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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 4, 2020 23:48:22 GMT
Stoke followed the Derby County Pattern of big spending. Derby got two titles, but we both declined. The ironic thing is, Liverpool and Man Utd spent peanuts on key players and prospered (Phil Neal, Jimmy Case, Kevin Keegan, Steve Coppell, Gordon Hill to name a few). Wasn't Gordon Hill signed from the NASL or am I thinking of Steve Hunt? I know Hunt played there before the 1st division. Edit- Just Googled he was on loan at Chicago Sting from Millwall. Could have swore was Detroit Express but may be Trevor Francis. I had an Express jersey as a kid. Signed from Millwall for £70,000.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 23:52:58 GMT
Wasn't Gordon Hill signed from the NASL or am I thinking of Steve Hunt? I know Hunt played there before the 1st division. Edit- Just Googled he was on loan at Chicago Sting from Millwall. Could have swore was Detroit Express but may be Trevor Francis. I had an Express jersey as a kid. Signed from Millwall for £70,000. Yep Millwall loaned him to Sting (the team not the rain forest dude) I just Googled and after Man U he went there permanently. Not quite Coventry's chocolate brown but interesting kit
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 5, 2020 1:36:42 GMT
Spurs fans were evil back then.Surging down on that videoafter Stoke score. The agro back in the late 70s after the game by the police station i will never forget.Stoke could handle themselves at home generally.This day it was like men against boys. I think before this game us spotty 15/16 year olds walked up towards the police station and met what must have been 4000 of them slowly walking down the road singing, well almost whispering 'we are Tottenham, super Tottenham!' which was more menacing! We didn't run but did walk back pretty quickly! They were huge!
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 5, 2020 1:46:35 GMT
Indeed mate. And the 4th round game v Man City which we won 1-0 was played midweek. Unless my memory is playing tricks Greenhoff scored at the far post up the Stoke End and the highlights were on Sportsnight that night yet to the best of my knowledge no footage of this game exists ? He did indeed mate....diving header We succumbed to 2nd division Sunderland in the next round after a replay There was a massive following of Sunderland fans, it was only three years since they won it and they had a taste for it. We should've won the first game but it was a scrappy 0-0 and they will have been delighted to take us back to Roker Park. Years later Alan Hudson said we hadn't performed on the day because there was a huge row in the hotel the night before because the players were allowed a glass of wine with dinner.
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Post by werrington on Apr 5, 2020 5:33:50 GMT
I'm sure it was itv not sportsnight. Here are highlights of the replay. The Stoke v Spurs game starts at 5:12. I was at that replay .....in fact I was at both of those games As said above the abiding memory was the trouble inside the ground
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 5, 2020 11:15:36 GMT
As a kid I always remember the FA Cup as being a trophy that other teams seemed to have a run in but never us. I did read once that over a period of time we were 91st out of 92 teams in terms of FA Cup results, ahead of only Rochdale. And now it’s devolved to run out for most PL club reserves. .........and the fuckers still win it.
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Post by richardparker on Apr 5, 2020 19:16:46 GMT
Went this game as a 14yearold on my own. went on a footy special out side the ground there were two ques I went for the smallest (bad mistake) the big que was for the seating area where most of the stoke fans were. I ended up in the away end only about twenty of us in a group surrounded by spuds. Police walked us around the track and escorted us out the main entrance. Then left us to go straight into there mob without protection. got me nose broke and then me mum hit me when I got back home for fighting. The reply I remember because I saw the bully that picked on me in the boothen with about 40 others couldn't get near him as they were getting battered left right and centre. Similar happened to me (and 3 mates)! We were aged 14/15. Soon as we got in to the ground we got chased by a load of Spurs. We legged it to near the front and stood there for the duration of the game. We awaited The Special, but whoever was on that seemed to meet a similar fate to us! It didn't help that one of us had a denim jacket on with 1 Shilton 2 Marsh 3 Pejic ,,, etc. on the back. He couldn't leave it off for more than a couple of minutes as it was that cold! One of my least favourite away days it has to be said!
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Post by Northy on Apr 6, 2020 10:04:23 GMT
The roof blew off our stand the night before that game and the replay was put back to 4th round day ( we won 2-1 ) as it was unsafe for the midweek Indeed mate. And the 4th round game v Man City which we won 1-0 was played midweek. Unless my memory is playing tricks Greenhoff scored at the far post up the Stoke End and the highlights were on Sportsnight that night yet to the best of my knowledge no footage of this game exists ? yep, I was behind the Stoke end goal that night
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Post by Northy on Apr 6, 2020 10:10:53 GMT
wasn't coda shot in a pub at an away game in Ipswich ? We were playing Ipswich, but the pub was in Colchester wasn't it ?
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Post by thfc67 on Apr 6, 2020 12:48:17 GMT
Spurs and Stoke were in decline at the time, after a good run and some success in the early !970's, Both teams got relegated the following season. Stoke followed the Derby County Pattern of big spending. Derby got two titles, but we both declined. The ironic thing is, Liverpool and Man Utd spent peanuts on key players and prospered (Phil Neal, Jimmy Case, Kevin Keegan, Steve Coppell, Gordon Hill to name a few). I was reading about Peter Shilton's career on Wikipedia after watching the game and came across this: ...in January 1976 a severe storm caused considerable damage to the Victoria Ground and to pay for the repair work Stoke had to sell off their playing staff... He remained with Stoke in 1976–77 and a young and inexperienced side suffered relegation to the Second Division. He was sold to Nottingham Forest in September 1977. It seems that storm damage had a huge effect on Stokes future. What would have happened if they didn't have to sell their best players? Surely they would have never been relegated the following season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 12:56:51 GMT
Stoke followed the Derby County Pattern of big spending. Derby got two titles, but we both declined. The ironic thing is, Liverpool and Man Utd spent peanuts on key players and prospered (Phil Neal, Jimmy Case, Kevin Keegan, Steve Coppell, Gordon Hill to name a few). I was reading about Peter Shilton's career on Wikipedia after watching the game and came across this: ...in January 1976 a severe storm caused considerable damage to the Victoria Ground and to pay for the repair work Stoke had to sell off their playing staff... He remained with Stoke in 1976–77 and a young and inexperienced side suffered relegation to the Second Division. He was sold to Nottingham Forest in September 1977. It seems that storm damage had a huge effect on Stokes future. What would have happened if they didn't have to sell their best players? Surely they would have never been relegated the following season. We had some good youngsters came through not long after, Lee Chapman, Paul Bracewell and Adrian Heath in particular but all were sold. Alan Durban built a really good side who got promoted and finished mid table, that was out last top half finish until Mark Hughes so we had quite a a wait. Shilton was patchy for Stoke at times but fantastic for Forest
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 6, 2020 13:07:43 GMT
Stoke followed the Derby County Pattern of big spending. Derby got two titles, but we both declined. The ironic thing is, Liverpool and Man Utd spent peanuts on key players and prospered (Phil Neal, Jimmy Case, Kevin Keegan, Steve Coppell, Gordon Hill to name a few). I was reading about Peter Shilton's career on Wikipedia after watching the game and came across this: ...in January 1976 a severe storm caused considerable damage to the Victoria Ground and to pay for the repair work Stoke had to sell off their playing staff... He remained with Stoke in 1976–77 and a young and inexperienced side suffered relegation to the Second Division. He was sold to Nottingham Forest in September 1977. It seems that storm damage had a huge effect on Stokes future. What would have happened if they didn't have to sell their best players? Surely they would have never been relegated the following season. Apparently we were heading for financial strife before the roof blew off. Banks were starting to demand loan repayments and that would have had to be raised somehow. The thing is we were down for two seasons and recovered quite quickly.
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Post by werrington on Apr 6, 2020 13:16:28 GMT
Stoke followed the Derby County Pattern of big spending. Derby got two titles, but we both declined. The ironic thing is, Liverpool and Man Utd spent peanuts on key players and prospered (Phil Neal, Jimmy Case, Kevin Keegan, Steve Coppell, Gordon Hill to name a few). I was reading about Peter Shilton's career on Wikipedia after watching the game and came across this: ...in January 1976 a severe storm caused considerable damage to the Victoria Ground and to pay for the repair work Stoke had to sell off their playing staff... He remained with Stoke in 1976–77 and a young and inexperienced side suffered relegation to the Second Division. He was sold to Nottingham Forest in September 1977. It seems that storm damage had a huge effect on Stokes future. What would have happened if they didn't have to sell their best players? Surely they would have never been relegated the following season. It wasn’t insured apparently and it started our decline due to player sales, Bizarrely Jimmy Greenhoff did not want to leave and join Manchester United but he had too ...imagine that scenario now We had some fantastic players in that era
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 6, 2020 14:05:35 GMT
I was reading about Peter Shilton's career on Wikipedia after watching the game and came across this: ...in January 1976 a severe storm caused considerable damage to the Victoria Ground and to pay for the repair work Stoke had to sell off their playing staff... He remained with Stoke in 1976–77 and a young and inexperienced side suffered relegation to the Second Division. He was sold to Nottingham Forest in September 1977. It seems that storm damage had a huge effect on Stokes future. What would have happened if they didn't have to sell their best players? Surely they would have never been relegated the following season. Apparently we were heading for financial strife before the roof blew off. Banks were starting to demand loan repayments and that would have had to be raised somehow. The thing is we were down for two seasons and recovered quite quickly. Entirely correct, Barclays Bank were calling the loans in. As recently pointed out on this board the failure to have an FA cup run that season was a contributing factor, as well as missing out on playing in the UEFA cup. The storm damage was the straw that broke the camels back. The notion that the roof collapse was the catalyst for long term decline is wide of the mark.
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Post by lordb on Apr 6, 2020 16:29:53 GMT
I was reading about Peter Shilton's career on Wikipedia after watching the game and came across this: ...in January 1976 a severe storm caused considerable damage to the Victoria Ground and to pay for the repair work Stoke had to sell off their playing staff... He remained with Stoke in 1976–77 and a young and inexperienced side suffered relegation to the Second Division. He was sold to Nottingham Forest in September 1977. It seems that storm damage had a huge effect on Stokes future. What would have happened if they didn't have to sell their best players? Surely they would have never been relegated the following season. We had some good youngsters came through not long after, Lee Chapman, Paul Bracewell and Adrian Heath in particular but all were sold. Alan Durban built a really good side who got promoted and finished mid table, that was out last top half finish until Mark Hughes so we had quite a a wait. Shilton was patchy for Stoke at times but fantastic for Forest Finances were iffy anyway, some of the players would still have been sold. However the roof fiasco meant it was a deluge of sales and not a managed decline to lower mid table whilst the promising youngsters came through.
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Post by lordb on Apr 6, 2020 16:32:38 GMT
I was reading about Peter Shilton's career on Wikipedia after watching the game and came across this: ...in January 1976 a severe storm caused considerable damage to the Victoria Ground and to pay for the repair work Stoke had to sell off their playing staff... He remained with Stoke in 1976–77 and a young and inexperienced side suffered relegation to the Second Division. He was sold to Nottingham Forest in September 1977. It seems that storm damage had a huge effect on Stokes future. What would have happened if they didn't have to sell their best players? Surely they would have never been relegated the following season. Apparently we were heading for financial strife before the roof blew off. Banks were starting to demand loan repayments and that would have had to be raised somehow. The thing is we were down for two seasons and recovered quite quickly. Thanks to Durban's excellent management yes. He eventually got frustrated by the lack of ambition and moved on to...er... Sunderland. Barker then added flair and excitement with a great midfield before failure to replace Dave Watson and the utter madness that was POMO Summer 1983 was the big disaster, more so than the Butler St roof.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 16:49:42 GMT
Apparently we were heading for financial strife before the roof blew off. Banks were starting to demand loan repayments and that would have had to be raised somehow. The thing is we were down for two seasons and recovered quite quickly. Thanks to Durban's excellent management yes. He eventually got frustrated by the lack of ambition and moved on to...er... Sunderland. Barker then added flair and excitement with a great midfield before failure to replace Dave Watson and the utter madness that was POMO Summer 1983 was the big disaster, more so than the Butler St roof. Durban made so many clever signings and turned us into a really well organised side overnight. First team I really remember. We came 3rd despite only losing 6 games all season in our promotion year.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 6, 2020 20:08:46 GMT
Apparently we were heading for financial strife before the roof blew off. Banks were starting to demand loan repayments and that would have had to be raised somehow. The thing is we were down for two seasons and recovered quite quickly. Thanks to Durban's excellent management yes. He eventually got frustrated by the lack of ambition and moved on to...er... Sunderland. Barker then added flair and excitement with a great midfield before failure to replace Dave Watson and the utter madness that was POMO Summer 1983 was the big disaster, more so than the Butler St roof. The pomo was the trigger point for the long term decline.
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Post by kentpotter on Apr 8, 2020 10:49:37 GMT
I was there. It's funny that Brian Moore mentions the strong wind, as Mick points out, the roof blew off the Butler Street stand and the replay was postponed. My main memory of that day at WHL was the row we had with Spurs after the game, outside Silver Street station, it was like Custer's Last Stand and they were the injuns. I was at that game and the postponed replay after the Butler Street incident was my first ever game at the Vic. WHL was always dicey, remember one game in 70s when Spuds jumped from the seats behind the Park Lane terrace, mingled in, and at a given signal chased Stokies onto the concourse. I watched it from the Shelf!!!
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