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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 12, 2020 10:27:09 GMT
Four years & the sanctimonious, condescending losers still can't get over it.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 12, 2020 10:29:07 GMT
I agree with pretty much all of that? But isn’t it a sad indictment of the British people that they don’t want to see the Brexit project be completed to a high standard? If it bores the Dolly’s off people why not take up a hobby and avoid watching the news? The Brexit project has only appeared a success because the Tory tabloid press has told them it is! We’re just 5 months from leaving, having left politically so where is this economic miracle? We’ve had 4 years of below par growth and a devalued currency and that’s before Covid!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 12, 2020 11:48:09 GMT
I agree with pretty much all of that? But isn’t it a sad indictment of the British people that they don’t want to see the Brexit project be completed to a high standard? If it bores the Dolly’s off people why not take up a hobby and avoid watching the news? The Brexit project has only appeared a success because the Tory tabloid press has told them it is! We’re just 5 months from leaving, having left politically so where is this economic miracle? We’ve had 4 years of below par growth and a devalued currency and that’s before Covid! You couldn't really ignore it though, Nick, if you've watched the news over the last four years, which most adults do in some form or another. But yes, I agree, it is a reflection on the general level of engagement of most of the electorate in politics. They don't really understand it, it bores the shit out of them (especially the same topic over and over again, regardless of whether it's the single most important political change in this country for decades), to most people it's just some completely out of touch silver spoon elitists shouting at each other over stuff that has nothing to do with their own lives, so why be interested? To anyone who doesn't think this is the case, do a little experiment - ask the first ten people you come across to name the leaders of the three main parties. I'll guarantee that 8/10 can't. (It's a bit of a trick question at the moment because the LDs only have an acting leader, but then, if you knew anything about politics you'd be aware of that). And then this blond, waffling character turns up who's a bit funny, says daft things, quotes Latin, shags around, flattens Japanese schoolkids, he's a larf in'e...and that's why we are where we are... My lad made me chuckle the other day: he was laughing at some of the guff people come out with and he suggested giving people one vote a year. This vote could be used on whatever political election was being held that year (local elections, by-election, general election etc) or X Factor, Love Island, Big Brother, The Voice etc etc! Sounds quite attractive doesn't it
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 22, 2020 7:51:44 GMT
Interesting to see another significant change in Labour under Starmer - their approach to foreign affairs is noticeably more hawkish towards Russia and Japan. None of the prevarication towards Russia over the election interference that Corbyn showed over the Salisbury poisoning and they’ve now discovered a voice to oppose the Chinese treatment of Uighur Muslims whereas Corbyn was conspicuously silent on the subject.
This is to be welcomed.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 22, 2020 9:42:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 9:51:49 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Jul 22, 2020 10:14:59 GMT
Shouldn't you be waiting for the full details of the report to be made public before deciding if this is 'laughable' or not?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 10:21:25 GMT
Interesting to see another significant change in Labour under Starmer - their approach to foreign affairs is noticeably more hawkish towards Russia and Japan. None of the prevarication towards Russia over the election interference that Corbyn showed over the Salisbury poisoning and they’ve now discovered a voice to oppose the Chinese treatment of Uighur Muslims whereas Corbyn was conspicuously silent on the subject. This is to be welcomed. His stance on Salisbury was perfectly reasonable and in line with most of our European partners at the time, and the rule of International Law: “The attack in Salisbury was an appalling act of violence, which we condemn in the strongest terms. The Russian authorities must be held to account on the basis of the evidence and our response must be both decisive and proportionate.” Corbyn and McDonnell proposed imposing sanctions on Russians involved in corruption and human rights violations and denying their access to the UK. The Tories have always rejected financial sanctions, not surprising of course with all the Russian money floating around from oligarchs keen to write them cheques on a regular basis. Fair point on the Uighur Muslims, Corbyn has tabled motions around China's oppression in Tibet and the suppression of workers rights/trade unions previously but never specifically the Uighur Muslims. In fact of the 2 motions tabled in parliament specifically around Uighur Muslims, one had 16 signatures supporting (7 Labour, 0 Conservatives, 9 others) and one had 17 (11 Labour including John McDonnell, 2 Conservatives, 4 others). Which shows the lack of appetite across the House in general. So I guess if it's welcome that Starmer's party have recognised the oppression of Uighur Muslims unlike previous leaders, it's only fair to highlight they haven't yet mentioned the oppression of the Yemeni population being massacred by the Saudis using British built weaponry. But all violations of International Law should be fought against, so it's certainly welcome.......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 10:33:11 GMT
Shouldn't you be waiting for the full details of the report to be made public before deciding if this is 'laughable' or not? I look forward to reading the findings, but can't see that there will be enough in a report from a statutory body to warrant him having the whip withdrawn as it's investigating the party mechanics above anything. I remain sceptical of the EHRC as an organisation, their lack of action on Islamophobia, the likes of Pavita Cooper sitting whilst actively fundraising for the Tories, accusations of racism withing the EHRC itself over BAME staff being targeted for redundancy etc. We'll see fairly soon I guess.......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 22, 2020 11:00:15 GMT
So Starmer has completely prejudged and effectively discredited the Forde enquiry and the leaked report. The is a misappropriation of party funds and members should take action.
Starmer is grade a cunt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 11:03:18 GMT
So Starmer has completely prejudged and effectively discredited the Forde enquiry and the leaked report. The is a misappropriation of party funds and members should take action. Starmer is grade a cunt. They are by leaving in their droves, but Starmer won't mind that. An endorsement by Murdoch 2/3 years down the line is all he needs, he won't need to bother with boots on the ground campaigning if that happens......
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 22, 2020 11:07:59 GMT
So Starmer has completely prejudged and effectively discredited the Forde enquiry and the leaked report. The is a misappropriation of party funds and members should take action. Starmer is grade a cunt. Couldn't agree more
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 22, 2020 11:52:23 GMT
Interesting to see another significant change in Labour under Starmer - their approach to foreign affairs is noticeably more hawkish towards Russia and Japan. None of the prevarication towards Russia over the election interference that Corbyn showed over the Salisbury poisoning and they’ve now discovered a voice to oppose the Chinese treatment of Uighur Muslims whereas Corbyn was conspicuously silent on the subject. This is to be welcomed. His stance on Salisbury was perfectly reasonable and in line with most of our European partners at the time, and the rule of International Law: “The attack in Salisbury was an appalling act of violence, which we condemn in the strongest terms. The Russian authorities must be held to account on the basis of the evidence and our response must be both decisive and proportionate.” Corbyn and McDonnell proposed imposing sanctions on Russians involved in corruption and human rights violations and denying their access to the UK. The Tories have always rejected financial sanctions, not surprising of course with all the Russian money floating around from oligarchs keen to write them cheques on a regular basis. Fair point on the Uighur Muslims, Corbyn has tabled motions around China's oppression in Tibet and the suppression of workers rights/trade unions previously but never specifically the Uighur Muslims. In fact of the 2 motions tabled in parliament specifically around Uighur Muslims, one had 16 signatures supporting (7 Labour, 0 Conservatives, 9 others) and one had 17 (11 Labour including John McDonnell, 2 Conservatives, 4 others). Which shows the lack of appetite across the House in general. So I guess if it's welcome that Starmer's party have recognised the oppression of Uighur Muslims unlike previous leaders, it's only fair to highlight they haven't yet mentioned the oppression of the Yemeni population being massacred by the Saudis using British built weaponry. But all violations of International Law should be fought against, so it's certainly welcome....... Lisa Nandy: Jeremy Corbyn got it 'totally wrong' over Salisbury poisonings
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 11:57:53 GMT
His stance on Salisbury was perfectly reasonable and in line with most of our European partners at the time, and the rule of International Law: “The attack in Salisbury was an appalling act of violence, which we condemn in the strongest terms. The Russian authorities must be held to account on the basis of the evidence and our response must be both decisive and proportionate.” Corbyn and McDonnell proposed imposing sanctions on Russians involved in corruption and human rights violations and denying their access to the UK. The Tories have always rejected financial sanctions, not surprising of course with all the Russian money floating around from oligarchs keen to write them cheques on a regular basis. Fair point on the Uighur Muslims, Corbyn has tabled motions around China's oppression in Tibet and the suppression of workers rights/trade unions previously but never specifically the Uighur Muslims. In fact of the 2 motions tabled in parliament specifically around Uighur Muslims, one had 16 signatures supporting (7 Labour, 0 Conservatives, 9 others) and one had 17 (11 Labour including John McDonnell, 2 Conservatives, 4 others). Which shows the lack of appetite across the House in general. So I guess if it's welcome that Starmer's party have recognised the oppression of Uighur Muslims unlike previous leaders, it's only fair to highlight they haven't yet mentioned the oppression of the Yemeni population being massacred by the Saudis using British built weaponry. But all violations of International Law should be fought against, so it's certainly welcome....... Lisa Nandy: Jeremy Corbyn got it 'totally wrong' over Salisbury poisoningsNothing article. To repeat his comments on Salisbury were parroted across Europe in line with International Law. I don't need a political weather vain like Nandy to help me come to my own conclusion......
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 22, 2020 12:07:02 GMT
His stance on Salisbury was perfectly reasonable and in line with most of our European partners at the time, and the rule of International Law: “The attack in Salisbury was an appalling act of violence, which we condemn in the strongest terms. The Russian authorities must be held to account on the basis of the evidence and our response must be both decisive and proportionate.” Corbyn and McDonnell proposed imposing sanctions on Russians involved in corruption and human rights violations and denying their access to the UK. The Tories have always rejected financial sanctions, not surprising of course with all the Russian money floating around from oligarchs keen to write them cheques on a regular basis. Fair point on the Uighur Muslims, Corbyn has tabled motions around China's oppression in Tibet and the suppression of workers rights/trade unions previously but never specifically the Uighur Muslims. In fact of the 2 motions tabled in parliament specifically around Uighur Muslims, one had 16 signatures supporting (7 Labour, 0 Conservatives, 9 others) and one had 17 (11 Labour including John McDonnell, 2 Conservatives, 4 others). Which shows the lack of appetite across the House in general. So I guess if it's welcome that Starmer's party have recognised the oppression of Uighur Muslims unlike previous leaders, it's only fair to highlight they haven't yet mentioned the oppression of the Yemeni population being massacred by the Saudis using British built weaponry. But all violations of International Law should be fought against, so it's certainly welcome....... Lisa Nandy: Jeremy Corbyn got it 'totally wrong' over Salisbury poisoningsShe is intitled to hold her opinions But if Starmer Was against corbyn's response to Russia Against corbyn's stance on anti semitism Why did he continue to serve in a Corbyn shadow cabinet Why didn't he stand by his beliefs and resign You can't insist on collective responsibility only when it suits But I'll give you a clue he is man of little principle who is prepared to say or do whatever is required A lawyer through and through And Corbyn for all his faults and there are many is twice the politician and man than Starmer will ever be
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 22, 2020 13:11:03 GMT
She is intitled to hold her opinions But if Starmer Was against corbyn's response to Russia Against corbyn's stance on anti semitism Why did he continue to serve in a Corbyn shadow cabinet Why didn't he stand by his beliefs and resign You can't insist on collective responsibility only when it suits But I'll give you a clue he is man of little principle who is prepared to say or do whatever is required A lawyer through and through And Corbyn for all his faults and there are many is twice the politician and man than Starmer will ever be 😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 17:28:08 GMT
Oh dear.....
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 19, 2020 9:29:02 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 19, 2020 9:57:04 GMT
I'm sure none of this has gone unnoticed by Gove et al, no doubt some whispers in the right ears could make life more difficult for the Bluffer.
If I was him, I'd seriously consider citing ongoing health reasons as an excuse for calling it a day. No-one would blame him following his brush with the grim reaper and it'd be a convenient smokescreen to cover his general ineptitude. I suspect most people would welcome it and wish him all the best, as far away from a position of responsibility as possible.
I remember when the overwhelming response internationally when May appointed the Bluffer as Foreign Secretary was incredulity and laughter. They were clearly right. He couldn't hack that post either so why anyone thought he'd make a good PM is anyone's guess.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 19, 2020 10:19:59 GMT
I'm sure none of this has gone unnoticed by Gove et al, no doubt some whispers in the right ears could make life more difficult for the Bluffer. If I was him, I'd seriously consider citing ongoing health reasons as an excuse for calling it a day. No-one would blame him following his brush with the grim reaper and it'd be a convenient smokescreen to cover his general ineptitude. I suspect most people would welcome it and wish him all the best, as far away from a position of responsibility as possible. I remember when the overwhelming response internationally when May appointed the Bluffer as Foreign Secretary was incredulity and laughter. They were clearly right. He couldn't hack that post either so why anyone thought he'd make a good PM is anyone's guess. I'm beginning to think Johnson could well go - most likely next year when the current crises of cv19 and Brexit are (mostly) over. He is losing the confidence of the people who would vote for him and when you lose that it's very hard to regain. As you say, he has a great excuse to quit. In fairness to Johnson - he delivered a staggering election win.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 19, 2020 10:29:09 GMT
Bluffer likes the Caribbean? Why not make him the first president of Barbados? Good riddance too!😛
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 19, 2020 10:32:44 GMT
I'm sure none of this has gone unnoticed by Gove et al, no doubt some whispers in the right ears could make life more difficult for the Bluffer. If I was him, I'd seriously consider citing ongoing health reasons as an excuse for calling it a day. No-one would blame him following his brush with the grim reaper and it'd be a convenient smokescreen to cover his general ineptitude. I suspect most people would welcome it and wish him all the best, as far away from a position of responsibility as possible. I remember when the overwhelming response internationally when May appointed the Bluffer as Foreign Secretary was incredulity and laughter. They were clearly right. He couldn't hack that post either so why anyone thought he'd make a good PM is anyone's guess. I'm beginning to think Johnson could well go - most likely next year when the current crises of cv19 and Brexit are (mostly) over. He is losing the confidence of the people who would vote for him and when you lose that it's very hard to regain. As you say, he has a great excuse to quit. In fairness to Johnson - he delivered a staggering election win. Clownish politicians play a very dangerous game. That approach will cut you a fair amount of slack, it already has done throughout the Bluffer's life to date. But when the electorate stops laughing with you and starts laughing at you because you're in a position where you are now expected to have at least a degree of competence amidst all the bluff and bluster, things can go south very quickly. John Major was not a clownish politician. His govt was associated with sleaze and he never shook it off. The Bluffer's govt is now associated with rank incompetence and that might stick too. With an undercurrent of cronyism and sleaze too. You can see why the ratings are falling away. Brexit will give him a boost in January.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 19, 2020 10:57:40 GMT
I'm beginning to think Johnson could well go - most likely next year when the current crises of cv19 and Brexit are (mostly) over. He is losing the confidence of the people who would vote for him and when you lose that it's very hard to regain. As you say, he has a great excuse to quit. In fairness to Johnson - he delivered a staggering election win. Clownish politicians play a very dangerous game. That approach will cut you a fair amount of slack, it already has done throughout the Bluffer's life to date. But when the electorate stops laughing with you and starts laughing at you because you're in a position where you are now expected to have at least a degree of competence amidst all the bluff and bluster, things can go south very quickly. John Major was not a clownish politician. His govt was associated with sleaze and he never shook it off. The Bluffer's govt is now associated with rank incompetence and that might stick too. With an undercurrent of cronyism and sleaze too. You can see why the ratings are falling away. Brexit will give him a boost in January. It's too easy to dismiss him as a buffer and clown. There's more to the man. His performance this time last year when he was getting battered in parliament and in the media (and courts!) showed he has bottle and backbone. That counts. On the other hand, he hadn't, at that time fucked up in any serious way. That can't really be said now. But, as you say, his standing in early next year may be the deciding factor in how long he stays pm.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 19, 2020 11:04:00 GMT
A liar, a cheat, a chancer and a fraud. Completely unfit for office.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2020 11:15:16 GMT
I'm sure none of this has gone unnoticed by Gove et al, no doubt some whispers in the right ears could make life more difficult for the Bluffer. If I was him, I'd seriously consider citing ongoing health reasons as an excuse for calling it a day. No-one would blame him following his brush with the grim reaper and it'd be a convenient smokescreen to cover his general ineptitude. I suspect most people would welcome it and wish him all the best, as far away from a position of responsibility as possible. I remember when the overwhelming response internationally when May appointed the Bluffer as Foreign Secretary was incredulity and laughter. They were clearly right. He couldn't hack that post either so why anyone thought he'd make a good PM is anyone's guess. Boris will be gone by March next year, he won a landslide election removed the threat of a Marxist left wing government leading the UK, his job is done he is not strong enough especially since contracting the "virus", he will be replaced with Sajid Javid is my prediction, there is now a semi credible opposition leader in the Tory in a red tie they will combat that threat.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2020 11:17:09 GMT
A liar, a cheat, a chancer and a fraud. Completely unfit for office. Kier Starmer harsh I know he's more right wing than Bodger but that's harsh.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 19, 2020 11:20:39 GMT
A liar, a cheat, a chancer and a fraud. Completely unfit for office. Kier Starmer harsh I know he's more right wing than Bodger but that's harsh. No the lying bastard in the video. The lying bastard who took you for a complete idiot......
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2020 11:31:36 GMT
Kier Starmer harsh I know he's more right wing than Bodger but that's harsh. No the lying bastard in the video. The lying bastard who took you for a complete idiot...... Like the lying terrorist sympathising Marxist bastard he smashed back to his allotment, the December election result reflected more on the distrust and dislike the general public had for a Labour Party infested with far left Marxists, trots. and the unelectable Grandpa Racist, just contemplate that for a Mo. Boris like it or not has annihilated your far left dreams, his job is done once Brexit is sealed he will be gone
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 19, 2020 12:00:01 GMT
Make a succes of Brexit and he could go full term. The MSM and social media don't necessarily reflect the electorate. I think Starmer will continue his " reasonable lawyer" mindset and persona, hoping that it will pay off in the end.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 19, 2020 12:12:40 GMT
No the lying bastard in the video. The lying bastard who took you for a complete idiot...... Like the lying terrorist sympathising Marxist bastard he smashed back to his allotment, the December election result reflected more on the distrust and dislike the general public had for a Labour Party infested with far left Marxists, trots. and the unelectable Grandpa Racist, just contemplate that for a Mo. Boris like it or not has annihilated your far left dreams, his job is done once Brexit is sealed he will be gone Poor Boris Maybe you and 'the lads' could set up a just giving for him!
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