpty40 on May 22, 2020 14:17:33 GMT
Really enjoyed the Maradona series. I genuinely didn't know how it worked out for him in Mexico so just binged the last 3 episodes in one night. What channel/streaming site is the Maradonna film on? Just had a quick look on All4 streaming channel bayern but it states it's 'unavailable' which is a shame. Like I said I enjoyed the Netflis series, that's worth watching if you haven't seen it.
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Post by werrington on May 22, 2020 14:22:10 GMT
What channel/streaming site is the Maradonna film on? Just had a quick look on All4 streaming channel bayern but it states it's 'unavailable' which is a shame. Like I said I enjoyed the Netflis series, that's worth watching if you haven't seen it. www.channel4.com/programmes/diego-maradona
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Post by supersimonstainrod on May 22, 2020 14:22:45 GMT
Bobby Robson said he was the best young player at Italia '90.(Probably by some distance.) I think some of his so called friends,if they have anything passing for a conscience,must have a compelling sense of unease at the state of the guy today. I used to buy into the 'Fergie would have sorted him out...' line of thought,but now i'm not so sure. Lazio signed him to build a team around,envisaged him as a captain and leader,but ultimately became tired of the buffoonery and emotional immaturity despite his brilliance for the game.Though I think he's still respected by the fans there? They still unfurl banners with his name on.. I'll make that revered not respected then...😉 It's easy to forget the extent of Gazza mania after Italia '90. His move to Lazio was perhaps the predominant reason for Channel 4 choosing to show Italian football in the first place. Not for nothing was the first game screened Sampdoria v Lazio.(Even though PG didn't play.) Nice article: www.football-italia.net/25502/gazza%E2%80%99s-lazio-debut-%E2%80%93-20-years-today
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Gazza
May 22, 2020 14:23:05 GMT
Post by Squeekster on May 22, 2020 14:23:05 GMT
The Ronnie O'Sullivan of footy. Disliked and vilified by many for his antics outside of the sport, so people automatically (and wrongly) presume his fame was borne out of his antics and he must therefore have been overrated as a player. But also like Ronnie, probably the most naturally gifted Englishmen the sport has ever seen. He just made it all look soooo easy on the pitch (and soooo hard off it!). A complete and utter joy to watch when on song, even if you didn't like who he was playing for at the time it didn't matter, it was just lovely seeing someone do those things with a football. (P.S. I'd forgotten just how fucking horrible that grey strip was, so apologies if it causes offence!) Fooking youtube montage can make anyone look good!
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Post by PotterLog on May 22, 2020 14:26:21 GMT
They still unfurl banners with his name on.. He was seen more of a cult figure, came with this this massive expectation and rarely produced. His goal v Roma papered over a lot of cracks. His stupid pranks weren't popular and players and press had little time for his stupidity. Saw his debut v Genoa and a couple more games and he was a passenger. I remember one game he was superb v possibly Udinese but didn't do it v the big boys. I don't think he grasped that the Italian people didn't see him as this loveable clown that he tried to be and whilst the British press maybe thought fake knockers and belching was funny, the Italians didn't. So many ex players detested him in Italy 'On the field, a string of minor injuries halted Gazza’s progress, and on 24 January 1993 he was dropped for a home game against Juventus. Zoff cited his “poor physical condition”, and following the game, journalists were keen to get the player’s point of view. Gascoigne, already frustrated with his critics, was in press silence and responded by burping into the microphone of a Rai journalist.' Summed him up for me. You don't like him, we get it. Lazio fans adored him and still adore him.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 14:34:39 GMT
He was seen more of a cult figure, came with this this massive expectation and rarely produced. His goal v Roma papered over a lot of cracks. His stupid pranks weren't popular and players and press had little time for his stupidity. Saw his debut v Genoa and a couple more games and he was a passenger. I remember one game he was superb v possibly Udinese but didn't do it v the big boys. I don't think he grasped that the Italian people didn't see him as this loveable clown that he tried to be and whilst the British press maybe thought fake knockers and belching was funny, the Italians didn't. So many ex players detested him in Italy 'On the field, a string of minor injuries halted Gazza’s progress, and on 24 January 1993 he was dropped for a home game against Juventus. Zoff cited his “poor physical condition”, and following the game, journalists were keen to get the player’s point of view. Gascoigne, already frustrated with his critics, was in press silence and responded by burping into the microphone of a Rai journalist.' Summed him up for me. You don't like him, we get it. Lazio fans adored him and still adore him. I wouldn't use the term as a collective there .Plenty saw him as an utter waste of money and oxygen. Was their massive trophy signing who never produced the goods. He ended up never playing for a top club for a reason. The money they spent on him they could have had literally the pick of World talent
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2020 14:35:32 GMT
What channel/streaming site is the Maradonna film on? Just had a quick look on All4 streaming channel bayern but it states it's 'unavailable' which is a shame. Like I said I enjoyed the Netflis series, that's worth watching if you haven't seen it. Yeah I'll both to my list, thank you both
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Gazza
May 22, 2020 14:55:50 GMT
Post by oldpotter1950 on May 22, 2020 14:55:50 GMT
what is the actual name of the documentary about gascoigne
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