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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 17, 2021 17:25:16 GMT
Do you want to highlight the specific bit that is anti-semitic that would help maybe? Then you could answer my question maybe as well........ The first paragraph literally says two jewish members set themselves the task of preventing a corbyn led government from ever imposing sanctions on israel, look at the working definition that specifically mentions accusing jewish people of being more loyal to Israel or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide than to the interests of their own nations, its also getting pretty close to the conspiracy example but then you knew that already perhaps you can invent another imagined interview to try and justify your claims. And no I wont be answering your question based on a meme, please provide transcripts blah blah blah and even then I doubt I will bother replying why waste my time for you to dismiss as waffle anything inconvenient. Then I won't be answering yours either, that's not how debating works. See ya.......
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 17, 2021 17:38:56 GMT
The first paragraph literally says two jewish members set themselves the task of preventing a corbyn led government from ever imposing sanctions on israel, look at the working definition that specifically mentions accusing jewish people of being more loyal to Israel or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide than to the interests of their own nations, its also getting pretty close to the conspiracy example but then you knew that already perhaps you can invent another imagined interview to try and justify your claims. And no I wont be answering your question based on a meme, please provide transcripts blah blah blah and even then I doubt I will bother replying why waste my time for you to dismiss as waffle anything inconvenient. Then I won't be answering yours either, that's not how debating works. See ya....... You havent been answering anyway just waffle and deflection.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 17, 2021 17:39:47 GMT
Then I won't be answering yours either, that's not how debating works. See ya....... You havent been answering anyway just waffle and deflection. Have a nice evening........
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 17, 2021 17:42:26 GMT
You havent been answering anyway just waffle and deflection. Have a nice evening........ You too enjoy your ken loach dvds after the game
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 19, 2021 17:37:36 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 19, 2021 18:13:24 GMT
Of course if she does feel threatened it's all the leaders fault and it's only right that he be brought to account......
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 19, 2021 18:26:46 GMT
Of course if she does feel threatened it's all the leaders fault and it's only right that he be brought to account...... Hence the first line of my post. At least it's not been put down to Brexit/Tory government etc. So do transgender rights trump (yeah I know he's gone so calm down) freedom of political association?
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 19, 2021 18:55:50 GMT
Of course if she does feel threatened it's all the leaders fault and it's only right that he be brought to account...... He should be very clearly speaking out in support of her, he has at least had the decency to contact her privately but thats not good enough, it appears the Liberal democrats have gone down the same rabbit hole under Davey.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 19, 2021 19:05:19 GMT
Of course if she does feel threatened it's all the leaders fault and it's only right that he be brought to account...... Hence the first line of my post. At least it's not been put down to Brexit/Tory government etc. So do transgender rights trump (yeah I know he's gone so calm down) freedom of political association? Transgender rights should be given the same treatment as any other human rights shouldn’t they?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 19, 2021 19:06:39 GMT
Of course if she does feel threatened it's all the leaders fault and it's only right that he be brought to account...... He should be very clearly speaking out in support of her, he has at least had the decency to contact her privately but thats not good enough, it appears the Liberal democrats have gone down the same rabbit hole under Davey. what rabbit hole would that be?
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 19, 2021 19:13:28 GMT
He should be very clearly speaking out in support of her, he has at least had the decency to contact her privately but thats not good enough, it appears the Liberal democrats have gone down the same rabbit hole under Davey. what rabbit hole would that be?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2021 19:29:09 GMT
what rabbit hole would that be? Just when you think Lib Dems have half a chance of becoming a sensible party and forming some kind of opposition, we get this.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 19, 2021 19:55:39 GMT
Just when you think Lib Dems have half a chance of becoming a sensible party and forming some kind of opposition, we get this. Yes there are lots of very seriouz areas around those children being transitioned, young lesbians being told there are transphobic if they wont date pre op transwomen lesbians, casual and regular threats of violence to anyone who disagrees etc etc Like most people I believe everyone should be free to live their best life however they wish and have relationships with whoever wants to have a relationship with them provided they are over the age of consent of course but the idea you or me could announce we now wish to be considered as woman and tomorrow automatically gain access to every space and service available to a woman I do find troubling as do many women.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 19, 2021 20:03:11 GMT
Hence the first line of my post. At least it's not been put down to Brexit/Tory government etc. So do transgender rights trump (yeah I know he's gone so calm down) freedom of political association? Transgender rights should be given the same treatment as any other human rights shouldn’t they? Yes if genuine; me dressing in a dress and declaring my sexuality, no - it's not genuine. Which is where the inclusivity dream espoused primarily by 'the left' comes unstuck imo. Do Labour/Starmer back their MP's opinions "only women have a cervix" or support 'inclusivity'. Being 'a bit' of a transphobe is like being a bit dead. It doesn't exist. Knowing Starmer he'll sort his position on Rosie Duffield out as soon as he's sorted out the position of the Whip for the member for Islington North.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2021 20:06:08 GMT
Just when you think Lib Dems have half a chance of becoming a sensible party and forming some kind of opposition, we get this. Yes there are lots of very seriouz areas around those children being transitioned, young lesbians being told there are transphobic if they wont date pre op transwomen lesbians, casual and regular threats of violence to anyone who disagrees etc etc Like most people I believe everyone should be free to live their best life however they wish and have relationships with whoever wants to have a relationship with them provided they are over the age of consent of course but the idea you or me could announce we now wish to be considered as woman and tomorrow automatically gain access to every space and service available to a woman I do find troubling as do many women. Indeed. I have no problem with anyone identifying as a woman or man. But that doesn't make them a woman or man. As you say it immediately becomes dangerous for all sorts of reasons, none more so than being a total assault on women's rights (and indeed, men's).
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 19, 2021 20:09:12 GMT
what rabbit hole would that be? The usual waffle from a man that stands for very little......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 19, 2021 20:29:40 GMT
Transgender rights should be given the same treatment as any other human rights shouldn’t they? Yes if genuine; me dressing in a dress and declaring my sexuality, no - it's not genuine. Which is where the inclusivity dream espoused primarily by 'the left' comes unstuck imo. Do Labour/Starmer back their MP's opinions "only women have a cervix" or support 'inclusivity'. Being 'a bit' of a transphobe is like being a bit dead. It doesn't exist. Knowing Starmer he'll sort his position on Rosie Duffield out as soon as he's sorted out the position of the Whip for the member for Islington North. It's a complex argument, and to be fair when you get into the real intricacies of it I don't mind admitting one that leaves me feeling out of my depth. Rosie Duffield hasn't just been criticised for her "only women have a cervix" comment though just to be clear, she had two of her own staffers who were LGBT quit citing her transphobic views and has been criticised for a number of comments such as "trans people are mostly heterosexuals cosplaying as the opposite sex”. Interestingly though when you look on social media and a number of polls there is a real divide certainly amongst LGBT people about whose side of the fence they sit on which I guess is often how these things are, it's not one "community" with the same views it's a cross section of people from all backgrounds. As for Starmer he'll do what his focus group thinks is the right thing no doubt.......
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 19, 2021 20:45:56 GMT
Yes if genuine; me dressing in a dress and declaring my sexuality, no - it's not genuine. Which is where the inclusivity dream espoused primarily by 'the left' comes unstuck imo. Do Labour/Starmer back their MP's opinions "only women have a cervix" or support 'inclusivity'. Being 'a bit' of a transphobe is like being a bit dead. It doesn't exist. Knowing Starmer he'll sort his position on Rosie Duffield out as soon as he's sorted out the position of the Whip for the member for Islington North. It's a complex argument, and to be fair when you get into the real intricacies of it I don't mind admitting one that leaves me feeling out of my depth. Rosie Duffield hasn't just been criticised for her "only women have a cervix" comment though just to be clear, she had two of her own staffers who were LGBT quit citing her transphobic views and has been criticised for a number of comments such as "trans people are mostly heterosexuals cosplaying as the opposite sex”. Interestingly though when you look on social media and a number of polls there is a real divide certainly amongst LGBT people about whose side of the fence they sit on which I guess is often how these things are, it's not one "community" with the same views it's a cross section of people from all backgrounds. As for Starmer he'll do what his focus group thinks is the right thing no doubt....... Should she have the Whip withdrawn? Is it as serious as "alleged" antisemitism for example?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2021 21:20:21 GMT
The usual waffle from a man that stands for very little...... Have we ever had a more incompetent, shit parliament? The lack of leadership within all parties is astounding.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 19, 2021 21:20:37 GMT
To be honest I forgot Kier Starmer still existed.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 19, 2021 21:22:14 GMT
It's a complex argument, and to be fair when you get into the real intricacies of it I don't mind admitting one that leaves me feeling out of my depth. Rosie Duffield hasn't just been criticised for her "only women have a cervix" comment though just to be clear, she had two of her own staffers who were LGBT quit citing her transphobic views and has been criticised for a number of comments such as "trans people are mostly heterosexuals cosplaying as the opposite sex”. Interestingly though when you look on social media and a number of polls there is a real divide certainly amongst LGBT people about whose side of the fence they sit on which I guess is often how these things are, it's not one "community" with the same views it's a cross section of people from all backgrounds. As for Starmer he'll do what his focus group thinks is the right thing no doubt....... Should she have the Whip withdrawn? Is it as serious as "alleged" antisemitism for example? Honestly I'd have to look into it in more detail, in the main I have no issue with her views around the safe spaces for women arguments and the whole sex/gender debate from the bits I've seen. I have seen quotes attributed to her that go beyond that where she's conflating men who have transitioned with sex offenders and various other dogwhistles. If she's guilty of transphobia then of course it's as serious as antisemitism as with any form of bigotry, of course "alleged" transphobia and antisemitism aren't necessarily the same.....
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 19, 2021 22:16:19 GMT
Just when you think Lib Dems have half a chance of becoming a sensible party and forming some kind of opposition, we get this. To be honest I’ve never considered the Lib Dems as being a sensible party and forming an opposition 😂😂.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 20, 2021 6:01:56 GMT
Transgender rights should be given the same treatment as any other human rights shouldn’t they? Yes if genuine; me dressing in a dress and declaring my sexuality, no - it's not genuine. Which is where the inclusivity dream espoused primarily by 'the left' comes unstuck imo. Do Labour/Starmer back their MP's opinions "only women have a cervix" or support 'inclusivity'. Being 'a bit' of a transphobe is like being a bit dead. It doesn't exist. Knowing Starmer he'll sort his position on Rosie Duffield out as soon as he's sorted out the position of the Whip for the member for Islington North. So he’ll wrongly withdraw it then
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 22, 2021 18:06:09 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 22, 2021 18:54:52 GMT
Great topic to choose before the conference, it’s not like there’s much going on in the world. The bloke’s fucking useless…….
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 22, 2021 19:09:04 GMT
Great topic to choose before the conference, it’s not like there’s much going on in the world. The bloke’s fucking useless……. I thought I was going to enjoy watching this chancer unravel, but in reality it's just sad. Sad that people have been duped into putting their faith in him.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 26, 2021 9:11:46 GMT
Just when you think Lib Dems have half a chance of becoming a sensible party and forming some kind of opposition, we get this. To be honest I’ve never considered the Lib Dems as being a sensible party and forming an opposition 😂😂. And another one....
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 26, 2021 9:37:55 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 26, 2021 9:50:07 GMT
Keep digging dont worry though momentum are here hold their beer
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 26, 2021 9:58:02 GMT
Keep digging dont worry though momentum are here hold their beer She really is a nasty piece of work isn't she. As bad as this Conservative (very unconservative) government are, Labour are somehow in even more of a mess. Does anyone actually have a clue what Labour stand for anymore given the multiple different factions within the party? With this Conservative party showing similar levels of incompetence and integrity, we desperately reform in parliament - Excuse the pun 😉
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