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Afobe
Mar 30, 2020 23:09:24 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 30, 2020 23:09:24 GMT
Who will Benik be playing for when (or if) the season restarts?
Will he be at Bristol City until the end of the season, or do loan deals expire on a set date (ie June 1st)?
He could be a decent addition for our last nine games. I get the feeling he has a lot more to offer than we have seen so far.
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Post by gutreaction on Mar 30, 2020 23:23:58 GMT
He be liking the cider me babbers
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Afobe
Mar 30, 2020 23:30:03 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 30, 2020 23:30:03 GMT
He be liking the cider me boys I’m not so sure he will. Unless the window opens and you sign him I think he becomes eligible for us from June.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 5:19:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 5:19:23 GMT
Daft question given he is our player, but would he be eligible to play against Bristol City, a club that have no doubt paid a fee to loan him and paid a certain percentage of his wages?
It's dodgy ground to some degree isn't it?
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Post by biglad180 on Mar 31, 2020 8:41:14 GMT
i would give him another go here in Micheal ONeil i think we have a manager who can get the best out of him. i think him and Tyrese could get loads of goals between them given the right service.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 8:51:45 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 8:51:45 GMT
Surely all loans are going to be extended if the season kicks back in?
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 31, 2020 8:57:10 GMT
Surely all loans are going to be extended if the season kicks back in? Suppose so but it might depend on how watertight the contract wording is. If it just sets out a date then we might have the right to insist he comes back, but the contract might have wording that specifies either a date or the end of the season (however that is defined) whichever is the later, to cater for unforeseen events like this that extend the season.
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Post by werrington on Mar 31, 2020 8:58:53 GMT
Surely all loans are going to be extended if the season kicks back in? Problem is Bayern is if that player has already signed a pre contract agreement with another club to start on July 1st In that case and as it stands the club who own him won’t own him then and his new club may well not want him potentially injured It’s a mind field
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 9:00:15 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 9:00:15 GMT
Surely all loans are going to be extended if the season kicks back in? Suppose so but it might depend on how watertight the contract wording is. If it just sets out a date then we might have the right to insist he comes back, but the contract might have wording that specifies either a date or the end of the season (however that is defined) whichever is the later, to cater for unforeseen events like this that extend the season. I think that'd be proper cuntish on our behalf tbh. And I'd imagine they (FA/EFL/PL) will write the rules to make sure that doesn't happen. Ie you finish the season with the squad you had registered at 23:59 on Jan 31st. It's not fair on anyone else.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 9:01:29 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 9:01:29 GMT
Surely all loans are going to be extended if the season kicks back in? Problem is Bayern is if that player has already signed a pre contract agreement with another club to start on July 1st In that case and as it stands the club who own him won’t own him then and his new club may well not want him potentially injured It’s a mind field Again that's linked to the season, easily remedied with new rules to defer it to a later date between seasons. They can't imo do anything else.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 9:05:04 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 31, 2020 9:05:04 GMT
Suppose so but it might depend on how watertight the contract wording is. If it just sets out a date then we might have the right to insist he comes back, but the contract might have wording that specifies either a date or the end of the season (however that is defined) whichever is the later, to cater for unforeseen events like this that extend the season. I think that'd be proper cuntish on our behalf tbh. And I'd imagine they (FA/EFL/PL) will write the rules to make sure that doesn't happen. Ie you finish the season with the squad you had registered at 23:59 on Jan 31st. It's not fair on anyone else. It’s not being “cuntish” at all. If it’s clear in the contract of the loan that it ends on a specific date as opposed to after the last game of the season then he is our player again. Same goes for all of our loaned out players, and also the likes of Chester going the other way.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 9:06:12 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 31, 2020 9:06:12 GMT
Daft question given he is our player, but would he be eligible to play against Bristol City, a club that have no doubt paid a fee to loan him and paid a certain percentage of his wages? It's dodgy ground to some degree isn't it? Christ knows it’s going to need some clarity once we get a confirmed date of when it’s restarting.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 9:07:35 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 9:07:35 GMT
I think that'd be proper cuntish on our behalf tbh. And I'd imagine they (FA/EFL/PL) will write the rules to make sure that doesn't happen. Ie you finish the season with the squad you had registered at 23:59 on Jan 31st. It's not fair on anyone else. It’s not being “cuntish” at all. If it’s clear in the contract of the loan that it ends on a specific date as opposed to after the last game of the season then he is our player again. Same goes for all of our loaned out players, and also the likes of Chester going the other way. It really is. I mean I wouldn't play the season anyway and it solves the issue straight away but if it does go ahead then teams have to use the squad they started Fabruary with. It makes a mockery of it else.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 9:13:14 GMT
Post by thebet365 on Mar 31, 2020 9:13:14 GMT
I think that'd be proper cuntish on our behalf tbh. And I'd imagine they (FA/EFL/PL) will write the rules to make sure that doesn't happen. Ie you finish the season with the squad you had registered at 23:59 on Jan 31st. It's not fair on anyone else. It’s not being “cuntish” at all. If it’s clear in the contract of the loan that it ends on a specific date as opposed to after the last game of the season then he is our player again. Same goes for all of our loaned out players, and also the likes of Chester going the other way. I'd imagine it's also clear in the contract that he's on loan for the season, which it still will be the same season when/if it resumes.I'd imagine at the very least he won't be eligible to play for us even if he doesn't play for Bristol City.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 9:17:23 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 31, 2020 9:17:23 GMT
It’s not being “cuntish” at all. If it’s clear in the contract of the loan that it ends on a specific date as opposed to after the last game of the season then he is our player again. Same goes for all of our loaned out players, and also the likes of Chester going the other way. I'd imagine it's also clear in the contract that he's on loan for the season, which it still will be the same season when/if it resumes.I'd imagine at the very least he won't be eligible to play for us even if he doesn't play for Bristol City. If it’s clear in the contract that it’s until the end of the season then fair enough. If it’s dated until, for example, June 1st, then he becomes our player for the last nine games I would imagine. I only asked the question because I genuinely don’t know how these deals are worded.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 9:19:44 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 31, 2020 9:19:44 GMT
It’s not being “cuntish” at all. If it’s clear in the contract of the loan that it ends on a specific date as opposed to after the last game of the season then he is our player again. Same goes for all of our loaned out players, and also the likes of Chester going the other way. It really is. I mean I wouldn't play the season anyway and it solves the issue straight away but if it does go ahead then teams have to use the squad they started Fabruary with. It makes a mockery of it else. It really isn’t. It’s a matter of legality and if we want him back we have every right to if the deal is dated. And yes, the longer this sorry situation goes on for, the more I’m inclined to agree.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 9:25:08 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 9:25:08 GMT
It really is. I mean I wouldn't play the season anyway and it solves the issue straight away but if it does go ahead then teams have to use the squad they started Fabruary with. It makes a mockery of it else. It really isn’t. It’s a matter of legality and if we want him back we have every right to if the deal is dated. And yes, the longer this sorry situation goes on for, the more I’m inclined to agree. It really is The laws are there to be changed and they will have to be or it's a nonsense. I would hope our club wouldn't that twat who did that when imo its clearly the wrong thing to do in all of this. Unprecedented times call for unprecedented things and rules to be broken. This would have to be one. I can't see the point in finishing though, behind closed doors is just for the money of the elite. Just bin it off and start again.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 31, 2020 9:29:58 GMT
It really isn’t. It’s a matter of legality and if we want him back we have every right to if the deal is dated. And yes, the longer this sorry situation goes on for, the more I’m inclined to agree. It really is The laws are there to be changed and they will have to be or it's a nonsense. I would hope our club wouldn't that twat who did that when imo its clearly the wrong thing to do in all of this. Unprecedented times call for unprecedented things and rules to be broken. This would have to be one. I can't see the point in finishing though, behind closed doors is just for the money of the elite. Just bin it off and start again. I think you are being very naive if you think legally binding contacts worth millions of pounds will just get ripped up and disregarded.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 9:55:27 GMT
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Post by RF10 on Mar 31, 2020 9:55:27 GMT
It's a tough one but I think all loans will be extended.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 9:58:41 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 9:58:41 GMT
It really is The laws are there to be changed and they will have to be or it's a nonsense. I would hope our club wouldn't that twat who did that when imo its clearly the wrong thing to do in all of this. Unprecedented times call for unprecedented things and rules to be broken. This would have to be one. I can't see the point in finishing though, behind closed doors is just for the money of the elite. Just bin it off and start again. I think you are being very naive if you think legally binding contacts worth millions of pounds will just get ripped up and disregarded. I don't think it's naive at all. You'd just be putting them back by a month or two to preserve the integrity of it all. Why anyone wouldn't agree to that I do not know. What's way more damaging is actually carrying on and acting like that contract means something if the season goes past July 1st. That's why they have to make rules to put that sort of thing off or to just bin this season of all together.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 31, 2020 10:29:52 GMT
I really couldn't wait to see him go when he left, but that could be said about several players before O'Neill's arrival. Now, I actually think he could be our 15+ goals striker! I really think £6M is very cheap anyhow, as we paid more than £12M ourselves two sesons ago! How things quickly change in football!!!!
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 10:32:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 10:32:21 GMT
Who will Benik be playing for when (or if) the season restarts? Will he be at Bristol City until the end of the season, or do loan deals expire on a set date (ie June 1st)? He could be a decent addition for our last nine games. I get the feeling he has a lot more to offer than we have seen so far. Afobe wasn't registered to play for SCFC in the league for the season when registration ended, so even if he did return, he would not be eligible to play for us, until next season starts. He did play for us in August but that was before his loan to Bristol C was arranged.
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Post by onepara on Mar 31, 2020 10:42:24 GMT
Michael will talk to him, then if he sees his future is at Bristol C. that's where he will go. He won't want to keep a player that doesn't want to play for him. Regardless of contractual issues.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 10:45:57 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 31, 2020 10:45:57 GMT
I really couldn't wait to see him go when he left, but that could be said about several players before O'Neill's arrival. Now, I actually think he could be our 15+ goals striker! I really think £6M is very cheap anyhow, as we paid more than £12M ourselves two sesons ago! How things quickly change in football!!!! I agree. We will regret it if he leaves. Campbell, Afobe, and for all his critics (including me), Vokes, are three capable strikers for this level. We also have an outstanding talent in Mo Sankoh coming through the ranks aswell. It all depends on the player though, by all accounts he demanded to leave the club after being booed off against QPR.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 11:52:45 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 31, 2020 11:52:45 GMT
i would give him another go here in Micheal ONeil i think we have a manager who can get the best out of him. i think him and Tyrese could get loads of goals between them given the right service. I'd agree if we played two up front but as it stands I don't see how it would work, Campbell out wide just doesn't have the same impact as when he plays more central, all things considered, FFP etc, I think I'd be happy if we were to cash in on him.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 31, 2020 12:21:26 GMT
According to callum Davidson, coach under rowett, afobe was one of the good guys, one of few desperate to do well and pull in the direction needed.
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 14:43:14 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 31, 2020 14:43:14 GMT
He sounds like a humble individual from interviews I've heard. Given many players remarkable transformation under the new manager, I would certainly like to see if he could work his magic with Afobe. Him & Campbell I think could be something special. His alleged spot on attitude is certainly likely to be in his favour with O'Neill who clearly likes a good egg in his squad.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 31, 2020 15:09:02 GMT
'mind field'
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 16:44:18 GMT
Post by biglad180 on Mar 31, 2020 16:44:18 GMT
for me the £6 million pound we have been quoted for Benik is no where near enough money for him. who could we get for that price, we must keep him and play him, unless we get a realistic fee,
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Afobe
Mar 31, 2020 17:03:16 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Mar 31, 2020 17:03:16 GMT
I think you are being very naive if you think legally binding contacts worth millions of pounds will just get ripped up and disregarded. I don't think it's naive at all. You'd just be putting them back by a month or two to preserve the integrity of it all. Why anyone wouldn't agree to that I do not know. What's way more damaging is actually carrying on and acting like that contract means something if the season goes past July 1st. That's why they have to make rules to put that sort of thing off or to just bin this season of all together. What happens if a players contract runs out in June will he have the right to demand to paid until the season is called over?
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