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Post by mattyd on May 20, 2020 12:14:37 GMT
Jez Moxey is CEO at Burton, wonder if he's feeling the pinch.
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Post by PotterLog on May 20, 2020 15:35:18 GMT
Was he a good player or not? I could never decide. Decent'ish player. But he could never fill his dad's boots. I had the good fortune to see his dad play a number of times. He was a proper goal machine for Middlesborough and then S'land. Nigel is a lovely lad and a credit to his dad. He carried on the good name of the Clough family (yes, I know old Cloughie blotted his page with his addiction to alcohol, but on the whole he was a good bloke) without being controversial. Nigel stepping down to help Burton out is typical of the lad. He'll soon get another job when this virus stuff is over (if not before) so I wish him well. OS. From what I've seen and read I don't think Clough Sr. was all that nice to Nigel growing up. I'm sure he saw it as tough love but he seemed to be very critical of him, putting him down and undermining his achievements. From what I remember it was more towards Nigel than his brother as well, or at least that's how Nigel saw it. So all the more credit to Nigel really, if that's true.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2020 10:16:39 GMT
Decent'ish player. But he could never fill his dad's boots. I had the good fortune to see his dad play a number of times. He was a proper goal machine for Middlesborough and then S'land. Nigel is a lovely lad and a credit to his dad. He carried on the good name of the Clough family (yes, I know old Cloughie blotted his page with his addiction to alcohol, but on the whole he was a good bloke) without being controversial. Nigel stepping down to help Burton out is typical of the lad. He'll soon get another job when this virus stuff is over (if not before) so I wish him well. OS. From what I've seen and read I don't think Clough Sr. was all that nice to Nigel growing up. I'm sure he saw it as tough love but he seemed to be very critical of him, putting him down and undermining his achievements. From what I remember it was more towards Nigel than his brother as well, or at least that's how Nigel saw it. So all the more credit to Nigel really, if that's true. Did he give any reason as to why? Maybe he saw that Nigel had something about him and needed (or in B.Clough's eyes needed) that push to actually what he was capable of doing?
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Post by PotterLog on May 21, 2020 16:33:31 GMT
From what I've seen and read I don't think Clough Sr. was all that nice to Nigel growing up. I'm sure he saw it as tough love but he seemed to be very critical of him, putting him down and undermining his achievements. From what I remember it was more towards Nigel than his brother as well, or at least that's how Nigel saw it. So all the more credit to Nigel really, if that's true. Did he give any reason as to why? Maybe he saw that Nigel had something about him and needed (or in B.Clough's eyes needed) that push to actually what he was capable of doing? I think it was more that Brian always saw the older brother as the golden boy and acted like he was the smart one who would do well in life (and maybe football as well, can’t remember now). “Why can’t you be more like your brother” sort of thing. Possibly also what spurred Nigel on to succeed where his brother didn’t. It’s a recollection of a couple of interviews I read/heard years ago, I might be mixing it up a bit but it was somat like that.
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Post by PotterLog on May 21, 2020 16:42:34 GMT
Incidentally amid a bit of googling I found out N. Clough is Forest’s second-highest goalscorer of all time. Wouldn’t have picked that 😯
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 22, 2020 10:50:12 GMT
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Post by nott1 on May 22, 2020 15:27:39 GMT
Incidentally amid a bit of googling I found out N. Clough is Forest’s second-highest goalscorer of all time. Wouldn’t have picked that 😯 He was there a long time though, but a decent record nevertheless.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 22, 2020 21:33:09 GMT
Before a junior game Nige was playing in his dad walked in the dressing room to see his son looking distraught with a red mark on his face. An opposing player had barged into the dressing room and threw a cup of hot tea over him. Colugo snr was furious. It was having a go at Nigel because of who his dad is. He called the police 👮♀️. I doubt if much came of it but it demonstrates the lengths he was prepared to go to in protecting him from dad based abuse.
Brian said he was really proud once on the Forest team bus. In the mirror he saw Des Walker tell a new player not to worry about saying anything in front of Nige because it’d stick and he wouldn’t tell his dad.
For all the complications it involves they seemed to have a good working relationship.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 5, 2020 16:10:54 GMT
Great appointment for Mansfield
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Nov 5, 2020 21:26:44 GMT
Great appointment for Mansfield They had been linked with Paul Cook as well so they must have been aiming high.
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Post by musik on Nov 6, 2020 3:07:34 GMT
And now ... Jake Buxton takes over his role.
I mixed him up with Lewis Buxton, the former Stoke player.
Not brothers? 🤔
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 10, 2020 21:00:00 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2020 21:32:37 GMT
Something else must have gone on at Burton Sarge, any idea. I thought when he resigned he was doing it for the good of the club and he'd had enough and was retiring. Shirley Burton could have afforded the same wages as Mansfield? Edit - unless of course he could see the writing on the wall as Burton are complete gash at the minute.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 10, 2020 21:39:12 GMT
Something else must have gone on at Burton Sarge, any idea. I thought when he resigned he was doing it for the good of the club and he'd had enough and was retiring. Shirley Burton could have afforded the same wages as Mansfield? Edit - unless of course he could see the writing on the wall as Burton are complete gash at the minute. As far as I know he wanted his and his staff’s wages off the monthly salary Ben Robinson had to pay out due to Covid and with Jake Buxton already getting a wage it was a way of cutting costs🤔
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Post by boothenender on Nov 10, 2020 21:43:25 GMT
Young Cloughie is a chip off the old block. My opinion of his old man Brian is the same as many others. The greatest Manager never to manage England. Nigel Clough is a decent bloke. You don't see many of his type in modern football these days. His old fella will be looking down on young Cloughie with a heart full of pride and rightly so.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2020 21:51:57 GMT
Something else must have gone on at Burton Sarge, any idea. I thought when he resigned he was doing it for the good of the club and he'd had enough and was retiring. Shirley Burton could have afforded the same wages as Mansfield? Edit - unless of course he could see the writing on the wall as Burton are complete gash at the minute. As far as I know he wanted his and his staff’s wages off the monthly salary Ben Robinson had to pay out due to Covid and with Jake Buxton already getting a wage it was a way of cutting costs🤔 I'm not denying Cloughie's a decent bloke I've spoken to him a couple of times and he's a proper nice fella. I just thought it was a weird move made even weirder by taking the Stags job. If he wanted his wage off the bank they could have been furloughed couldn't they? Unless he was on an un sustainable wage in the first place.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 10, 2020 21:55:26 GMT
As far as I know he wanted his and his staff’s wages off the monthly salary Ben Robinson had to pay out due to Covid and with Jake Buxton already getting a wage it was a way of cutting costs🤔 I'm not denying Cloughie's a decent bloke I've spoken to him a couple of times and he's a proper nice fella. I just thought it was a weird move made even weirder by taking the Stags job. If he wanted his wage off the bank they could have been furloughed couldn't they? Unless he was on an un sustainable wage in the first place. I really don’t know then mate but he had a fantastic relationship with Robinson I know that. I notice he’s taken Simon with him again as a scout
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2020 22:00:11 GMT
I'm not denying Cloughie's a decent bloke I've spoken to him a couple of times and he's a proper nice fella. I just thought it was a weird move made even weirder by taking the Stags job. If he wanted his wage off the bank they could have been furloughed couldn't they? Unless he was on an un sustainable wage in the first place. I really don’t know then mate but he had a fantastic relationship with Robinson I know that. I notice he’s taken Simon with him again as a scout He did. And Ben seems like a nice bloke too so I don't think he'd have pushed him out. Not that I know him well I do walk past his house regularly though. He lives next door to Paddy Consadine the actor. Posh round my way don't you know.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 10, 2020 22:05:27 GMT
I really don’t know then mate but he had a fantastic relationship with Robinson I know that. I notice he’s taken Simon with him again as a scout He did. And Ben seems like a nice bloke too so I don't think he'd have pushed him out. Not that I know him well I do walk past his house regularly though. He lives next door to Paddy Consadine the actor. Posh round my way don't you know. Stretton,Winshill🤔🤣
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2020 22:06:49 GMT
He did. And Ben seems like a nice bloke too so I don't think he'd have pushed him out. Not that I know him well I do walk past his house regularly though. He lives next door to Paddy Consadine the actor. Posh round my way don't you know. Stretton,Winshill🤔🤣 I live in Stretton they live in Anslow.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 10, 2020 22:09:53 GMT
I live in Stretton they live in Anslow. Where’s Anslow?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2020 22:13:06 GMT
I live in Stretton they live in Anslow. Where’s Anslow? Out towards St Georges Park. Up the hill from the Beacon pub (if you know it).
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 10, 2020 22:14:58 GMT
Out towards St Georges Park. Up the hill from the Beacon pub (if you know it). Cheers mate I’d never heard of it
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 10, 2020 22:22:10 GMT
I live in England, which is just down the road from Scotland, only England is much posher, and the football's better.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Nov 10, 2020 23:09:43 GMT
I'm not denying Cloughie's a decent bloke I've spoken to him a couple of times and he's a proper nice fella. I just thought it was a weird move made even weirder by taking the Stags job. If he wanted his wage off the bank they could have been furloughed couldn't they? Unless he was on an un sustainable wage in the first place. I really don’t know then mate but he had a fantastic relationship with Robinson I know that. I notice he’s taken Simon with him again as a scout Simon will sniff out the bargains in Scotland for the stags.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Nov 10, 2020 23:17:34 GMT
Something else must have gone on at Burton Sarge, any idea. I thought when he resigned he was doing it for the good of the club and he'd had enough and was retiring. Shirley Burton could have afforded the same wages as Mansfield? Edit - unless of course he could see the writing on the wall as Burton are complete gash at the minute. Burton have been gradually shedding players over the last two years who had been on championship money, so it started before the pandemic. Crucially they’ve lost flair players like Liam Boyce, Scott Fraser, Marcus Harness and David Templeton quite quickly, and it looks like there’s no one to fill there boots yet. They might well be on a downward curve line Yeovil Town. I think Ben Robinson is key here because Burton never spent their way up the pyramid. It’s because they’re a well run club who stick to budgets. I believe also that they never received the full transfer fee for Jackson Irvine from Hull, all transfer income being absolutely crucial to the Brewers.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2020 23:29:42 GMT
Something else must have gone on at Burton Sarge, any idea. I thought when he resigned he was doing it for the good of the club and he'd had enough and was retiring. Shirley Burton could have afforded the same wages as Mansfield? Edit - unless of course he could see the writing on the wall as Burton are complete gash at the minute. Burton have been gradually shedding players over the last two years who had been on championship money, so it started before the pandemic. Crucially they’ve lost flair players like Liam Boyce, Scott Fraser, Marcus Harness and David Templeton quite quickly, and it looks like there’s no one to fill there boots yet. They might well be on a downward curve line Yeovil Town. I think Ben Robinson is key here because Burton never spent their way up the pyramid. It’s because they’re a well run club who stick to budgets. I believe also that they never received the full transfer fee for Jackson Irvine from Hull, all transfer income being absolutely crucial to the Brewers. You could be right mate. Despite living only a mile from their ground I've only been a few times since they got into the football league. And 3 of those were as an away fan. And while I keep an eye on their results I haven't got a clue what's going on there. I only know 2 of their players, John Brayford and Kane Hemmings who's a local lad and a school mate of my eldest son and I knew his dad Tony. I did used to go to the old ground because you could often get in for nowt and not the Twenty five sodding quid like it is now (was). Edit - Tell a lie Ben Fox is the son of a mate but I don't know if he even gets a game.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Nov 10, 2020 23:40:17 GMT
Burton have been gradually shedding players over the last two years who had been on championship money, so it started before the pandemic. Crucially they’ve lost flair players like Liam Boyce, Scott Fraser, Marcus Harness and David Templeton quite quickly, and it looks like there’s no one to fill there boots yet. They might well be on a downward curve line Yeovil Town. I think Ben Robinson is key here because Burton never spent their way up the pyramid. It’s because they’re a well run club who stick to budgets. I believe also that they never received the full transfer fee for Jackson Irvine from Hull, all transfer income being absolutely crucial to the Brewers. You could be right mate. Despite living only a mile from their ground I've only been a few times since they got into the football league. And 3 of those were as an away fan. And while I keep an eye on their results I haven't got a clue what's going on there. I only know 2 of their players, John Brayford and Kane Hemmings who's a local lad and a school mate of my eldest son and I knew his dad Tony. I did used to go to the old ground because you could often get in for nowt and not the Twenty five sodding quid like it is now (was). Edit - Tell a lie Ben Fox is the son of a mate but I don't know if he even gets a game. They’ve signed more players (and loans) then I can ever remember. They also didn’t have massive losses like most league one teams, that’s enabled them to sign players. There’s some premier league loans in there too. I fancied them as an outside bet for the playoffs, but watching that shambles against Barnet you wonder what’s going on. Ben Fox is back in the squad after a lengthy period out, and reminds me of a young Paul Ware. Kane Hemmings is now amongst the goals, but Buxton needs to get a tune out of that team fast.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2020 23:44:43 GMT
You could be right mate. Despite living only a mile from their ground I've only been a few times since they got into the football league. And 3 of those were as an away fan. And while I keep an eye on their results I haven't got a clue what's going on there. I only know 2 of their players, John Brayford and Kane Hemmings who's a local lad and a school mate of my eldest son and I knew his dad Tony. I did used to go to the old ground because you could often get in for nowt and not the Twenty five sodding quid like it is now (was). Edit - Tell a lie Ben Fox is the son of a mate but I don't know if he even gets a game. They’ve signed more players (and loans) then I can ever remember. They also didn’t have massive losses like most league one teams, that’s enabled them to sign players. There’s some premier league loans in there too. I fancied them as an outside bet for the playoffs, but watching that shambles against Barnet you wonder what’s going on. Ben Fox is back in the squad after a lengthy period out, and reminds me of a young Paul Ware. Kane Hemmings is now amongst the goals, but Buxton needs to get a tune out of that team fast. Blimey you're right I've just had a look on Google they've got some well known (if old) names. They should be doing way better than they are. Is it a step up too soon for Buxton?
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Post by Dutchpeter on Nov 10, 2020 23:53:51 GMT
They’ve signed more players (and loans) then I can ever remember. They also didn’t have massive losses like most league one teams, that’s enabled them to sign players. There’s some premier league loans in there too. I fancied them as an outside bet for the playoffs, but watching that shambles against Barnet you wonder what’s going on. Ben Fox is back in the squad after a lengthy period out, and reminds me of a young Paul Ware. Kane Hemmings is now amongst the goals, but Buxton needs to get a tune out of that team fast. Blimey you're right I've just had a look on Google they've got some well known (if old) names. They should be doing way better than they are. Is it a step up too soon for Buxton? On current evidence quite possibly, i think the players they have should be good enough for mid table. Ben Robinson is a patient chairman and will give Bucko a fair crack. I think someone like John Askey would be a perfect fit, but I’m sure he’s content at Vale. Candidates for replacement don’t exactly stick out, and Bucko may turn it around.
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