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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 17:10:04 GMT
I don't think it's naive at all. You'd just be putting them back by a month or two to preserve the integrity of it all. Why anyone wouldn't agree to that I do not know. What's way more damaging is actually carrying on and acting like that contract means something if the season goes past July 1st. That's why they have to make rules to put that sort of thing off or to just bin this season of all together. What happens if a players contract runs out in June will he have the right to demand to paid until the season is called over? Again that’s one for the authority’s. But you either extend the contacts to the seasons end or bin the the season off. I really don’t think you should play the same season with different squads.
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Mar 31, 2020 17:17:05 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Mar 31, 2020 17:17:05 GMT
What happens if a players contract runs out in June will he have the right to demand to paid until the season is called over? Again that’s one for the authority’s. But you either extend the contacts to the seasons end or bin the the season off. I really don’t think you should play the same season with different squads. I agree but its a can of worms that's for sure.
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Mar 31, 2020 17:23:05 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 17:23:05 GMT
Again that’s one for the authority’s. But you either extend the contacts to the seasons end or bin the the season off. I really don’t think you should play the same season with different squads. I agree but its a can of worms that's for sure. It is and it’s where they have to get tough imo. Bin the season or all agree to do these little things and finish the season. I really don’t get why it hasn’t cancelled already tbh. Well I do, money but it makes no sense to me.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 31, 2020 18:26:53 GMT
I agree but its a can of worms that's for sure. It is and it’s where they have to get tough imo. Bin the season or all agree to do these little things and finish the season. I really don’t get why it hasn’t cancelled already tbh. Well I do, money but it makes no sense to me. Getting everybody to agree to bin the season off is nigh on impossible isn’t it? The clubs in the top 7 or 8 positions will say absolutely not. Those in the bottom 6 will say yes please. The rest I imagine won’t be arsed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 20:41:27 GMT
According to callum Davidson, coach under rowett, afobe was one of the good guys, one of few desperate to do well and pull in the direction needed. He just never pulled in any direction under Jones.
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Mar 31, 2020 20:44:11 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 20:44:11 GMT
I don't think it's naive at all. You'd just be putting them back by a month or two to preserve the integrity of it all. Why anyone wouldn't agree to that I do not know. What's way more damaging is actually carrying on and acting like that contract means something if the season goes past July 1st. That's why they have to make rules to put that sort of thing off or to just bin this season of all together. What happens if a players contract runs out in June will he have the right to demand to paid until the season is called over? It might be a problem at 91 league clubs in England, but if past record is anything to go by, Peter Coates will see to it that Afobe gets paid, even if Bristol should decide not to keep him.
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Mar 31, 2020 20:44:54 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 31, 2020 20:44:54 GMT
According to callum Davidson, coach under rowett, afobe was one of the good guys, one of few desperate to do well and pull in the direction needed. He just never pulled in any direction under Jones. He only played 1 game for him didn't he? This season at least.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:23:15 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 21:23:15 GMT
It is and it’s where they have to get tough imo. Bin the season or all agree to do these little things and finish the season. I really don’t get why it hasn’t cancelled already tbh. Well I do, money but it makes no sense to me. Getting everybody to agree to bin the season off is nigh on impossible isn’t it? The clubs in the top 7 or 8 positions will say absolutely not. Those in the bottom 6 will say yes please. The rest I imagine won’t be arsed. I would have thought so yeah. But it’s about the only sensible decision.
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Apr 1, 2020 18:25:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 18:25:33 GMT
He just never pulled in any direction under Jones. He only played 1 game for him didn't he? This season at least. Last season.
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Apr 7, 2020 21:57:46 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 7, 2020 21:57:46 GMT
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May 26, 2020 23:06:11 GMT
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Post by ab61 on May 26, 2020 23:06:11 GMT
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May 27, 2020 0:32:18 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 27, 2020 0:32:18 GMT
It's best for all concerned that he goes. He's had a rough time there's no doubt but I don't want to see him or his half arsed attitude in a Stoke shirt any time soon.
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May 27, 2020 1:21:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 1:21:48 GMT
i would give him another go here in Micheal ONeil i think we have a manager who can get the best out of him. i think him and Tyrese could get loads of goals between them given the right service. I'd agree if we played two up front but as it stands I don't see how it would work, Campbell out wide just doesn't have the same impact as when he plays more central, all things considered, FFP etc, I think I'd be happy if we were to cash in on him. Long season and no harm in having two strikers. IF FFP is still in play then we simply won't be able to sell Afobe as under the rules would give us a 6 million pound deficit
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May 27, 2020 7:11:26 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 27, 2020 7:11:26 GMT
I'd agree if we played two up front but as it stands I don't see how it would work, Campbell out wide just doesn't have the same impact as when he plays more central, all things considered, FFP etc, I think I'd be happy if we were to cash in on him. Long season and no harm in having two strikers. IF FFP is still in play then we simply won't be able to sell Afobe as under the rules would give us a 6 million pound deficit Not sure that's right You don't have to get the full £12m back
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Post by Squeekster on May 27, 2020 8:08:25 GMT
Long season and no harm in having two strikers. IF FFP is still in play then we simply won't be able to sell Afobe as under the rules would give us a 6 million pound deficit Not sure that's right You don't have to get the full £12m back No just like a car players value depreciates year upon year of a contract.
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Afobe
May 27, 2020 8:57:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 8:57:46 GMT
Long season and no harm in having two strikers. IF FFP is still in play then we simply won't be able to sell Afobe as under the rules would give us a 6 million pound deficit Not sure that's right You don't have to get the full £12m back His second season isn't it? As John Coates explained we cant sell these players for that very reason. Yep there is a depreciation, and we will take a hit on him.Am kind of 50/50 on him to be honest. We can't be relying on Campbell only.
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May 27, 2020 9:24:37 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 27, 2020 9:24:37 GMT
Not sure that's right You don't have to get the full £12m back His second season isn't it? As John Coates explained we cant sell these players for that very reason. Yep there is a depreciation, and we will take a hit on him.Am kind of 50/50 on him to be honest. We can't be relying on Campbell only. Fairly clear the manager is keen in at least one striker from Scotland (think we have been linked with four now). Vokes scores as many as Afobe and if we replace Ince with someone who will actually cross cross the ball (Verlinden please) then Vokes will score more still. Interested to see if we keep and use Ngoy too. Gregory might move on?
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May 27, 2020 10:35:02 GMT
Post by nott1 on May 27, 2020 10:35:02 GMT
Get rid he's no good!
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May 27, 2020 10:39:40 GMT
Post by macarisredarmy on May 27, 2020 10:39:40 GMT
I didn't like him giving it large to the press about how much at home he was a Bristol after five minutes. I realise he had a rough reception but he did bugger all considering his price tag, comes with the territory if you are not producing goals we desperately needed.
Based on what's happened to him personally/tragically since, a move down south might be better family wise for him anyway.
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May 27, 2020 10:52:02 GMT
Post by AlliG on May 27, 2020 10:52:02 GMT
I'd agree if we played two up front but as it stands I don't see how it would work, Campbell out wide just doesn't have the same impact as when he plays more central, all things considered, FFP etc, I think I'd be happy if we were to cash in on him. Long season and no harm in having two strikers. IF FFP is still in play then we simply won't be able to sell Afobe as under the rules would give us a 6 million pound deficit As the original loan had an option to buy this summer at an agreed fee, the FFP implications will have already been taken into consideration, provided Bristol City pay the agreed amount.
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May 27, 2020 11:09:06 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2020 11:09:06 GMT
What happens with Afobe will come down to money won't it?
We have one striker we will definitely want to keep in Campbell.
We then have Vokes, Afobe and Gregory who I would imagine are all up for sale/swap/loan depending on what a club can do finance wise.
It's going to be a difficult selling market at our level. I think Vokes will stay. I think we might do a swap for Gregory.
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May 27, 2020 11:27:15 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on May 27, 2020 11:27:15 GMT
I’d 100% bring him back. Much better striker all of our options bar Campbell and not worth wasting the time trying to bring in another equivalent striker (as we’ve found good ones are as rare as hens’ teeth). Better to focus on bringing in some decent wingers/wide players instead.
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May 27, 2020 12:04:42 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2020 12:04:42 GMT
I’d 100% bring him back. Much better striker all of our options bar Campbell and not worth wasting the time trying to bring in another equivalent striker (as we’ve found good ones are as rare as hens’ teeth). Better to focus on bringing in some decent wingers/wide players instead. Ideally I agree but surely two from Afobe/Vokes/Gregory have to go? And I just can't see us shifting Vokes at all.
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May 27, 2020 14:41:06 GMT
Post by spitthedog on May 27, 2020 14:41:06 GMT
Literally none of them were any good before O'Neill rode into town.
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May 27, 2020 15:15:39 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2020 15:15:39 GMT
Literally none of them were any good before O'Neill rode into town. I disagree. The players generally are good enough but they've been managed appallingly.
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May 27, 2020 15:34:38 GMT
Post by xchpotter on May 27, 2020 15:34:38 GMT
I’m undecided on him. Has ability, but like many strikers is a confidence player. He went missing far too much for my liking (as did many of the others at the lowest point under Jones). Could O’Neil get a tune out of him....if anyone could he could, but it depends on Afobe’s wishes and as mentioned...money.
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May 27, 2020 16:11:21 GMT
Post by nott1 on May 27, 2020 16:11:21 GMT
I’d 100% bring him back. Much better striker all of our options bar Campbell and not worth wasting the time trying to bring in another equivalent striker (as we’ve found good ones are as rare as hens’ teeth). Better to focus on bringing in some decent wingers/wide players instead. Ideally I agree but surely two from Afobe/Vokes/Gregory have to go? And I just can't see us shifting Vokes at all. We surely can get better than all three!
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May 27, 2020 16:14:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 16:14:36 GMT
Would certainly move Gregory on. Vokes gives us an option if he gets decent service as we saw v Sheff Weds. A good plan B when you have to go a bit more direct. We need another striker and not convinced Afobe is the man but I guess it depends on if we can unload him and how much of a dent it makes in us.
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May 27, 2020 20:33:28 GMT
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Post by shrewspotter on May 27, 2020 20:33:28 GMT
Afobe is a typical case of “ Absence makes the heart grow fonder” and in our case with Vokes under delivering and Gregory out of his depth even at this level, we quickly forget that Afobe was woeful for us on the whole and even if he came back he’d be behind Campbell now in the pecking order that plays a 4-3-3
That said most players were dross under Jones too and yet somehow with a bit of organization and playing players in their correct positions O’Neil has turned things around so who knows maybe Afobe could come good yet
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May 28, 2020 8:31:49 GMT
Post by raythesailor on May 28, 2020 8:31:49 GMT
Well I would have thought he was on a season loan. Obviously this was pre Covid19, but common decency should mean that we should honour that.
If not he would not be allowed to play for us in the final few games, so why not let Bristol carry on paying his wages?
If he is on form and banging in goals against teams around us at the wrong end of the table it’s a win/win for us.
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