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Post by cheadlepotter on May 9, 2022 15:20:06 GMT
It would be fantastic if Starmer resigns and someone decent takes over, providing proper competition for the Tories and getting them into gear a bit more. This country needs a strong government and a strong opposition and at the moment it has neither.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 9, 2022 15:25:31 GMT
If he does go, the weasel word brigade will be going into overdrive on here and in the Conservative Party over why it's right that Starmer should go but it's fine for Johnson and Sunak to stay in post Something along the lines of "it's a decision for him and him alone", "his decision bears no relevance to the Prime Minister's position", "it wasn't a resigning matter [so Johnson and Sunak don't have to]" etc etc. Which translates to "yes, we know it's about integrity and that the PM and Chancellor have none, but fuck it, 30% will vote for them anyway, we'll take that, thanks"....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 9, 2022 15:51:06 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 9, 2022 15:56:48 GMT
It would be fantastic if Starmer resigns and someone decent takes over, providing proper competition for the Tories and getting them into gear a bit more. This country needs a strong government and a strong opposition and at the moment it has neither. They're only 'decent' if they are backed by the MSM and not slandered. The only way a Labour government can get in in this country is when the current Tory government are so bad AND when Labour have some conservative policies in their manifesto (i.e. are more centre-leaning). It's these things that get the media on side. Most people don't have the capacity to think critically and just form their opinions of people and parties based on the front pages of newspapers. That applies to both sides as well.
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Post by followyoudown on May 9, 2022 16:11:07 GMT
And you are exposing yet again your lack of understanding of the English language, clearly the link to the snp is not the only thing you have not read, try with a dictionary and look up the definition of hypocrisy. I've never called for Starmer to resign for breaking the rules but here's the thing even if I had it still wouldn't be hypocrisy, hypocrisy would be telling someone else they should resign for being investigated nevermind being fined then when you find yourself being investigated not resigning (theres always a tweet) It seems to me you are getting being partisan or one eyed as partick likes to call it mixed up with your new favourite hypocrisy word...... You are the one being critical of Starmer for his actions but you won’t be critical of Johnson for his, which are so, so much worse. I have criticised both, particularly if Starmer is fined. Starmer has said he will resign if fined. He has far more integrity than Johnson and by saying that, he has massively distanced himself from the shite in power. I am not partisan. I have never voted labour (save for Khan over Goldsmith for the London mayoral elections) and I have never voted Tory. So I do not support either party. Excellent you understand hypocrisy now and actually my criticism of Starmer has all been about he played politics with other people for doing the same as him and in the case of Sunak much less. And I didn't say you were partisan I said you are accusing me of hypocrisy when you actually mean..... Starmer has shown little to no integrity firstly as with Cummings Durham policy is not to issue retrospective fines, secondly for a former DPP to actually stand and try and nakedly influence a police investigation is I'm sure a genuine mistake, lastly Cummings got no FPN everyone considers him honest and trustworthy don't they - the public have already made their mind up on this just like with Boris and Cummings no amount of stage managed hand picked journalists to ask questions will change that.
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 9, 2022 16:23:30 GMT
It would be fantastic if Starmer resigns and someone decent takes over, providing proper competition for the Tories and getting them into gear a bit more. This country needs a strong government and a strong opposition and at the moment it has neither. They're only 'decent' if they are backed by the MSM and not slandered. The only way a Labour government can get in in this country is when the current Tory government are so bad AND when Labour have some conservative policies in their manifesto (i.e. are more centre-leaning). It's these things that get the media on side. Most people don't have the capacity to think critically and just form their opinions of people and parties based on the front pages of newspapers. That applies to both sides as well. Very true. I’ve always said that a lot of people vote in elections and referendums without actually knowing what they’re voting for or what the potential outcome means, and that also applies to both sides. Unfortunately I consider myself centre as I agree/disagree with policies of both sides so I’m as far away from both main parties as I can be, so i’d probably vote for a centre-left Labour.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 9, 2022 16:26:52 GMT
You are the one being critical of Starmer for his actions but you won’t be critical of Johnson for his, which are so, so much worse. I have criticised both, particularly if Starmer is fined. Starmer has said he will resign if fined. He has far more integrity than Johnson and by saying that, he has massively distanced himself from the shite in power. I am not partisan. I have never voted labour (save for Khan over Goldsmith for the London mayoral elections) and I have never voted Tory. So I do not support either party. Excellent you understand hypocrisy now and actually my criticism of Starmer has all been about he played politics with other people for doing the same as him and in the case of Sunak much less. And I didn't say you were partisan I said you are accusing me of hypocrisy when you actually mean..... Starmer has shown little to no integrity firstly as with Cummings Durham policy is not to issue retrospective fines, secondly for a former DPP to actually stand and try and nakedly influence a police investigation is I'm sure a genuine mistake, lastly Cummings got no FPN everyone considers him honest and trustworthy don't they - the public have already made their mind up on this just like with Boris and Cummings no amount of stage managed hand picked journalists to ask questions will change that. What? You literally said “ It seems to me you are getting being partisan”. You accused me of being partisan! Starmer has made Johnson look like a clown today
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Post by followyoudown on May 9, 2022 16:39:04 GMT
Excellent you understand hypocrisy now and actually my criticism of Starmer has all been about he played politics with other people for doing the same as him and in the case of Sunak much less. And I didn't say you were partisan I said you are accusing me of hypocrisy when you actually mean..... Starmer has shown little to no integrity firstly as with Cummings Durham policy is not to issue retrospective fines, secondly for a former DPP to actually stand and try and nakedly influence a police investigation is I'm sure a genuine mistake, lastly Cummings got no FPN everyone considers him honest and trustworthy don't they - the public have already made their mind up on this just like with Boris and Cummings no amount of stage managed hand picked journalists to ask questions will change that. What? You literally said “ It seems to me you are getting being partisan”. You accused me of being partisan! Starmer has made Johnson look like a clown today No I didn't you need to try reading what is actually written, have I accused you of hypocrisy nope, did you accuse me yes repeatedly until the helpful explainer for you which leads to the partisan comment.... Went well ok lets see about that actual aides of Starmer are briefing out they are trying to pressure the police which is kind of interesting could soon be into something much more serious.
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Post by essexstokey on May 9, 2022 16:42:48 GMT
A man of integrity unlike the tories a work event electioneering where they broke for food vs multiple parties that went onto the night
a man who isolated 6 times and didn't even go to hi grieving father in law vs a liar of multiple times who is fined by th police at least once
a man targeted by the tory machine to try and get the pm off there is no comparison whatso ever
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Post by oggyoggy on May 9, 2022 16:49:20 GMT
What? You literally said “ It seems to me you are getting being partisan”. You accused me of being partisan! Starmer has made Johnson look like a clown today No I didn't you need to try reading what is actually written, have I accused you of hypocrisy nope, did you accuse me yes repeatedly until the helpful explainer for you which leads to the partisan comment.... Went well ok lets see about that actual aides of Starmer are briefing out they are trying to pressure the police which is kind of interesting could soon be into something much more serious. I can’t understand the way you write.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 9, 2022 16:53:08 GMT
You are the one being critical of Starmer for his actions but you won’t be critical of Johnson for his, which are so, so much worse. I have criticised both, particularly if Starmer is fined. Starmer has said he will resign if fined. He has far more integrity than Johnson and by saying that, he has massively distanced himself from the shite in power. I am not partisan. I have never voted labour (save for Khan over Goldsmith for the London mayoral elections) and I have never voted Tory. So I do not support either party. Excellent you understand hypocrisy now and actually my criticism of Starmer has all been about he played politics with other people for doing the same as him and in the case of Sunak much less. And I didn't say you were partisan I said you are accusing me of hypocrisy when you actually mean..... Starmer has shown little to no integrity firstly as with Cummings Durham policy is not to issue retrospective fines, secondly for a former DPP to actually stand and try and nakedly influence a police investigation is I'm sure a genuine mistake, lastly Cummings got no FPN everyone considers him honest and trustworthy don't they - the public have already made their mind up on this just like with Boris and Cummings no amount of stage managed hand picked journalists to ask questions will change that. As I seem to recall it you used to be rather fond of Cummings, even starting posts with "Ha, ha, ha classic Dom!" . Glad to see that you now agree with what the rest of us always knew. As Mrs Merton might have asked, "What first attracted you the the idea that the Former Chief Adviser to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is a twat?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 9, 2022 17:02:38 GMT
I was going to say that Johnson must be praying that Starmer doesn't get fined and he doesn't end up looking even more of a moral bankrupt than he already does, but that assumes the man gives a fuck about anything other than what he wants at any given moment, so he'll probably brazen it all out whatever happens.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 9, 2022 17:09:34 GMT
They're only 'decent' if they are backed by the MSM and not slandered. The only way a Labour government can get in in this country is when the current Tory government are so bad AND when Labour have some conservative policies in their manifesto (i.e. are more centre-leaning). It's these things that get the media on side. Most people don't have the capacity to think critically and just form their opinions of people and parties based on the front pages of newspapers. That applies to both sides as well. Very true. I’ve always said that a lot of people vote in elections and referendums without actually knowing what they’re voting for or what the potential outcome means, and that also applies to both sides. Unfortunately I consider myself centre as I agree/disagree with policies of both sides so I’m as far away from both main parties as I can be, so i’d probably vote for a centre-left Labour. Perhaps "Citizenship" should be a compulsory GCSE and include a broad assessment of politics and how our system works, plus things like healthy eating, how mortgages and credit cards work, all sorts of useful stuff that contribute to making someone a responsible and informed member of society. Passing the GCSE gets you entered onto the electoral register. That'd weed out the apathetic and the know-nothings. You can retake the GCSE whenever you like if you want to become eligible to vote.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 9, 2022 17:23:18 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 9, 2022 17:30:07 GMT
I don’t think he’ll be found guilty - could open a lot of investigations up that have previously been considered complete but it takes any argument away from the Tories now until the investigation finishes. They can’t call him a hypocrite whilst the investigation is on-going because they would have to tell Boris and Rishi to step down.
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Post by Kilo on May 9, 2022 17:34:24 GMT
Very true. I’ve always said that a lot of people vote in elections and referendums without actually knowing what they’re voting for or what the potential outcome means, and that also applies to both sides. Unfortunately I consider myself centre as I agree/disagree with policies of both sides so I’m as far away from both main parties as I can be, so i’d probably vote for a centre-left Labour. Perhaps "Citizenship" should be a compulsory GCSE and include a broad assessment of politics and how our system works, plus things like healthy eating, how mortgages and credit cards work, all sorts of useful stuff that contribute to making someone a responsible and informed member of society. Passing the GCSE gets you entered onto the electoral register. That'd weed out the apathetic and the know-nothings. You can retake the GCSE whenever you like if you want to become eligible to vote. And what do you think should happen to the people you deem not clever enough to have a vote?
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Post by xchpotter on May 9, 2022 17:38:49 GMT
Feel sorry for the poor old Bobby investigating Starmer’s allegation. The pressure on them must be intense, wonder what rank it is being investigated at and which discipline is dealing, I.e. CID. I imagine it’s different to the average uniform plod who would’ve dealt with the lion’s share of breaches in forces across the country 😂😂
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 9, 2022 17:38:53 GMT
I was going to say that Johnson must be praying that Starmer doesn't get fined and he doesn't end up looking even more of a moral bankrupt than he already does, but that assumes the man gives a fuck about anything other than what he wants at any given moment, so he'll probably brazen it all out whatever happens. I think this is the best outcome for them too that being said between now and the conclusion of the investigation I imagine all government MPs will be in hiding again. Only the stupid will be willing to come and do public interviews between now and then; Dorries and Lewis are probably top of that list.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 9, 2022 18:21:41 GMT
Perhaps "Citizenship" should be a compulsory GCSE and include a broad assessment of politics and how our system works, plus things like healthy eating, how mortgages and credit cards work, all sorts of useful stuff that contribute to making someone a responsible and informed member of society. Passing the GCSE gets you entered onto the electoral register. That'd weed out the apathetic and the know-nothings. You can retake the GCSE whenever you like if you want to become eligible to vote. And what do you think should happen to the people you deem not clever enough to have a vote? Nothing. Why should anything have to happen to them? You worried?
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 9, 2022 18:30:59 GMT
I take as i find and I was impressed by Starmers integrity speech and offer to resign if fined. At least he has some integrity.
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Post by followyoudown on May 9, 2022 18:42:00 GMT
Excellent you understand hypocrisy now and actually my criticism of Starmer has all been about he played politics with other people for doing the same as him and in the case of Sunak much less. And I didn't say you were partisan I said you are accusing me of hypocrisy when you actually mean..... Starmer has shown little to no integrity firstly as with Cummings Durham policy is not to issue retrospective fines, secondly for a former DPP to actually stand and try and nakedly influence a police investigation is I'm sure a genuine mistake, lastly Cummings got no FPN everyone considers him honest and trustworthy don't they - the public have already made their mind up on this just like with Boris and Cummings no amount of stage managed hand picked journalists to ask questions will change that. As I seem to recall it you used to be rather fond of Cummings, even starting posts with "Ha, ha, ha classic Dom!" . Glad to see that you now agree with what the rest of us always knew. As Mrs Merton might have asked, "What first attracted you the the idea that the Former Chief Adviser to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is a twat? I look forward to you finding a single post I started in the way you suggest.
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Post by followyoudown on May 9, 2022 18:46:46 GMT
I take as i find and I was impressed by Starmers integrity speech and offer to resign if fined. At least he has some integrity. Each to their own but if someone found a wallet last week and 3 or 4 days later decided to hand it into the police, I wouldnt really consider it that honest or showing much integrity espicially when you are many times if you have found a wallet !
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 9, 2022 18:53:07 GMT
I take as i find and I was impressed by Starmers integrity speech and offer to resign if fined. At least he has some integrity. Each to their own but if someone found a wallet last week and 3 or 4 days later decided to hand it into the police, I wouldnt really consider it that honest or showing much integrity espicially when you are many times if you have found a wallet ! You are still extremely quiet on the honesty and integrity of one Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Where is it again you stand on that one?
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 9, 2022 18:53:27 GMT
I take as i find and I was impressed by Starmers integrity speech and offer to resign if fined. At least he has some integrity. Each to their own but if someone found a wallet last week and 3 or 4 days later decided to hand it into the police, I wouldnt really consider it that honest or showing much integrity espicially when you are many times if you have found a wallet ! i’m not talking about the act or being caught out. More the aftermath.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 9, 2022 18:58:21 GMT
As I seem to recall it you used to be rather fond of Cummings, even starting posts with "Ha, ha, ha classic Dom!" . Glad to see that you now agree with what the rest of us always knew. As Mrs Merton might have asked, "What first attracted you the the idea that the Former Chief Adviser to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is a twat? I look forward to you finding a single post I started in the way you suggest. Awkward. Again...
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 9, 2022 19:04:42 GMT
Very true. I’ve always said that a lot of people vote in elections and referendums without actually knowing what they’re voting for or what the potential outcome means, and that also applies to both sides. Unfortunately I consider myself centre as I agree/disagree with policies of both sides so I’m as far away from both main parties as I can be, so i’d probably vote for a centre-left Labour. Perhaps "Citizenship" should be a compulsory GCSE and include a broad assessment of politics and how our system works, plus things like healthy eating, how mortgages and credit cards work, all sorts of useful stuff that contribute to making someone a responsible and informed member of society. Passing the GCSE gets you entered onto the electoral register. That'd weed out the apathetic and the know-nothings. You can retake the GCSE whenever you like if you want to become eligible to vote. I’ve always liked the idea of at least being able to show some knowledge of what you’re voting for before but perhaps wouldn’t go quite as far. Maybe being asked to name three policies of the party you’re voting for but then that breaches the rules of your vote being private if you wish it to be. Of course if all media outlets reported honest, true articles then we’d have a better idea of what various parties truly stand for. I’m just sick of the shit show from both red and blue for years and to be honest because I’m only 35 I don’t really remember a decent government (I liked Labour and Blair but I was only in my young teens so can’t really say I knew much at all, probably liked them because they were ‘the reds’ 😂)
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 9, 2022 19:05:11 GMT
I take as i find and I was impressed by Starmers integrity speech and offer to resign if fined. At least he has some integrity. Each to their own but if someone found a wallet last week and 3 or 4 days later decided to hand it into the police, I wouldnt really consider it that honest or showing much integrity espicially when you are many times if you have found a wallet ! Struggling to understand that response, as per usual, must be the bouncy dogs again. However the point is it's a sight more honest than some bloke finding a wallet and going "I'll fucking have that, thanks" which is the approach, by way of contrast, that you've been defending day after day on here.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 9, 2022 19:07:25 GMT
Perhaps "Citizenship" should be a compulsory GCSE and include a broad assessment of politics and how our system works, plus things like healthy eating, how mortgages and credit cards work, all sorts of useful stuff that contribute to making someone a responsible and informed member of society. Passing the GCSE gets you entered onto the electoral register. That'd weed out the apathetic and the know-nothings. You can retake the GCSE whenever you like if you want to become eligible to vote. I’ve always liked the idea of at least being able to show some knowledge of what you’re voting for before but perhaps wouldn’t go quite as far. Maybe being asked to name three policies of the party you’re voting for but then that breaches the rules of your vote being private if you wish it to be. Of course if all media outlets reported honest, true articles then we’d have a better idea of what various parties truly stand for. I’m just sick of the shit show from both red and blue for years and to be honest because I’m only 35 I don’t really remember a decent government (I liked Labour and Blair but I was only in my young teens so can’t really say I knew much at all, probably liked them because they were ‘the reds’ 😂) It's the only time this century, and we're nearly a quarter of the way through it, that things have actually improved for ordinary people in this country.
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Post by followyoudown on May 9, 2022 19:18:33 GMT
Each to their own but if someone found a wallet last week and 3 or 4 days later decided to hand it into the police, I wouldnt really consider it that honest or showing much integrity espicially when you are many times if you have found a wallet ! i’m not talking about the act or being caught out. More the aftermath. He's known for 3 or 4 days the police are investigating, he was asked numerous times last week would he resign if..... Like I say each to their own but if you find a wallet do you need 3 or 4 days to decide to hand it in ? Honesty and Integrity if you want to make such a big deal out of it would to me indicate you should know immediately what should be done....
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 9, 2022 19:20:10 GMT
i’m not talking about the act or being caught out. More the aftermath. He's known for 3 or 4 days the police are investigating, he was asked numerous times last week would he resign if..... Like I say each to their own but if you find a wallet do you need 3 or 4 days to decide to hand it in ? Honesty and Integrity if you want to make such a big deal out of it would to me indicate you should know immediately what should be done.... You are still extremely quiet on the honesty and integrity of one Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Where is it again you stand on that one?
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