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Post by s7oke on Apr 26, 2020 5:38:46 GMT
They can keep mine if it helps them. I would even go as far as buying my three season tickets and let them keep the money for the running of the club if next season was cancelled. And no I don’t have plenty of money I’m always in my overdraft 🙈
But it’s the club I support and they have some damned good people doing good things down there behind the scenes
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Post by RF10 on Apr 26, 2020 8:03:50 GMT
Whilst it's extremely nice for everyone willing to donate the money to oversee cost of non playing staff, are we really forgetting the organisation which owns the club and the revenue they receive.
Our season tickets are extremely well priced and I won't be chasing a refund however when other clubs charge in region of £1000 the money owing can make a difference to people and if that was the case given the situation we are currently in would almost certainly want a refund, purely to help me get by.
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Apr 26, 2020 8:21:54 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 26, 2020 8:21:54 GMT
Definitely should be the individuals choice how the money is spent.
As someone else suggested, you can’t ignore the fact the owners of stoke city are incredibly wealthy.
For them, keeping the relatively small number of non playing staff (compared to a company of relative size) paid won’t cost them too much.
I would gladly donate the money to a charity, who will be struggling in these tough times.
Are Stoke City struggling in these tough times? Slightly perhaps, as most businesses are, but not anywhere near the level of other businesses or charities.
Supporters should be given a choice.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 26, 2020 8:49:29 GMT
But you don't claim to support Centre Parks you do claim to support Stoke City Don't really see the relevance of whether it's a football club that owes me money or any other industry. If you've not got something you've paid for, you should be entitled to your money back. So you view your relationship with Stoke to be on the same basis as your relationship with Tesco or a restaurant?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 26, 2020 9:24:34 GMT
I think it's probably going to be very difficult for the club to give refunds on anything until they know how and if the season is going to be finished.
As for away tickets, they might no longer even HAVE that money and even if they did, legally (I'm only guessing) it might not be their's to return. Would that money actually now belong to Reading and Wigan and they too will be in the same boat as Stoke are, with regard to how the season will or won't be completed.
There might be an insurance aspect to it too (again I'm only guessing) where clubs can't start returning money until the games have actually been officially cancelled.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 9:26:28 GMT
When are the club coughing up for refunds ...the season is finished either way to fans Have you rang them and asked the question just out of interest? I would suggest doing that first thing tomorrow if not.....
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 26, 2020 10:11:35 GMT
When are the club coughing up for refunds ... the season is finished either way to fans The whole point is, the season isn’t finished. No decision has been made yet, and whilst it’s unlikely fans will be watching games any time soon, there’s no definitive line that allows clubs to know 100% if the remaining games will be played, if so when, and if supporters will be allowed.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Apr 26, 2020 10:43:01 GMT
Don't really see the relevance of whether it's a football club that owes me money or any other industry. If you've not got something you've paid for, you should be entitled to your money back. So you view your relationship with Stoke to be on the same basis as your relationship with Tesco or a restaurant? Very weird comment. I can't really see what the problem is in wanting money back. Just because it's a football club I support gives them the right to keep my money and offer no communication back on refunds? I think you're blinded by the red and white tinged glasses you're wearing.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 26, 2020 11:20:25 GMT
I think it's probably going to be very difficult for the club to give refunds on anything until they know how and if the season is going to be finished. As for away tickets, they might no longer even HAVE that money and even if they did, legally (I'm only guessing) it might not be their's to return. Would that money actually now belong to Reading and Wigan and they too will be in the same boat as Stoke are, with regard to how the season will or won't be completed. There might be an insurance aspect to it too (again I'm only guessing) where clubs can't start returning money until the games have actually been officially cancelled. I think you have correctly identified some of the issues. Another one is the possibility that the game might be played behind closed doors and those who've brought tickets being offered a free stream as an alternative. At the end of the day, Stafford is of course right in law, that fans will be entitled to a full refund, and eventually will get it, unless a football club has gone into administration or liquidation (which might well happen to some), but it might not happen in the near future, just as it doesn't happen quickly with other industries. I'm owed refunds for airline tickets, theatre tickets, cricket tickets, snooker tickets and rail tickets. Personally, I'm not stressing too much about it, but I'm very conscious that I've not lost income over this awful business, and for those who have it's a very different story.
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Post by zerps on Apr 26, 2020 13:39:48 GMT
They can have my wife and kids
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Post by brumstokie on Apr 26, 2020 14:31:10 GMT
They can have my wife and kids You’re not interested in helping the club then😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 14:32:43 GMT
Or to the coffers of a gambling giant. Hardly a charity is it? The staff are sill getting paid which is credit to them. the money doesn't go into the 'coffers' of BET365 Denise made £250m last year, I'd imagine that's comparable, if not larger, than the total amount of money they pay to staff in a year.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Apr 26, 2020 20:04:36 GMT
It's one of them. If the club contacted me offering a refund then I'd probably take it. But I'm not going to go chasing it as I understand that the situation is completely out of the club's control and I understand that the club needs all the revenue it can get right now.
As for chasing it, it would be down to individual circumstances. If someone has lost their job or is self employed in an area which is likely to be hugely affected by social distancing regulations for a long time, I wouldn't judge them for chasing a refund.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:11:03 GMT
The staff are sill getting paid which is credit to them. the money doesn't go into the 'coffers' of BET365 Denise made £250m last year, I'd imagine that's comparable, if not larger, than the total amount of money they pay to staff in a year. What is your point? We're talking about the club
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Post by matelot1996 on Apr 26, 2020 20:37:42 GMT
When are the club coughing up for refunds ...the season is finished either way to fans Why do you want a refund? You were happy to support the club with your season ticket money, the club are now supporting all staff with full pay consider it as a donation to a good cause. It’s a really simple concept. Pay up front for 23 games a season. If you don’t get to attend those games due to them not being available to fans, then we get refunded. Don’t give me all this bollocks about supporting your club. Not when players are on average £1.5 Million+ a year. Silly comment.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 26, 2020 21:42:56 GMT
Why do you want a refund? You were happy to support the club with your season ticket money, the club are now supporting all staff with full pay consider it as a donation to a good cause. It’s a really simple concept. Pay up front for 23 games a season. If you don’t get to attend those games due to them not being available to fans, then we get refunded. Don’t give me all this bollocks about supporting your club. Not when players are on average £1.5 Million+ a year. Silly comment. It really isn't that "simple" at all, there are many factors in play here. Imagine if you were a season ticket holder at (say) Charlton ... where do you think that they are going to get the money to make those refunds you are talking about? THAT money was spent along time ago, indeed there are numerous clubs across the country, right now, who are relying on the season ticket sales for NEXT season to get them through the next few months but of course (quite understandably) season ticket sales for next season, across the board, are down. The only hope for refunds in such an instance, is that there is appropriate insurance in place to cover such a crisis (but even that isn't guaranteed) and it's almost certain that the insurance companies won't pay out, until those matches are officially cancelled. Just because OUR club is owned by very wealthy people, doesn't then mean that they aren't running a business in very precarious times, subjected to highly unusual forces. Football clubs that have existed for many decades are going to go to the wall in the next 12 months, the structure of the league could change like we could never have imagined but thankfully WE'LL be one of the lucky ones. When we come through this, WE'LL still have a football club to support and I'm sure that every single penny that everybody believes that they are owed will have been repaid to them by our club but sadly, there's a real possibility that many supporters of other clubs won't end up with either of those things.
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Post by stokester1989 on Apr 27, 2020 10:32:24 GMT
If the season comes to an end, I wonder if they could offer the current season ticket holders £62.70 of their next season ticket.
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 27, 2020 11:01:58 GMT
If the season comes to an end, I wonder if they could offer the current season ticket holders £62.70 of their next season ticket. You’d imagine that they would have to offer a proportionate discount off next season, or a refund for the amount of games remaining.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 19:31:11 GMT
If the season comes to an end, I wonder if they could offer the current season ticket holders £62.70 of their next season ticket. You’d imagine that they would have to offer a proportionate discount off next season, or a refund for the amount of games remaining. I'll be happy if they just re-locate the fat bloke in front of me so I can see the other 37% of the pitch
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Post by Uncle cheese on Apr 27, 2020 19:41:07 GMT
You’d imagine that they would have to offer a proportionate discount off next season, or a refund for the amount of games remaining. I'll be happy if they just re-locate the fat bloke in front of me so I can see the other 37% of the pitch I’m not going anywhere
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Post by kjpt140v on Apr 27, 2020 22:51:07 GMT
So from a few comments I’m expected to pay for turnstile bob to stay at home .....and like I have said further up on this post and on other sites I will give anything I receive back to charity BMW Bet you don't
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Post by wrightspies on Apr 27, 2020 23:13:28 GMT
It's absolutely brilliant what PC has done over the past few weeks not denying that. However he is one of the richest people on the planet. That few quid will mean nothing to him whereas I have to save and budget for things like my season ticket. I will be taking any refund for both my season ticket and away tickets.
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 28, 2020 6:51:46 GMT
I have the remaining games for the season ticket and 2 away tickets at Wigan away
My view is that the amount due back will be calculated and offered as money off for next season, so the season ticket becomes circa £320 as opposed to £420 for example
As for the away games, I would be happy with the teams also allowing us to have the tickets next season providing of course their in the same division. If not they can put their meager £25 towards their survival as their going to need it
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Post by petepogo on Apr 28, 2020 7:50:10 GMT
they can have the rest of my season ticket after 55 years ive finished with stoke city and intend to do other things on a saturday
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Post by sportsman on Apr 28, 2020 8:16:08 GMT
they can have the rest of my season ticket after 55 years ive finished with stoke city and intend to do other things on a saturday Cheers
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Post by olie1824 on Apr 28, 2020 8:59:25 GMT
I dont want a refund, would rather see it go towards helping staff stay in jobs.
If any refunds do happen I'll be going straight down to the club shop (when they open) and putting mine straight back into the club
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 28, 2020 9:36:21 GMT
The staff are sill getting paid which is credit to them. the money doesn't go into the 'coffers' of BET365 Denise made £250m last year, I'd imagine that's comparable, if not larger, than the total amount of money they pay to staff in a year. Quite apart from all the other complicating factors, many of which Paul Spencer has identified, there is also the issue of the profit and sustainability rules, previously known as Financial Fair Play, which means that it's not as simple as rich owners just pouring money in football cubs.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 28, 2020 10:21:10 GMT
Denise made £250m last year, I'd imagine that's comparable, if not larger, than the total amount of money they pay to staff in a year. Quite apart from all the other complicating factors, many of which Paul Spencer has identified, there is also the issue of the profit and sustainability rules, previously known as Financial Fair Play, which means that it's not as simple as rich owners just pouring money in football cubs. I've been thinking about this quite a bit Malcolm and FFP clearly will need to be suspended or measures added to account for Covid-19. Those clubs that have self financed like Stoke and done the right thing cannot be penalised compared with those that have reduced their wage bill either by furlough or negotion with players. As Alex Neil points out if that reduction in costs was later used to finance new signings when we eventually get started it would be morally wrong. As would penalising clubs on income because they had to play behind closed doors. They might only be small margins for some but FFP will have to take account of this. It will be an almighty bun fight especially in the EFL given the difficulty gaining consensus on anything financial.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 28, 2020 10:35:02 GMT
they can have the rest of my season ticket after 55 years ive finished with stoke city and intend to do other things on a saturday Unbelievable. See you as soon as we get back into the Prem.
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Post by walton corner on Apr 28, 2020 11:53:20 GMT
So from a few comments I’m expected to pay for turnstile bob to stay at home .....and like I have said further up on this post and on other sites I will give anything I receive back to charity BMW Bet you don't Trust me I will ...as I stated the moment football stopped on my own stoke group which has raised thousands for charity
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