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Post by Squeekster on Sept 17, 2020 16:03:18 GMT
We know he is not a 12 million pound player NOW but we didn't THEN, so for me if we sign a player on the assumption he is worth 12 mill then 20 grand seems a bit low, I actually think he will be on closer to 30 but hey what do I know! A good number of Stoke fans knew he was not worth £12m, pity our CEO didn't he also thought Wimmer was an £18m player I wonder how much he agreed to pay that useless waster ? Nothing to do with the CEO it was about the club backing their managers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 16:15:17 GMT
We know he is not a 12 million pound player NOW but we didn't THEN, so for me if we sign a player on the assumption he is worth 12 mill then 20 grand seems a bit low, I actually think he will be on closer to 30 but hey what do I know! Yeah, the initial Turkish reports suggested they were making a contribution, not the full whack. I'd guess it was more than 25k. The Bristol Post has more than once claimed it was "in excess of £35,000"! www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/former-bristol-city-loanee-stoke-4516636And even though City had an option to make Afobe's move into a permanent one, a combination of Stoke's valuation and his wage requirements - in excess of £35,000 a week - meant a deal was always unlikely. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/considerable-doubt-benik-afobe-return-4279626Further, while no final definitive decision has been made on Afobe's future just yet as he confirmed himself recently, another problem is the striker's wages, which are believed to be around £35,000 a week and and way above what City would be willing to pay.£27.5k a week I was told, along with 5 or 6 others. This made them the highest earners bar Allen, Bauer and Shawcross who’s wages didn’t reduce after relegation.....
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Sept 17, 2020 17:14:18 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 17, 2020 17:14:18 GMT
Good luck to him. He was poor but no worse than some still at the club and in the team.
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Sept 18, 2020 0:43:12 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 18, 2020 0:43:12 GMT
He had that golden chance v Forest and took an unnecessary touch and blew it completely. And that never left me really.
But good luck to him. Hopefully it'll work out for him.
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Sept 18, 2020 0:59:44 GMT
Post by kustokie on Sept 18, 2020 0:59:44 GMT
A good number of Stoke fans knew he was not worth £12m, pity our CEO didn't he also thought Wimmer was an £18m player I wonder how much he agreed to pay that useless waster ? Nothing to do with the CEO it was about the club backing their managers. The buck stops with the CEO. If the CEO backs the manager and it turns out to be bad decision they both should be shown the door. Otherwise, there’s no guarantee they won’t make the same mistake again. Somebody screwed up the due diligence and it’s the job of the CEO to see through it. Making an acquisition is like buying a used car for your kid. Your kid is going to tell you it’s James Bond’s Aston Martin in mint condition. It’s the CEO’s job to make sure it is not an old banger that won’t even pass its MOT.
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Sept 18, 2020 7:02:02 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Sept 18, 2020 7:02:02 GMT
Nothing to do with the CEO it was about the club backing their managers. The buck stops with the CEO. If the CEO backs the manager and it turns out to be bad decision they both should be shown the door. Otherwise, there’s no guarantee they won’t make the same mistake again. Somebody screwed up the due diligence and it’s the job of the CEO to see through it. Making an acquisition is like buying a used car for your kid. Your kid is going to tell you it’s James Bond’s Aston Martin in mint condition. It’s the CEO’s job to make sure it is not an old banger that won’t even pass its MOT. When the manager who's job it is to bring in players to improve team digs his feet in and demands players eg Wimmer/Berahino then the club work on that. Yes we paid too much but in hindsight but both players passed medicals so they passed the MOT.
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Sept 18, 2020 7:23:39 GMT
Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 18, 2020 7:23:39 GMT
Nothing to do with the CEO it was about the club backing their managers. The buck stops with the CEO. If the CEO backs the manager and it turns out to be bad decision they both should be shown the door. Otherwise, there’s no guarantee they won’t make the same mistake again. Somebody screwed up the due diligence and it’s the job of the CEO to see through it. Making an acquisition is like buying a used car for your kid. Your kid is going to tell you it’s James Bond’s Aston Martin in mint condition. It’s the CEO’s job to make sure it is not an old banger that won’t even pass its MOT. It is 100% clear at Stoke that the owners do not believe the buck stops with the CEO because they sack managers. Given they run a successful business and a football club, we must assume they not what has gone on and who is responsible. I don’t understand why so many people point the finger at Scholes when the owners don’t, it is their money at stake after all.
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Sept 18, 2020 14:26:21 GMT
Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 18, 2020 14:26:21 GMT
The buck stops with the CEO. If the CEO backs the manager and it turns out to be bad decision they both should be shown the door. Otherwise, there’s no guarantee they won’t make the same mistake again. Somebody screwed up the due diligence and it’s the job of the CEO to see through it. Making an acquisition is like buying a used car for your kid. Your kid is going to tell you it’s James Bond’s Aston Martin in mint condition. It’s the CEO’s job to make sure it is not an old banger that won’t even pass its MOT. It is 100% clear at Stoke that the owners do not believe the buck stops with the CEO because they sack managers. Given they run a successful business and a football club, we must assume they not what has gone on and who is responsible. I don’t understand why so many people point the finger at Scholes when the owners don’t, it is their money at stake after all. Because Scholes is mates with all the Coates and its unprofessional. This is my biggest gripe with Stoke, they don't run the place like a ruthless business like they should and its why we've ended up where we have and fallen behind the likes of Wolves. Yes its wonderful how loyal Stoke are and its wonderful how much money they invest but all said and done we don't run the place like a proper football club should be in the modern age. And as long as that carries on we will always under achieve.
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Sept 18, 2020 14:51:02 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 18, 2020 14:51:02 GMT
It is 100% clear at Stoke that the owners do not believe the buck stops with the CEO because they sack managers. Given they run a successful business and a football club, we must assume they not what has gone on and who is responsible. I don’t understand why so many people point the finger at Scholes when the owners don’t, it is their money at stake after all. Because Scholes is mates with all the Coates and its unprofessional. This is my biggest gripe with Stoke, they don't run the place like a ruthless business like they should and its why we've ended up where we have and fallen behind the likes of Wolves. Yes its wonderful how loyal Stoke are and its wonderful how much money they invest but all said and done we don't run the place like a proper football club should be in the modern age. And as long as that carries on we will always under achieve. We had 10 seasons in the Premier League which very few clubs of our size of fan base have done this century. We have massively overachieved with a recent slump. What do you think are realistic expectations? To help you, in the last 60 years, our average league position is around 6th in the Championship. The owners presumably run it to be the best business they can. Not clear ruthless is the right way, it sounds good but teams and managers need time. Not sure how many businesses you have run but I doubt any of the scale and success of the Coates family. I don’t understand why so many people on the outside think they know better than those with the facts Who are investing their money.
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Sept 18, 2020 15:12:43 GMT
Post by wazbagsbro on Sept 18, 2020 15:12:43 GMT
I haven't read all 13 pages but I'm amazed no one has mentioned Wolves had just paid 10 Million for him and we had to sweeten the pot. I'm gutted he hasn't worked out but stop blaming the club and CEO for backing the manager.We are so lucky to have a club that does this ,Stoke city of old never did, our owners are desperate for us to be successful enough to be sponsored by 365. That means premiership.it will come if the Coates family don't get too sick of the bullshit. It's their money being wasted in the main.rant over
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Sept 18, 2020 16:08:16 GMT
Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 18, 2020 16:08:16 GMT
Because Scholes is mates with all the Coates and its unprofessional. This is my biggest gripe with Stoke, they don't run the place like a ruthless business like they should and its why we've ended up where we have and fallen behind the likes of Wolves. Yes its wonderful how loyal Stoke are and its wonderful how much money they invest but all said and done we don't run the place like a proper football club should be in the modern age. And as long as that carries on we will always under achieve. We had 10 seasons in the Premier League which very few clubs of our size of fan base have done this century. We have massively overachieved with a recent slump. What do you think are realistic expectations? To help you, in the last 60 years, our average league position is around 6th in the Championship. The owners presumably run it to be the best business they can. Not clear ruthless is the right way, it sounds good but teams and managers need time. Not sure how many businesses you have run but I doubt any of the scale and success of the Coates family. I don’t understand why so many people on the outside think they know better than those with the facts Who are investing their money. And that's fair enough. That position can be successfully argued. I am just saying that I believe we could have done better if we had been run more professionally. Scholes surviving the last 4 years after abject failure upon failure tells me the club isn't run properly. He is the CEO and as has been said above the responsibility ultimately lands with him. At pretty much any other club he would have been out on his ear. And what club with the resources we had at our disposal in 2012 would employ Cartwright to head up recruitment. A bottom of the barrel football agent with an abysmal CV. And yes I did at one time look into his record as an agent and I didn't recognise a single players name. And how did he get the job, oh yeah he went to school with John Coates. Not how a proper club should be run if you ask me, particularly at the height of our powers in 2012. But yeah 10 years in the premiership and lots of good memories, fair enough. Could have been so much better though and this last 4 years of absolute shyte could and should have been avoided.
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Sept 18, 2020 16:15:14 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 18, 2020 16:15:14 GMT
I haven't read all 13 pages but I'm amazed no one has mentioned Wolves had just paid 10 Million for him and we had to sweeten the pot. I'm gutted he hasn't worked out but stop blaming the club and CEO for backing the manager.We are so lucky to have a club that does this ,Stoke city of old never did, our owners are desperate for us to be successful enough to be sponsored by 365. That means premiership.it will come if the Coates family don't get too sick of the bullshit. It's their money being wasted in the main.rant over Always easy with hindsight... Afobe was younger than Gayle, we could sign him on a permanent deal, he arguably looked the more comfortable in the Prem and had a very good recent record in this league. There weren’t many people criticising the signing of him at the time. Not every signing works out and it’s easy to forget how good a deal it looked at the time.
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Post by wazbagsbro on Sept 18, 2020 18:58:03 GMT
A lot of money but Rowet stated , "Afobie almost guarantees promotion !" So we went all out to get that man,
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Sept 18, 2020 20:17:29 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Sept 18, 2020 20:17:29 GMT
I haven't read all 13 pages but I'm amazed no one has mentioned Wolves had just paid 10 Million for him and we had to sweeten the pot. I'm gutted he hasn't worked out but stop blaming the club and CEO for backing the manager.We are so lucky to have a club that does this ,Stoke city of old never did, our owners are desperate for us to be successful enough to be sponsored by 365. That means premiership.it will come if the Coates family don't get too sick of the bullshit. It's their money being wasted in the main.rant over And this is point, I think in Hughes early start at stoke he would sign the odd player he really wanted, other than that he would go to the transfer team and tell them he wanted, lets say a right back, so they'd go out there scour the market and give him 2,3 maybe 4 options to choose from and for all intense and purpose it worked quite well. When we started getting better and higher finishes Hughes dug his feet in and specified targets that he wanted, I think it's pretty clear he wanted Wimmer,Berahino,Ndye and Imbula and the club because of his success duly went with his wishes. Scholes is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but no way is responsible for all the shit folks on here seem to portray.
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Sept 22, 2020 16:09:53 GMT
Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 22, 2020 16:09:53 GMT
I haven't read all 13 pages but I'm amazed no one has mentioned Wolves had just paid 10 Million for him and we had to sweeten the pot. I'm gutted he hasn't worked out but stop blaming the club and CEO for backing the manager.We are so lucky to have a club that does this ,Stoke city of old never did, our owners are desperate for us to be successful enough to be sponsored by 365. That means premiership.it will come if the Coates family don't get too sick of the bullshit. It's their money being wasted in the main.rant over And this is point, I think in Hughes early start at stoke he would sign the odd player he really wanted, other than that he would go to the transfer team and tell them he wanted, lets say a right back, so they'd go out there scour the market and give him 2,3 maybe 4 options to choose from and for all intense and purpose it worked quite well. When we started getting better and higher finishes Hughes dug his feet in and specified targets that he wanted, I think it's pretty clear he wanted Wimmer,Berahino,Ndye and Imbula and the club because of his success duly went with his wishes. Scholes is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but no way is responsible for all the shit folks on here seem to portray. Fair enough. But for me he is the CEO and he's presided over 4 years of financial calamity and that is ultimately at his door. If its not then what is he even there for? Fancy having a role of such importance with no accountability. Which backs up my theory that we are not run how a modern day football club should be run. And we should therefore, not be surprised at the absolute shyte that's been dished up for the last 4 years.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 22, 2020 16:23:39 GMT
And this is point, I think in Hughes early start at stoke he would sign the odd player he really wanted, other than that he would go to the transfer team and tell them he wanted, lets say a right back, so they'd go out there scour the market and give him 2,3 maybe 4 options to choose from and for all intense and purpose it worked quite well. When we started getting better and higher finishes Hughes dug his feet in and specified targets that he wanted, I think it's pretty clear he wanted Wimmer,Berahino,Ndye and Imbula and the club because of his success duly went with his wishes. Scholes is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but no way is responsible for all the shit folks on here seem to portray. Fair enough. But for me he is the CEO and he's presided over 4 years of financial calamity and that is ultimately at his door. If its not then what is he even there for? Fancy having a role of such importance with no accountability. Which backs up my theory that we are not run how a modern day football club should be run. And we should therefore, not be surprised at the absolute shyte that's been dished up for the last 4 years. Nail on head! I am a shareholder and director in my business, but if I did not perform in my day job the other shareholder/directors would soon be on my case to improve or else. There has to be accountability, irrespective of the role, no free pass to preside over disastrous results. The buck stops with the CEO, and there are very few businesses, and probably very few football clubs, where he would still be in a job given how the club has performed on and off the pitch since 2016.
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Sept 22, 2020 17:29:12 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Sept 22, 2020 17:29:12 GMT
Fair enough. But for me he is the CEO and he's presided over 4 years of financial calamity and that is ultimately at his door. If its not then what is he even there for? Fancy having a role of such importance with no accountability. Which backs up my theory that we are not run how a modern day football club should be run. And we should therefore, not be surprised at the absolute shyte that's been dished up for the last 4 years. Nail on head! I am a shareholder and director in my business, but if I did not perform in my day job the other shareholder/directors would soon be on my case to improve or else. There has to be accountability, irrespective of the role, no free pass to preside over disastrous results. The buck stops with the CEO, and there are very few businesses, and probably very few football clubs, where he would still be in a job given how the club has performed on and off the pitch since 2016. So if he is that bad why does he still have a job? And lets not give it he's Coates bessie mate because that's bollocks. The manager wants a player then the board must have a say in the fee not the CEO surely it will be his job to get the deal done once the fee is agreed by both parties yes?
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 22, 2020 18:01:24 GMT
So if he is that bad why does he still have a job?
I have absolutely no idea!!!!
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Sept 22, 2020 19:22:57 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 22, 2020 19:22:57 GMT
Fair enough. But for me he is the CEO and he's presided over 4 years of financial calamity and that is ultimately at his door. If its not then what is he even there for? Fancy having a role of such importance with no accountability. Which backs up my theory that we are not run how a modern day football club should be run. And we should therefore, not be surprised at the absolute shyte that's been dished up for the last 4 years. Nail on head! I am a shareholder and director in my business, but if I did not perform in my day job the other shareholder/directors would soon be on my case to improve or else. There has to be accountability, irrespective of the role, no free pass to preside over disastrous results. The buck stops with the CEO, and there are very few businesses, and probably very few football clubs, where he would still be in a job given how the club has performed on and off the pitch since 2016. But the fact is the shareholders, who must known more than you or anyone else on this board, have consistently decided managers and others are responsible. They are free to choose so all the evidence we have suggests it is not the CEO’s fault. If it was, why would the owners continue to pay him so well?
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 22, 2020 19:50:52 GMT
I'm wondering if it's a bit of this going on
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 22, 2020 19:58:09 GMT
I'm wondering if it's a bit of this going on Morning Peter, Jon and Denise just a quick one We are £50million in the shit because of me , the family, don't worry Tony you know we love a pay rise will make you feel a lot better!
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Sept 24, 2020 16:42:16 GMT
Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 24, 2020 16:42:16 GMT
Nail on head! I am a shareholder and director in my business, but if I did not perform in my day job the other shareholder/directors would soon be on my case to improve or else. There has to be accountability, irrespective of the role, no free pass to preside over disastrous results. The buck stops with the CEO, and there are very few businesses, and probably very few football clubs, where he would still be in a job given how the club has performed on and off the pitch since 2016. So if he is that bad why does he still have a job? And lets not give it he's Coates bessie mate because that's bollocks. The manager wants a player then the board must have a say in the fee not the CEO surely it will be his job to get the deal done once the fee is agreed by both parties yes? He's still in a job because Stoke isn't run like a modern day football club should be, is the simple answer to that question. Am I ungrateful for moaning considering the financial investment the family have made? Probably. Should I be thankful we are owned by genuine Stoke fans? Yes I should. Are we lucky they have billions of pounds? Yes we are. Am I wrong to wish we would get up to speed with the modern game? Absolutely not. All said and done the club belongs to the fans because without them the club simply doesn't exist, it is nothing. This sadly is going to become all too apparent for clubs in leagues 1 and 2 over the next 6 months unless there is serious government intervention.
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Sept 26, 2020 16:29:09 GMT
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Post by fraybentos on Sept 26, 2020 16:29:09 GMT
Couldn’t do it on a cold night in stoke 😂
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Sept 26, 2020 16:35:18 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 26, 2020 16:35:18 GMT
Oh.......
2 for Benik!
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Sept 26, 2020 16:36:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 16:42:34 GMT
The more goals he scores, the more chance we have of getting cold hard cash for him. Long may it continue....
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Sept 26, 2020 16:49:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 16:49:29 GMT
Two straightforward goals, but the second did have an awkward bounce. Glad he’s getting some goals, hope he does well and either comes back to score for us, or moves on to a team that isn’t a rival.
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Sept 28, 2020 21:23:32 GMT
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Post by EccyStokie on Sept 28, 2020 21:23:32 GMT
When’s his contract run out? If not next year and he can find his scoring boots over there this could work out good for us no? Hasn’t done palace any harm with Sorloth. Made a good start for this anyway.
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Sept 28, 2020 21:55:17 GMT
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 28, 2020 21:55:17 GMT
Why has he scored goals virtually everywhere but Stoke?
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