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Post by timehascome on Mar 28, 2020 6:52:24 GMT
thats why i think coates should of been removed years ago. stuck with hughes that sent us down then signed crappy british managers. the manager we have right now is a bit better but we should of gone european years ago when we still had a chance of staying in the premier league. look at us now. You really are clueless. Which other investors or entrepreneurs would put £270m in to our club and not expect a return? fraid to say they mismanaged our club. shitty manager after shitty manager. we had it all and they let hughes ruin it. we could of been saved but they let lambert take us down. now look at us.
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Post by s7oke on Mar 28, 2020 7:15:34 GMT
You really are disturbed I think looking at your other posts
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Post by timehascome on Mar 28, 2020 7:43:34 GMT
You really are disturbed I think looking at your other posts my opinion
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Post by elystokie on Mar 28, 2020 8:19:15 GMT
You really are disturbed I think looking at your other posts my opinion Around 80% of your posts mention Hughes, the others mention Pulis. I think what you have is called an agenda or an obsession, opinion doesn't cover it.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 28, 2020 8:47:57 GMT
makes me laugh people compare hughes to waddo. hughes took us down and we have never recovered. just after utd job didnt care about us. tru mate. History will tell you that Lambert took us down. That is fact. People have short memories..........when hughes was sacked we tried to sign Rowett, Martin O’Neill/Roy Kean, QSF but none were interested probably because we were in such a shitbin. Paul Lambert was taken on because he was the only manager with PL and Championship experience who was interested. He took over with players not interested, discipline and moral at an all time low and a defence leaking goals right, left and chelsea. He tried his best and managed to instil discipline and plugged the leaky defence but we just couldn’t hit the net without a decent striker (Berahino hang your head in shame). Those who have stated he was our worst managerial appointment for many years ......really, does that include mad Nathan? IMO Lambert, although manager at the time, was not the reason we were relegated. That accolade falls on the board, Hughes and his bunch of mercenary players he’d signed with the likes of Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino, Jesse etc etc.
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Post by s7oke on Mar 28, 2020 8:58:18 GMT
You really are disturbed I think looking at your other posts my opinion And me thinking you are disturbed is mine 👍
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Post by timehascome on Mar 28, 2020 9:16:33 GMT
Around 80% of your posts mention Hughes, the others mention Pulis. I think what you have is called an agenda or an obsession, opinion doesn't cover it. don't like either. both shit. pulis boring and made crap signings. hughes couldnt coach defence and ruined our club.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 28, 2020 9:26:40 GMT
Around 80% of your posts mention Hughes, the others mention Pulis. I think what you have is called an agenda or an obsession, opinion doesn't cover it. don't like either. both shit. pulis boring and made crap signings. hughes couldnt coach defence and ruined our club. Right you are, I'll leave it there mate. Have a lovely day
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 12:24:50 GMT
You really are clueless. Which other investors or entrepreneurs would put £270m in to our club and not expect a return? fraid to say they mismanaged our club. shitty manager after shitty manager. we had it all and they let hughes ruin it. we could of been saved but they let lambert take us down. now look at us. So, who exactly would you have replaced the Coates Famlly with? And who would you have appointed instead of Hughes? I really shouldn’t bite, but what you are stating is just bollocks. Do you not think that without the Coates Family, and their insistence that Pulis came back to manage the club when they bought the club back off the Icelanders, that we would never have seen the Premier League? Or was that before your time?
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Post by timehascome on Mar 28, 2020 17:37:33 GMT
fraid to say they mismanaged our club. shitty manager after shitty manager. we had it all and they let hughes ruin it. we could of been saved but they let lambert take us down. now look at us. So, who exactly would you have replaced the Coates Famlly with? And who would you have appointed instead of Hughes? I really shouldn’t bite, but what you are stating is just bollocks. Do you not think that without the Coates Family, and their insistence that Pulis came back to manage the club when they bought the club back off the Icelanders, that we would never have seen the Premier League? Or was that before your time? tru coates family and pulis took us to the premier league. still ruined it all by signing shitty hughes. no one wanted him in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 18:09:44 GMT
So, who exactly would you have replaced the Coates Famlly with? And who would you have appointed instead of Hughes? I really shouldn’t bite, but what you are stating is just bollocks. Do you not think that without the Coates Family, and their insistence that Pulis came back to manage the club when they bought the club back off the Icelanders, that we would never have seen the Premier League? Or was that before your time? tru coates family and pulis took us to the premier league. still ruined it all by signing shitty hughes. no one wanted him in the end. Best football have ever seen as a Stoke fan and highest finishes but as I said, obviously a wind up as no one spells or thinks like that outside of Louisiana swamps
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Post by timehascome on Mar 28, 2020 18:21:58 GMT
tru coates family and pulis took us to the premier league. still ruined it all by signing shitty hughes. no one wanted him in the end. Best football have ever seen as a Stoke fan and highest finishes but as I said, obviously a wind up as no one spells or thinks like that outside of Louisiana swamps hughes inherited a lot from pulis. tru he is better at signing players than pulis. but he couldnt coach defence. he was always going to send us down once pulis input faded. both were shit though. for me european manager should of replaced pulis. then we still be in premier league. instead we are almost as bad as alex and vale. tru mate
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 28, 2020 18:24:46 GMT
Can definitely tell that the schools have been shut for lockdown.
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Post by timehascome on Mar 28, 2020 18:29:39 GMT
Can definitely tell that the schools have been shut for lockdown. funny you are
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 29, 2020 9:58:02 GMT
why do the coates family always go british? mark hughes ruined our club and the managers the coates family signed after were shit as well. we should of gone european years back. better style of play. I think it is fairly common knowledge that they will only work with British managers and there have been many debates about this. For me it cost us our place in the prem(as there were no viable British options to choose from at that time) and could still cost us our place in the championship. It is hard to say too many bad things about a family that have given a lot of time and money to the club, but there xenophobia is costing us big time at the moment and has cost us in the past. Their lack of football knowledge and the lack of football knowledge of the people they employ to run the club is petrifying and even if they did employ a foreign manager it would probably be somebody from the Trinidad & Tobago 4th division. I jokingly said, after they finally removed NJ, that the next manager would probably be an Irish nobody who had only managed Lepricorn Rovers and would have no experience in English football - incredibly I was not too far off the mark, replace Lepricorn with Shamrock and I would have been 100% correct. It was an appalling decision/risk to take given the position we were in and that the man in question had other commitments. At the moment they seemed to have lucked out with this appointment, although we are still only 3pts from the drop with a fair few games to go, but lucked out is the key word here - it was a dreadful risk to take given his lack of experience in club football, championship football and football in England full stop and one they could not have known how it would go. That said, our current manager is doing a great job for the time-being and let us hope he turns out to be a real find - but if he does it will be more down to luck than expert judgement from our owners who are utterly clueless, in my opinion. Let us hope that MON has a long and prosperous career at Stoke, for if he does not it wont be long before the Coates family bring in the next line of British no-hopers and unheard off rejects and with it almost certain failure and tier 3 football again - and not for the first time under their guidance At the moment we can only sit and envy the likes of Leeds & WBA and elude to one day having players and a team that are as enjoyable to watch as the supporters of those 2 clubs have - let us hope with our new man that it is sooner than we think
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 29, 2020 10:30:44 GMT
Some managers from continental Europe are good. Others are rubbish. There's usually a clamour for a European manager I think just for the sake of having a European manager, as if it will make everything somehow different and exotic. However, you only have to look around the Championship to see that for every Bielsa, there's plenty of Karankas out there who would make the binary season look like Brazil 1970.
Statistically speaking, I believe you're best off with an Italian manager, since Italians have won more Premier League titles than anybody else. For some reason everybody wants a Spanish manager, though.
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 29, 2020 10:31:08 GMT
Can definitely tell that the schools have been shut for lockdown. funny you are Someone finally recognises my infallible comedic value.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 29, 2020 10:48:24 GMT
why do the coates family always go british? mark hughes ruined our club and the managers the coates family signed after were shit as well. we should of gone european years back. better style of play. I think it is fairly common knowledge that they will only work with British managers and there have been many debates about this. For me it cost us our place in the prem(as there were no viable British options to choose from at that time) and could still cost us our place in the championship. It is hard to say too many bad things about a family that have given a lot of time and money to the club, but there xenophobia is costing us big time at the moment and has cost us in the past. Their lack of football knowledge and the lack of football knowledge of the people they employ to run the club is petrifying and even if they did employ a foreign manager it would probably be somebody from the Trinidad & Tobago 4th division. I jokingly said, after they finally removed NJ, that the next manager would probably be an Irish nobody who had only managed Lepricorn Rovers and would have no experience in English football - incredibly I was not too far off the mark, replace Lepricorn with Shamrock and I would have been 100% correct. It was an appalling decision/risk to take given the position we were in and that the man in question had other commitments. At the moment they seemed to have lucked out with this appointment, although we are still only 3pts from the drop with a fair few games to go, but lucked out is the key word here - it was a dreadful risk to take given his lack of experience in club football, championship football and football in England full stop and one they could not have known how it would go. That said, our current manager is doing a great job for the time-being and let us hope he turns out to be a real find - but if he does it will be more down to luck than expert judgement from our owners who are utterly clueless, in my opinion. Let us hope that MON has a long and prosperous career at Stoke, for if he does not it wont be long before the Coates family bring in the next line of British no-hopers and unheard off rejects and with it almost certain failure and tier 3 football again - and not for the first time under their guidance At the moment we can only sit and envy the likes of Leeds & WBA and elude to one day having players and a team that are as enjoyable to watch as the supporters of those 2 clubs have - let us hope with our new man that it is sooner than we think WTF O'Neill was a risk because of lack of club, championship and english football experience yet the first paragraph you bemoan not taking a chance on a non british in the championship...... Pretty much every managerial appointment ends in failure, in my time supporting Stoke Lou (first time around) and possibly Gudjon are the only managers out of the god knows how many you could call complete successes and if they had stayed they would no doubt have ended in failure too.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 29, 2020 11:24:26 GMT
Best football have ever seen as a Stoke fan and highest finishes but as I said, obviously a wind up as no one spells or thinks like that outside of Louisiana swamps hughes inherited a lot from pulis. tru he is better at signing players than pulis. but he couldnt coach defence. he was always going to send us down once pulis input faded. both were shit though. for me european manager should of replaced pulis. then we still be in premier league. instead we are almost as bad as alex and vale. tru mate THey both werent shit though were they…… if they WERE they wouldnt have got so many seasons under their belt would they…. Think about it for a second - my genuine opinion is that we were on the cusp of something really good and ready to go to the next level and then it just fell apart with Hughes with mercenary signings. Pulis for all his faults DID deliver success to the club, however he sold us down the swanny in Valencia (thats my opinion) and it was all unravelling at that point. I think I get what your trying to say but to say theyre both shit is a pushing it a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 12:07:34 GMT
Can definitely tell that the schools have been shut for lockdown. What makes you think this idiot actually goes to school? I’ve yet to see a capital letter or coherent spelling, let alone a logical rationale for the tripe being spouted!!
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 29, 2020 21:11:27 GMT
I think it is fairly common knowledge that they will only work with British managers and there have been many debates about this. For me it cost us our place in the prem(as there were no viable British options to choose from at that time) and could still cost us our place in the championship. It is hard to say too many bad things about a family that have given a lot of time and money to the club, but there xenophobia is costing us big time at the moment and has cost us in the past. Their lack of football knowledge and the lack of football knowledge of the people they employ to run the club is petrifying and even if they did employ a foreign manager it would probably be somebody from the Trinidad & Tobago 4th division. I jokingly said, after they finally removed NJ, that the next manager would probably be an Irish nobody who had only managed Lepricorn Rovers and would have no experience in English football - incredibly I was not too far off the mark, replace Lepricorn with Shamrock and I would have been 100% correct. It was an appalling decision/risk to take given the position we were in and that the man in question had other commitments. At the moment they seemed to have lucked out with this appointment, although we are still only 3pts from the drop with a fair few games to go, but lucked out is the key word here - it was a dreadful risk to take given his lack of experience in club football, championship football and football in England full stop and one they could not have known how it would go. That said, our current manager is doing a great job for the time-being and let us hope he turns out to be a real find - but if he does it will be more down to luck than expert judgement from our owners who are utterly clueless, in my opinion. Let us hope that MON has a long and prosperous career at Stoke, for if he does not it wont be long before the Coates family bring in the next line of British no-hopers and unheard off rejects and with it almost certain failure and tier 3 football again - and not for the first time under their guidance At the moment we can only sit and envy the likes of Leeds & WBA and elude to one day having players and a team that are as enjoyable to watch as the supporters of those 2 clubs have - let us hope with our new man that it is sooner than we think WTF O'Neill was a risk because of lack of club, championship and english football experience yet the first paragraph you bemoan not taking a chance on a non british in the championship...... Pretty much every managerial appointment ends in failure, in my time supporting Stoke Lou (first time around) and possibly Gudjon are the only managers out of the god knows how many you could call complete successes and if they had stayed they would no doubt have ended in failure too. There are foreign managers that have experience in English football you know - see WBA manager You can't honestly tell me that any of the Coates managerial appointments are inspiring or have left you in awe at their bravery or that, while they are making the decisions, we will ever get a rock the city appointment - and going forward do you honestly, honestly trust things to ever change. It will always be British and always be the cheap option and somebody that will be grateful for the job - they are, in my opinion, fecking clueless with all things football and have made decisions that have seen us drop from tier 1 to tier 3 football(not for the first time) with god awful appointments and decisions. Yes clubs make poor managerial appointments, but the Coates have us teetering on the brink of tier 3 football - when 4 or 5 years ago I would have said that would be absolutely impossible with the position we were in - it has been another spectacular effort on their behalf and by all their backroom staff they employ to get us in this position - almost harder to do than not MON has done a great job thus far, but at a time we needed experience and some genuine recognised quality we went for a man who's only experience in league football was Shamrock Rovers, was dividing his time between two interests and doing community service to get a drink driving ban down - hardly reeked of inspiring or ambitious did it?
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 29, 2020 22:37:58 GMT
WTF O'Neill was a risk because of lack of club, championship and english football experience yet the first paragraph you bemoan not taking a chance on a non british in the championship...... Pretty much every managerial appointment ends in failure, in my time supporting Stoke Lou (first time around) and possibly Gudjon are the only managers out of the god knows how many you could call complete successes and if they had stayed they would no doubt have ended in failure too. There are foreign managers that have experience in English football you know - see WBA manager You can't honestly tell me that any of the Coates managerial appointments are inspiring or have left you in awe at their bravery or that, while they are making the decisions, we will ever get a rock the city appointment - and going forward do you honestly, honestly trust things to ever change. It will always be British and always be the cheap option and somebody that will be grateful for the job - they are, in my opinion, fecking clueless with all things football and have made decisions that have seen us drop from tier 1 to tier 3 football(not for the first time) with god awful appointments and decisions. Yes clubs make poor managerial appointments, but the Coates have us teetering on the brink of tier 3 football - when 4 or 5 years ago I would have said that would be absolutely impossible with the position we were in - it has been another spectacular effort on their behalf and by all their backroom staff they employ to get us in this position - almost harder to do than not MON has done a great job thus far, but at a time we needed experience and some genuine recognised quality we went for a man who's only experience in league football was Shamrock Rovers, was dividing his time between two interests and doing community service to get a drink driving ban down - hardly reeked of inspiring or ambitious did it? And if we had appointed Billic you would most likely be spouting similar opinions, cheap options christ look at the accounts see how much they have put in, they actually paid fees to get Rowett and Jones to come nothing cheap about them just two poor appointments. Shamrock Rovers is not his only experience in league football by the way, took them to their first title in over 15 years got them into group stages of the UEFA cup, got N.Ireland to Euro 2016 you might view his appointment as not inspiring or ambitious but the turnaround in the team suggests that is exactly what he is, you might yearn for a Frank Lampard or Steven Gerrard type appointment but as we saw at Derby and will see at Rangers they will be off at the first opportunity
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 29, 2020 23:32:38 GMT
There are foreign managers that have experience in English football you know - see WBA manager You can't honestly tell me that any of the Coates managerial appointments are inspiring or have left you in awe at their bravery or that, while they are making the decisions, we will ever get a rock the city appointment - and going forward do you honestly, honestly trust things to ever change. It will always be British and always be the cheap option and somebody that will be grateful for the job - they are, in my opinion, fecking clueless with all things football and have made decisions that have seen us drop from tier 1 to tier 3 football(not for the first time) with god awful appointments and decisions. Yes clubs make poor managerial appointments, but the Coates have us teetering on the brink of tier 3 football - when 4 or 5 years ago I would have said that would be absolutely impossible with the position we were in - it has been another spectacular effort on their behalf and by all their backroom staff they employ to get us in this position - almost harder to do than not MON has done a great job thus far, but at a time we needed experience and some genuine recognised quality we went for a man who's only experience in league football was Shamrock Rovers, was dividing his time between two interests and doing community service to get a drink driving ban down - hardly reeked of inspiring or ambitious did it? And if we had appointed Billic you would most likely be spouting similar opinions, cheap options christ look at the accounts see how much they have put in, they actually paid fees to get Rowett and Jones to come nothing cheap about them just two poor appointments. Shamrock Rovers is not his only experience in league football by the way, took them to their first title in over 15 years got them into group stages of the UEFA cup, got N.Ireland to Euro 2016 you might view his appointment as not inspiring or ambitious but the turnaround in the team suggests that is exactly what he is, you might yearn for a Frank Lampard or Steven Gerrard type appointment but as we saw at Derby and will see at Rangers they will be off at the first opportunity The title of the thread is "why not a european manager" so we would never have employed Bilic or never will with the Coates family in charge. However, WBA employed him and they are top of the table Taking Shamrock Rovers to the title is equivalent to taking Total Network Solutions to the title in Wales. You don't need to defend MON though, he is doing a good job - I get that If you owned a global business and you knew there were men out there that could potentially do fantastic job and had the credentials to do so - would you go out there and try and sell your business to them and make them a good offer no matter what lump of mud their mother farted them out on - or would you advertise the job in the local newspaper paper and expect potential candidates to come to you. This is a global business we are talking about now where the difference between success and failure are in the detail - see Brentford chairman. Narrowing your options down to just Welsh/Irish managers with no experience just because they come to you and give a good interview and are knowledgable about our club is small minded, egotistical and xenophobic - and why we are in the position we are in - again.
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Post by timehascome on Mar 30, 2020 0:20:20 GMT
WTF O'Neill was a risk because of lack of club, championship and english football experience yet the first paragraph you bemoan not taking a chance on a non british in the championship...... Pretty much every managerial appointment ends in failure, in my time supporting Stoke Lou (first time around) and possibly Gudjon are the only managers out of the god knows how many you could call complete successes and if they had stayed they would no doubt have ended in failure too. There are foreign managers that have experience in English football you know - see WBA manager You can't honestly tell me that any of the Coates managerial appointments are inspiring or have left you in awe at their bravery or that, while they are making the decisions, we will ever get a rock the city appointment - and going forward do you honestly, honestly trust things to ever change. It will always be British and always be the cheap option and somebody that will be grateful for the job - they are, in my opinion, fecking clueless with all things football and have made decisions that have seen us drop from tier 1 to tier 3 football(not for the first time) with god awful appointments and decisions. Yes clubs make poor managerial appointments, but the Coates have us teetering on the brink of tier 3 football - when 4 or 5 years ago I would have said that would be absolutely impossible with the position we were in - it has been another spectacular effort on their behalf and by all their backroom staff they employ to get us in this position - almost harder to do than not MON has done a great job thus far, but at a time we needed experience and some genuine recognised quality we went for a man who's only experience in league football was Shamrock Rovers, was dividing his time between two interests and doing community service to get a drink driving ban down - hardly reeked of inspiring or ambitious did it? fraid this is all true.
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Post by skip on Mar 30, 2020 0:32:23 GMT
why do the coates family always go british? mark hughes ruined our club and the managers the coates family signed after were shit as well. we should of gone european years back. better style of play. We had the Dutch loony, and the Icelandic oddball. Gudjon was the don.
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Post by skip on Mar 30, 2020 0:33:14 GMT
You really are disturbed I think looking at your other posts my opinion We are all entitled to our own opinions but opinions with verified substance tend to be better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 4:16:20 GMT
Around 80% of your posts mention Hughes, the others mention Pulis. I think what you have is called an agenda or an obsession, opinion doesn't cover it. hughes couldnt coach defence and ruined our club. Hughes ruined our club?
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Post by timehascome on Mar 30, 2020 4:42:28 GMT
hughes couldnt coach defence and ruined our club. Hughes ruined our club? coates let hughes run wild. both to blame. lamber to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 4:56:59 GMT
coates let hughes run wild. both to blame. lamber to. Yeah, lamber was a real arse.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 30, 2020 7:40:47 GMT
coates let hughes run wild. both to blame. lamber to. Yeah, lamber was a real arse. Bet ewe weren't saying that when spring came around...😉
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