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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 10, 2021 10:10:41 GMT
That Brexit bounce didn't last very long. They really are going to have to start casting around for someone else to demonise if they're going to re-energise their base... Westminster voting intention LAB: 40% (+1) CON: 39% (-) LDEM: 6% (-) GRN: 4% (-) via @opiniumresearch, 06 - 07 Jan
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 10, 2021 10:24:50 GMT
That Brexit bounce didn't last very long. They really are going to have to start casting around for someone else to demonise if they're going to re-energise their base... Westminster voting intention LAB: 40% (+1) CON: 39% (-) LDEM: 6% (-) GRN: 4% (-) via @opiniumresearch, 06 - 07 Jan The Tories stubbornly remain at 39-40% throughout this pandemic............
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 10, 2021 10:40:52 GMT
That Brexit bounce didn't last very long. They really are going to have to start casting around for someone else to demonise if they're going to re-energise their base... Westminster voting intention LAB: 40% (+1) CON: 39% (-) LDEM: 6% (-) GRN: 4% (-) via @opiniumresearch, 06 - 07 Jan The Tories stubbornly remain at 39-40% throughout this pandemic............ Yes, but you only have to read this site to appreciate that, no matter how incompetent a Tory govt might show itself to be, the imaginary opposition govt is always doing worse, hence that solid core support of minimum 30-35%. Even John Major's disastrous govt of sleaze and ineptitude still picked up 31% of the vote!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 10, 2021 11:02:55 GMT
The Tories stubbornly remain at 39-40% throughout this pandemic............ Yes, but you only have to read this site to appreciate that, no matter how incompetent a Tory govt might show itself to be, the imaginary opposition govt is always doing worse, hence that solid core support of minimum 30-35%. Even John Major's disastrous govt of sleaze and ineptitude still picked up 31% of the vote! Starmer probably needs to start giving his speeches in front of a bigger Union Jack, or maybe more Union Jacks, or he should just go all out and wear a Union Jack suit with red bowler hat. Or he could just come on wearing a t-shirt saying "Please come back to me Red Wall voters"
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 10, 2021 11:20:32 GMT
Yes, but you only have to read this site to appreciate that, no matter how incompetent a Tory govt might show itself to be, the imaginary opposition govt is always doing worse, hence that solid core support of minimum 30-35%. Even John Major's disastrous govt of sleaze and ineptitude still picked up 31% of the vote! Starmer probably needs to start giving his speeches in front of a bigger Union Jack, or maybe more Union Jacks, or he should just go all out and wear a Union Jack suit with red bowler hat. Or he could just come on wearing a t-shirt saying "Please come back to me Red Wall voters" Or maybe starmer needs to just fuck off and allow labour to be run by a politician with more than a ounce of integrity
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 10, 2021 11:35:34 GMT
Starmer probably needs to start giving his speeches in front of a bigger Union Jack, or maybe more Union Jacks, or he should just go all out and wear a Union Jack suit with red bowler hat. Or he could just come on wearing a t-shirt saying "Please come back to me Red Wall voters" Or maybe starmer needs to just fuck off and allow labour to be run by a politician with more than a ounce of integrity Who would you like to see as leader of the Labour Party?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 10, 2021 11:53:25 GMT
Or maybe starmer needs to just fuck off and allow labour to be run by a politician with more than a ounce of integrity Who would you like to see as leader of the Labour Party? Well if I was a Labour Party member I would of voted for long Bailey in the leadership election Starmer in my opinion with his ridiculous stance on Europe was the main reason the Tory’s one such a big majority Who would I have as leader well I don’t know enough about the front bench to make a decision Though from what I’ve seen over the last few months has not been impressive Just because I can’t come up with a ready replacement doesn’t alter the fact starmer isn’t up to the job He comes across to me as someone who if they gave you a handshake you’d count your fingers afterwards had similar feeling about Blair Oh and by the way I have no time for boris either
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 10, 2021 12:19:46 GMT
Yes, but you only have to read this site to appreciate that, no matter how incompetent a Tory govt might show itself to be, the imaginary opposition govt is always doing worse, hence that solid core support of minimum 30-35%. Even John Major's disastrous govt of sleaze and ineptitude still picked up 31% of the vote! Starmer probably needs to start giving his speeches in front of a bigger Union Jack, or maybe more Union Jacks, or he should just go all out and wear a Union Jack suit with red bowler hat. Or he could just come on wearing a t-shirt saying "Please come back to me Red Wall voters" Or practice some Socialism!
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Post by thevoid on Jan 10, 2021 12:44:33 GMT
Who would you like to see as leader of the Labour Party? Well if I was a Labour Party member I would of voted for long Bailey in the leadership election Starmer in my opinion with his ridiculous stance on Europe was the main reason the Tory’s one such a big majority Who would I have as leader well I don’t know enough about the front bench to make a decision Though from what I’ve seen over the last few months has not been impressive Just because I can’t come up with a ready replacement doesn’t alter the fact starmer isn’t up to the job He comes across to me as someone who if they gave you a handshake you’d count your fingers afterwards had similar feeling about Blair Oh and by the way I have no time for boris either The party needs to distance itself from Corbynism, so what use would Long-Bailey be?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 10, 2021 13:07:45 GMT
Well if I was a Labour Party member I would of voted for long Bailey in the leadership election Starmer in my opinion with his ridiculous stance on Europe was the main reason the Tory’s one such a big majority Who would I have as leader well I don’t know enough about the front bench to make a decision Though from what I’ve seen over the last few months has not been impressive Just because I can’t come up with a ready replacement doesn’t alter the fact starmer isn’t up to the job He comes across to me as someone who if they gave you a handshake you’d count your fingers afterwards had similar feeling about Blair Oh and by the way I have no time for boris either The party needs to distance itself from Corbynism, so what use would Long-Bailey be? I’m not sure they need to distance themselves from what some call corbynism a lot of the policies are quite popular Corbyn was not the person to be a effective leader But starmer didn’t help with him and sidekicks constantly undermining him There is still an appetite for change All starmer represents is a Blair light vacuous bullshit little substance but no charisma
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Post by felonious on Jan 10, 2021 13:17:01 GMT
Or maybe starmer needs to just fuck off and allow labour to be run by a politician with more than a ounce of integrity Who would you like to see as leader of the Labour Party? Never understood why Labour didn't go for Yvette Cooper unless of course it's her sex that's the issue.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 10, 2021 16:05:52 GMT
The party needs to distance itself from Corbynism, so what use would Long-Bailey be? I’m not sure they need to distance themselves from what some call corbynism a lot of the policies are quite popular Corbyn was not the person to be a effective leader But starmer didn’t help with him and sidekicks constantly undermining him There is still an appetite for change All starmer represents is a Blair light vacuous bullshit little substance but no charisma Nonsense on so many levels! Starmer moving away from Corbyn and towards the centre is the only way the Labour Party will be seen as electable again by enough people in England to give them their vote to get in. And more importantly, for the right-wing dominated press to avoid describing them as "reds under the bed, the loony left, commies, etc etc" Give me somebody with competence, and a decent grasp of detail and policy over "charisma" any day. Boris has charisma. He's also an incompetent buffoon who's so out of his depth he can't work out or stick to a policy decision for 24hrs. The only reasons he's got to where he has are privilege, a nice soft, gentle ride from his mates in the Tory press and the electorate's ongoing and bizarre obsession with knowing its place and voting accordingly! Remember, this guy is so charismatic he shat out of an interview with Andrew Neil, rather than be shown up for the fool he is! Oh, and getting the self-harm of Brexit out of the news for the millions who were just fed up hearing about it!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 10, 2021 19:12:30 GMT
I’m not sure they need to distance themselves from what some call corbynism a lot of the policies are quite popular Corbyn was not the person to be a effective leader But starmer didn’t help with him and sidekicks constantly undermining him There is still an appetite for change All starmer represents is a Blair light vacuous bullshit little substance but no charisma Nonsense on so many levels! Starmer moving away from Corbyn and towards the centre is the only way the Labour Party will be seen as electable again by enough people in England to give them their vote to get in. And more importantly, for the right-wing dominated press to avoid describing them as "reds under the bed, the loony left, commies, etc etc" Give me somebody with competence, and a decent grasp of detail and policy over "charisma" any day. Boris has charisma. He's also an incompetent buffoon who's so out of his depth he can't work out or stick to a policy decision for 24hrs. The only reasons he's got to where he has are privilege, a nice soft, gentle ride from his mates in the Tory press and the electorate's ongoing and bizarre obsession with knowing its place and voting accordingly! Remember, this guy is so charismatic he shat out of an interview with Andrew Neil, rather than be shown up for the fool he is! Oh, and getting the self-harm of Brexit out of the news for the millions who were just fed up hearing about it! When Labour get someone with competence and a decent grasp of detail let us know. His appearance on Marr this morning was awful......
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 10, 2021 19:18:16 GMT
Yes, but you only have to read this site to appreciate that, no matter how incompetent a Tory govt might show itself to be, the imaginary opposition govt is always doing worse, hence that solid core support of minimum 30-35%. Even John Major's disastrous govt of sleaze and ineptitude still picked up 31% of the vote! Starmer probably needs to start giving his speeches in front of a bigger Union Jack, or maybe more Union Jacks, or he should just go all out and wear a Union Jack suit with red bowler hat. Or he could just come on wearing a t-shirt saying "Please come back to me Red Wall voters" Or he could wear his "I love chics with dicks" t shirt but aside from picking up a few die hard members of the woke mob, I don't think it'd wash - particularly with Labour's religious vote.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 10, 2021 19:23:20 GMT
Starmer probably needs to start giving his speeches in front of a bigger Union Jack, or maybe more Union Jacks, or he should just go all out and wear a Union Jack suit with red bowler hat. Or he could just come on wearing a t-shirt saying "Please come back to me Red Wall voters" Or he could wear his "I love chics with dicks" t shirt but aside from picking up a few die hard members of the woke mob, I don't think it'd wash - particularly with Labour's religious vote. You need to get a new phrase fella, this “woke” shit in every post you make couldn’t be more boring.....
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 10, 2021 19:28:26 GMT
Or he could wear his "I love chics with dicks" t shirt but aside from picking up a few die hard members of the woke mob, I don't think it'd wash - particularly with Labour's religious vote. You need to get a new phrase fella, this “woke” shit in every post you make couldn’t be more boring..... Or maybe his "death to JK Rowling" t shirt.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 11, 2021 13:56:06 GMT
Starmer probably needs to start giving his speeches in front of a bigger Union Jack, or maybe more Union Jacks, or he should just go all out and wear a Union Jack suit with red bowler hat. Or he could just come on wearing a t-shirt saying "Please come back to me Red Wall voters" Or practice some Socialism! Not if he actually wants a chance of being elected.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 11, 2021 14:35:46 GMT
Who would you like to see as leader of the Labour Party? Never understood why Labour didn't go for Yvette Cooper unless of course it's her sex that's the issue. If she ends up with Ed Balls she must be doing something wrong ohhh or did you mean because she was female
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 11, 2021 14:54:29 GMT
Or practice some Socialism! Not if he actually wants a chance of being elected. I'm not sure that's correct. There's no doubt that England is drifting further to the right in many regards but things like re-nationalisation of certain industries, particularly Rail, have rarely garnered so much support. It just needs someone with some bollocks to drive it forward not the current guy whose sole idea of improving things is courting Murdoch and Millionaire donors.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 11, 2021 15:09:01 GMT
Or practice some Socialism! Not if he actually wants a chance of being elected. The King is dead, long live the King......
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 11, 2021 15:09:54 GMT
Not if he actually wants a chance of being elected. I'm not sure that's correct. There's no doubt that England is drifting further to the right in many regards but things like re-nationalisation of certain industries, particularly Rail, have rarely garnered so much support. It just needs someone with some bollocks to drive it forward not the current guy whose sole idea of improving things is courting Murdoch and Millionaire donors. I’m not the most left wing poster on here by a country mile But I would like to see the railway’s nationalised And I also believe water gas and electric should also be taken into government hands
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 11, 2021 15:15:11 GMT
Not if he actually wants a chance of being elected. I'm not sure that's correct. There's no doubt that England is drifting further to the right in many regards but things like re-nationalisation of certain industries, particularly Rail, have rarely garnered so much support. It just needs someone with some bollocks to drive it forward not the current guy whose sole idea of improving things is courting Murdoch and Millionaire donors. Well, you have to be upfront about it and say it's just been roundly rejected at the ballot box, unless that was Corbyn's impact? To be honest, I think it was a combination of Corbyn as leader, Corbyn's past, the print media's ongoing portrayal of socialism as some kind of wooo scary thing! and getting Brexit done that delivered the result we saw. While I understand your desire to stick to your principles and see a truly socialist government delivering on the kind of policies you want to see, given the state of England politically I think you'll be in for a very long, probably interminable wait and should hold your nose, get behind someone whose policies you may not wholeheartedly endorse but will be infinitely more beneficial to ordinary folk than anything the Tory government will ever come up with, and with an actual chance of putting those policies into practice.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 11, 2021 15:16:27 GMT
I'm not sure that's correct. There's no doubt that England is drifting further to the right in many regards but things like re-nationalisation of certain industries, particularly Rail, have rarely garnered so much support. It just needs someone with some bollocks to drive it forward not the current guy whose sole idea of improving things is courting Murdoch and Millionaire donors. I’m not the most left wing poster on here by a country mile But I would like to see the railway’s nationalised And I also believe water gas and electric should also be taken into government hands Wow! I've just had to sit down! Completely agree PS - you've also won the prize for understatement of the year!
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Post by felonious on Jan 11, 2021 15:32:53 GMT
I'm not sure that's correct. There's no doubt that England is drifting further to the right in many regards but things like re-nationalisation of certain industries, particularly Rail, have rarely garnered so much support. It just needs someone with some bollocks to drive it forward not the current guy whose sole idea of improving things is courting Murdoch and Millionaire donors. I’m not the most left wing poster on here by a country mile But I would like to see the railway’s nationalised And I also believe water gas and electric should also be taken into government hands Lovely idea but nationalisation means national strikes.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 11, 2021 15:35:06 GMT
I’m not the most left wing poster on here by a country mile But I would like to see the railway’s nationalised And I also believe water gas and electric should also be taken into government hands Wow! I've just had to sit down! Completely agree PS - you've also won the prize for understatement of the year! 🙂 Not every day I win a prize On the gas electric and water If future governments are serious about lowering carbon footprint then the government policy has to be hand and glove with delivery and this can only be done if they are the deliver
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 11, 2021 15:41:37 GMT
I'm not sure that's correct. There's no doubt that England is drifting further to the right in many regards but things like re-nationalisation of certain industries, particularly Rail, have rarely garnered so much support. It just needs someone with some bollocks to drive it forward not the current guy whose sole idea of improving things is courting Murdoch and Millionaire donors. Well, you have to be upfront about it and say it's just been roundly rejected at the ballot box, unless that was Corbyn's impact? To be honest, I think it was a combination of Corbyn as leader, Corbyn's past, the print media's ongoing portrayal of socialism as some kind of wooo scary thing! and getting Brexit done that delivered the result we saw. While I understand your desire to stick to your principles and see a truly socialist government delivering on the kind of policies you want to see, given the state of England politically I think you'll be in for a very long, probably interminable wait and should hold your nose, get behind someone whose policies you may not wholeheartedly endorse but will be infinitely more beneficial to ordinary folk than anything the Tory government will ever come up with, and with an actual chance of putting those policies into practice. What makes you suggest at the moment that Starmer would be more beneficial to "ordinary folk" based on zero polices and everything that he's come out with so far? If you want to believe it's all part of a master plan to keep his head down until the next election that's fine but don't make out it's actually based on anything tangible......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 11, 2021 15:46:36 GMT
I'm not sure that's correct. There's no doubt that England is drifting further to the right in many regards but things like re-nationalisation of certain industries, particularly Rail, have rarely garnered so much support. It just needs someone with some bollocks to drive it forward not the current guy whose sole idea of improving things is courting Murdoch and Millionaire donors. Well, you have to be upfront about it and say it's just been roundly rejected at the ballot box, unless that was Corbyn's impact? To be honest, I think it was a combination of Corbyn as leader, Corbyn's past, the print media's ongoing portrayal of socialism as some kind of wooo scary thing! and getting Brexit done that delivered the result we saw. While I understand your desire to stick to your principles and see a truly socialist government delivering on the kind of policies you want to see, given the state of England politically I think you'll be in for a very long, probably interminable wait and should hold your nose, get behind someone whose policies you may not wholeheartedly endorse but will be infinitely more beneficial to ordinary folk than anything the Tory government will ever come up with, and with an actual chance of putting those policies into practice. The same manifesto came within a whisker of power in 2017. 2019 was a Brexit election, first, second and last.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 11, 2021 16:36:29 GMT
Well, you have to be upfront about it and say it's just been roundly rejected at the ballot box, unless that was Corbyn's impact? To be honest, I think it was a combination of Corbyn as leader, Corbyn's past, the print media's ongoing portrayal of socialism as some kind of wooo scary thing! and getting Brexit done that delivered the result we saw. While I understand your desire to stick to your principles and see a truly socialist government delivering on the kind of policies you want to see, given the state of England politically I think you'll be in for a very long, probably interminable wait and should hold your nose, get behind someone whose policies you may not wholeheartedly endorse but will be infinitely more beneficial to ordinary folk than anything the Tory government will ever come up with, and with an actual chance of putting those policies into practice. The same manifesto came within a whisker of power in 2017. 2019 was a Brexit election, first, second and last. I guess we'll never know if a Corbyn led Labour party would have got elected without the spectre of Brexit looming large.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 11, 2021 16:42:49 GMT
The same manifesto came within a whisker of power in 2017. 2019 was a Brexit election, first, second and last. I guess we'll never know if a Corbyn led Labour party would have got elected without the spectre of Brexit looming large. Or starmer and his cronies sticking the knife in
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 11, 2021 16:45:32 GMT
I guess we'll never know if a Corbyn led Labour party would have got elected without the spectre of Brexit looming large. Or starmer and his cronies sticking the knife in Or the taint of anti-Semitism and the right-wing press demonising him at every turn... Or a net approval rating of -50%.
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