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Afobe
Sept 16, 2020 20:25:52 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Sept 16, 2020 20:25:52 GMT
Can understand how bollocks have been dropped taking gambles when in the Premier. But can’t fathom how this happened when being in pole position with the biggest budget in the championship e.g. Afobe, Woods, Vokes, Ince. Where were the lessons learnt? A couple of managers in a short space of time and weather we like it or not when you appoint a manager you have to back them at least at first so sadly MON is working with that and some players brought from 2 managers in the prem as well.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2020 12:22:41 GMT
An agreement was reached with England's Stoke City Club for the transfer of professional football player Benik Afobe to our club. In addition, a 1-year agreement was made with Benik Afobe.
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 12:25:29 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2020 12:25:29 GMT
Looks like 100,000 euros loan fee and 1.3m euros wages
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 12:31:16 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 17, 2020 12:31:16 GMT
Looks like 100,000 euros loan fee and 1.3m euros wages I'm a bit confused. That official Trabzonspor tweet above makes it sound like a permanent deal?
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 12:33:40 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 17, 2020 12:33:40 GMT
So surely that's his full wage paid?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2020 12:34:09 GMT
Looks like 100,000 euros loan fee and 1.3m euros wages I'm a bit confused. That official Trabzonspor tweet above makes it sound like a permanent deal? Yeah, probably translation problems? Details of the transfer of Benik Afobe: 🤝 Rental fee: 100,000 € ✍️ Contract: 1 year 💰 Salary: 1,300,000 €
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 17, 2020 12:34:51 GMT
Can understand how bollocks have been dropped taking gambles when in the Premier. But can’t fathom how this happened when being in pole position with the biggest budget in the championship e.g. Afobe, Woods, Vokes, Ince. Where were the lessons learnt? This lands squarely on the shoulders of Rowett and Kev Phillips. There were even people on this board, not myself, questioning Afobe's record before we signed him.
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 12:40:09 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2020 12:40:09 GMT
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 12:42:48 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2020 12:42:48 GMT
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 12:45:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 12:45:32 GMT
Are we any closer to finding out if this is the last year of his contract or if he has one more?
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 12:49:36 GMT
Post by spiderpuss on Sept 17, 2020 12:49:36 GMT
Are we any closer to finding out if this is the last year of his contract or if he has one more? Hardly, otherwise that fee & wages would have seen a permanent move. Like I've said several times, you make a marquee signing for 4-5 years, not 2. The fact this is being kept a guarded secret makes you think it's more than 4.
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 12:58:55 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 17, 2020 12:58:55 GMT
It’s a now a no from Mad Nath and MON. Last appearance in a Stoke shirt with him being sarcastically cheered off, ifI remember rightly. Looks like the end his Potteries adventure. Even his arrival was strange from Wolves via Bournemouth. Rowett certainly bought some average players at top dollar. Feel sorry for his personal circumstances, tragic loss of a child and bad injury. Think MON tried to re-open the door but just not happened. Be interesting to see how he gets on in Turkey (with Etebo - unbelievable). But doubt we’ll ever see any big transfer money.
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 13:05:48 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 17, 2020 13:05:48 GMT
Well I think it's fair to say he didn't give 100% here.
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 13:09:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 13:09:53 GMT
It’s a now a no from Mad Nath and MON. Last appearance in a Stoke shirt with him being sarcastically cheered off, ifI remember rightly. Looks like the end his Potteries adventure. Even his arrival was strange from Wolves via Bournemouth. Rowett certainly bought some average players at top dollar. Feel sorry for his personal circumstances, tragic loss of a child and bad injury. Think MON tried to re-open the door but just not happened. Be interesting to see how he gets on in Turkey (with Etebo - unbelievable). But doubt we’ll ever see any big transfer money. After that, I could never have imagined Afobe wanting to play for us again. He scored an alright number until Jones got here. He was expected to score a lot more given the fee paid, but that’s just terrible business on our behalf.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 13:15:27 GMT
Looks like 100,000 euros loan fee and 1.3m euros wages Do we think that representatives of the Turkish league clubs even bother to line up anymore before they meet Scholes? Less than £100k loan fee for player whose likely to be in their starting line-up on a regular basis? Probably no guarantee on purchase if he does bang them in for fun over there either.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 17, 2020 13:23:16 GMT
The mess we are in now, I am not sure we ever expect to sell Badou, Wimmer, Bauer, Etebo and Afobe - the objective seems to be to loan them out each year to cover (most of) their wages as best we can, until their contracts end. No one will give them a multi-year contract for the wages we are paying them, nor will they pay Stoke the fee needed for us to balance FFP concerns.
It is like we own several very expensive cars, but can't afford to drive them and no one wants to buy them, so we let someone else drive them for free, so long as they pay for the petrol!
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 13:30:49 GMT
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Post by dudnostokie on Sept 17, 2020 13:30:49 GMT
The mess we are in now, I am not sure we ever expect to sell Badou, Wimmer, Bauer, Etebo and Afobe - the objective seems to be to loan them out each year to cover (most of) their wages as best we can, until their contracts end. No one will give them a multi-year contract for the wages we are paying them, nor will they pay Stoke the fee needed for us to balance FFP concerns. It is like we own several very expensive cars, but can't afford to drive them and no one wants to buy them, so we let someone else drive them for free, so long as they pay for the petrol! Ace analogy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 13:40:41 GMT
Looks like 100,000 euros loan fee and 1.3m euros wages Do we think that representatives of the Turkish league clubs even bother to line up anymore before they meet Scholes? Less than £100k loan fee for player whose likely to be in their starting line-up on a regular basis? Probably no guarantee on purchase if he does bang them in for fun over there either. They're covering his full wage it seems, that's a result under the circumstances from a FFP perspective......
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Post by thequietman on Sept 17, 2020 13:48:36 GMT
The mess we are in now, I am not sure we ever expect to sell Badou, Wimmer, Bauer, Etebo and Afobe - the objective seems to be to loan them out each year to cover (most of) their wages as best we can, until their contracts end. No one will give them a multi-year contract for the wages we are paying them, nor will they pay Stoke the fee needed for us to balance FFP concerns. It is like we own several very expensive cars, but can't afford to drive them and no one wants to buy them, so we let someone else drive them for free, so long as they pay for the petrol! You'd have to say with at least one of those that a tank of petrol would be worth more than the car.
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 14:05:21 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2020 14:05:21 GMT
So surely that's his full wage paid? You would hope so £1m a year who the fcuk negotiated that in the first place FFS
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 17, 2020 14:30:11 GMT
So surely that's his full wage paid? You would hope so £1m a year who the fcuk negotiated that in the first place FFS I don't think £1m a year is extraordinary for a Championship player..£20 grand a week, you'd expect to pay something like this for a striker who has scored 50 in the top 2 Divisions. I'd be surprised if it was that low considering. Average is 29,000 a week and that includes the likes of Barnsley etc
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 14:38:36 GMT
Post by butlerstbob on Sept 17, 2020 14:38:36 GMT
You would hope so £1m a year who the fcuk negotiated that in the first place FFS I don't think £1m a year is extraordinary for a Championship player..£20 grand a week, you'd expect to pay something like this for a striker who has scored 50 in the top 2 Divisions. I'd be surprised if it was that low considering. Average is 29,000 a week and that includes the likes of Barnsley etc To be fair considering how much we paid for him was it 12 million? 20 grand a week seems a bit low...for a 12 million pound player anyway so if 20 grand a week is true then it was a good bit of negotiating I would say.
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 14:42:26 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2020 14:42:26 GMT
I don't think £1m a year is extraordinary for a Championship player..£20 grand a week, you'd expect to pay something like this for a striker who has scored 50 in the top 2 Divisions. I'd be surprised if it was that low considering. Average is 29,000 a week and that includes the likes of Barnsley etc To be fair considering how much we paid for him was it 12 million? 20 grand a week seems a bit low...for a 12 million pound player anyway so if 20 grand a week is true then it was a good bit of negotiating I would say. We paid £12m for him but he is not a £12m player as we know so how is that good negotiating ?, I doubt that is true anyway it's probably more than double that going on our CEO's record.
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 14:45:43 GMT
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Post by butlerstbob on Sept 17, 2020 14:45:43 GMT
To be fair considering how much we paid for him was it 12 million? 20 grand a week seems a bit low...for a 12 million pound player anyway so if 20 grand a week is true then it was a good bit of negotiating I would say. We paid £12m for him but he is not a £12m player as we know so how is that good negotiating ?, I doubt that is true anyway it's probably more than double that going on our CEO's record. We know he is not a 12 million pound player NOW but we didn't THEN, so for me if we sign a player on the assumption he is worth 12 mill then 20 grand seems a bit low, I actually think he will be on closer to 30 but hey what do I know!
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2020 14:54:34 GMT
We paid £12m for him but he is not a £12m player as we know so how is that good negotiating ?, I doubt that is true anyway it's probably more than double that going on our CEO's record. We know he is not a 12 million pound player NOW but we didn't THEN, so for me if we sign a player on the assumption he is worth 12 mill then 20 grand seems a bit low, I actually think he will be on closer to 30 but hey what do I know! Yeah, the initial Turkish reports suggested they were making a contribution, not the full whack. I'd guess it was more than 25k. The Bristol Post has more than once claimed it was "in excess of £35,000"! www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/former-bristol-city-loanee-stoke-4516636And even though City had an option to make Afobe's move into a permanent one, a combination of Stoke's valuation and his wage requirements - in excess of £35,000 a week - meant a deal was always unlikely. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/considerable-doubt-benik-afobe-return-4279626Further, while no final definitive decision has been made on Afobe's future just yet as he confirmed himself recently, another problem is the striker's wages, which are believed to be around £35,000 a week and and way above what City would be willing to pay.
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 15:12:28 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2020 15:12:28 GMT
We paid £12m for him but he is not a £12m player as we know so how is that good negotiating ?, I doubt that is true anyway it's probably more than double that going on our CEO's record. We know he is not a 12 million pound player NOW but we didn't THEN, so for me if we sign a player on the assumption he is worth 12 mill then 20 grand seems a bit low, I actually think he will be on closer to 30 but hey what do I know! A good number of Stoke fans knew he was not worth £12m, pity our CEO didn't he also thought Wimmer was an £18m player I wonder how much he agreed to pay that useless waster ?
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2020 15:44:33 GMT
Can understand how bollocks have been dropped taking gambles when in the Premier. But can’t fathom how this happened when being in pole position with the biggest budget in the championship e.g. Afobe, Woods, Vokes, Ince. Where were the lessons learnt? This lands squarely on the shoulders of Rowett and Kev Phillips. There were even people on this board, not myself, questioning Afobe's record before we signed him. Going by the ex recruitment guy ,Cruickshank, the club questioned it as well as Gayle on loan was on the table
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 15:57:56 GMT
Post by thequietman on Sept 17, 2020 15:57:56 GMT
The mess we are in now, I am not sure we ever expect to sell Badou, Wimmer, Bauer, Etebo and Afobe - the objective seems to be to loan them out each year to cover (most of) their wages as best we can, until their contracts end. No one will give them a multi-year contract for the wages we are paying them, nor will they pay Stoke the fee needed for us to balance FFP concerns. It is like we own several very expensive cars, but can't afford to drive them and no one wants to buy them, so we let someone else drive them for free, so long as they pay for the petrol! You'd have to say with at least one of those that a tank of petrol would be worth more than the car. to push the analogy a bit further, we thought we were getting an ASCOD Ulan en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCOD and it turned out to be a Steyr 90 that ran like it had 3 flat tyres and a cylinder misfire en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_90_series
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Afobe
Sept 17, 2020 16:02:41 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 17, 2020 16:02:41 GMT
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 17, 2020 16:03:03 GMT
TurkeyStokealona - the secret to a slimmer Wimmer?
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