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Post by M on Mar 26, 2020 22:46:27 GMT
I have regular sparing sessions with a certain chap online. We like each other, avoid the personal abuse but we're both poles apart with our views and opinions.
11 days ago after another one of our debates, he privately messaged me gloating about his worth by recent valuation of his business (a business which is hobby based for the majority of its customers by the way).
I tactfully pointed out he could quickly find his business being almost worthless and that he should stay grounded. Fast forward 11 days and he's now shitting himself that he is about 3 months away from having nothing if the government don't bail him out. The same person who has argued for years that we shouldn't bail individuals out because as far as he's concerned there is always only the afflicted who are at fault for their own downfall.
I'm not gloating. It actually saddens me because a lot of the things I've complained about or campaigned against is ultimately a system that is not fair and how it needs to look after everyone by way of a basic safety net.
Yes I know some don't want to work and get handouts, but I've always recognised there's those that do work who are just as bad like those who have today realised honesty pays and they the self employed payment they get in June would have nee higher if they had declared what they'd actually earned. Those people for me are just as bad as they're both ultimately defrauding the state and in turn, us. He's now realising just how unfair the benefit system is and so many others are too and I still want the state to help them.
I pray that what is happening now leads to change in perspective for everyone. Those who have everything should realise on the greater scale of things they contribute nothing. Those who have been derided for lack of skills over the years actually have the skills that are literally keeping the country going and people living and hopefully it will create a lot more understanding and compassion.
Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of individualism. We're all in this together after all.
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Post by lordb on Mar 26, 2020 22:58:12 GMT
I have regular sparing sessions with a certain chap online. We like each other, avoid the personal abuse but we're both poles apart with our views and opinions. 11 days ago after another one of our debates, he privately messaged me gloating about his worth by recent valuation of his business (a business which is hobby based for the majority of its customers by the way). I tactfully pointed out he could quickly find his business being almost worthless and that he should stay grounded. Fast forward 11 days and he's now shitting himself that he is about 3 months away from having nothing if the government don't bail him out. The same person who has argued for years that we shouldn't bail individuals out because as far as he's concerned there is always only the afflicted who are at fault for their own downfall. I'm not gloating. It actually saddens me because a lot of the things I've complained about or campaigned against is ultimately a system that is not fair and how it needs to look after everyone by way of a basic safety net. Yes I know some don't want to work and get handouts, but I've always recognised there's those that do work who are just as bad like those who have today realised honesty pays and they the self employed payment they get in June would have nee higher if they had declared what they'd actually earned. Those people for me are just as bad as they're both ultimately defrauding the state and in turn, us. He's now realising just how unfair the benefit system is and so many others are too and I still want the state to help them. I pray that what is happening now leads to change in perspective for everyone. Those who have everything should realise on the greater scale of things they contribute nothing. Those who have been derided for lack of skills over the years actually have the skills that are literally keeping the country going and people living and hopefully it will create a lot more understanding and compassion. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of individualism. We're all in this together after all. Some people might, in fact some will I'm sure but there will always be a streak of 'me first' that permeates. 40 years after Thatcher and Reagan there's not been a successful full on (for want of a less loaded word) socialist (note the small s) leader. Hopefully the balance at least swing a bit the other way.
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Post by M on Mar 26, 2020 23:06:02 GMT
I have regular sparing sessions with a certain chap online. We like each other, avoid the personal abuse but we're both poles apart with our views and opinions. 11 days ago after another one of our debates, he privately messaged me gloating about his worth by recent valuation of his business (a business which is hobby based for the majority of its customers by the way). I tactfully pointed out he could quickly find his business being almost worthless and that he should stay grounded. Fast forward 11 days and he's now shitting himself that he is about 3 months away from having nothing if the government don't bail him out. The same person who has argued for years that we shouldn't bail individuals out because as far as he's concerned there is always only the afflicted who are at fault for their own downfall. I'm not gloating. It actually saddens me because a lot of the things I've complained about or campaigned against is ultimately a system that is not fair and how it needs to look after everyone by way of a basic safety net. Yes I know some don't want to work and get handouts, but I've always recognised there's those that do work who are just as bad like those who have today realised honesty pays and they the self employed payment they get in June would have nee higher if they had declared what they'd actually earned. Those people for me are just as bad as they're both ultimately defrauding the state and in turn, us. He's now realising just how unfair the benefit system is and so many others are too and I still want the state to help them. I pray that what is happening now leads to change in perspective for everyone. Those who have everything should realise on the greater scale of things they contribute nothing. Those who have been derided for lack of skills over the years actually have the skills that are literally keeping the country going and people living and hopefully it will create a lot more understanding and compassion. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of individualism. We're all in this together after all. Some people might, in fact some will I'm sure but there will always be a streak of 'me first' that permeates. 40 years after Thatcher and Reagan there's not been a successful full on (for want of a less loaded word) socialist (note the small s) leader. Hopefully the balance at least swing a bit the other way. Do you think those "me first" ones will be the ones who come out of this mess relatively unscathed and almost justify to themselves that they were right all along? Whereas those hurt will reconsider their original position? Socialism though... I think we've seen the entire private sector nationalised over the last week. Some will be facing an existential crisis at the moment.
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Post by lordb on Mar 26, 2020 23:07:20 GMT
Some people might, in fact some will I'm sure but there will always be a streak of 'me first' that permeates. 40 years after Thatcher and Reagan there's not been a successful full on (for want of a less loaded word) socialist (note the small s) leader. Hopefully the balance at least swing a bit the other way. Do you think those "me first" ones will be the ones who come out of this mess relatively unscathed and almost justify to themselves that they were right all along? Whereas those hurt will reconsider their original position? Socialism though... I think we've seen the entire private sector nationalised over the last week. Some will be facing an existential crisis at the moment. Really wanted to use a different word however it's the right one.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 26, 2020 23:38:54 GMT
It makes you laugh really, we're rightly clapping criminally underequipped health workers who deserve it but to see Fatty and Sunak do it after pursuing policies that have led to the service being decimated left sick in my mouth. Suddenly we adore our cleaners and our shop workers who we have mostly shunted into toward the gig economy with no rights and little respect in this dog eat dog country.
I'd like to think that this crisis will see a rebalancing from the evil economy we had leading in to it but deep down we know, when this filthy virus is banished, and it will be, the natural order of things will be restored and everyone will know their place again.
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Post by innocentbystander on Mar 26, 2020 23:45:09 GMT
After watching Cops Like Us again I'm hoping that society will be improved by putting police numbers back to what they were only ten years ago.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 27, 2020 0:44:19 GMT
It makes you laugh really, we're rightly clapping criminally underequipped health workers who deserve it but to see Fatty and Sunak do it after pursuing policies that have led to the service being decimated left sick in my mouth. Suddenly we adore our cleaners and our shop workers who we have mostly shunted into toward the gig economy with no rights and little respect in this dog eat dog country. I'd like to think that this crisis will see a rebalancing from the evil economy we had leading in to it but deep down we know, when this filthy virus is banished, and it will be, the natural order of things will be restored and everyone will know their place again. It's funny how you never knew what my name was, Our only contact was a form for the election These days I find that you don't listen, These days I find that we're out of touch, These days I find that I'm too busy, So why the attention now you want my assistance - What have you done for me.
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Post by sifta on Mar 27, 2020 1:12:17 GMT
It makes you laugh really, we're rightly clapping criminally underequipped health workers who deserve it but to see Fatty and Sunak do it after pursuing policies that have led to the service being decimated left sick in my mouth. Suddenly we adore our cleaners and our shop workers who we have mostly shunted into toward the gig economy with no rights and little respect in this dog eat dog country. I'd like to think that this crisis will see a rebalancing from the evil economy we had leading in to it but deep down we know, when this filthy virus is banished, and it will be, the natural order of things will be restored and everyone will know their place again. It's funny how you never knew what my name was, Our only contact was a form for the election These days I find that you don't listen, These days I find that we're out of touch, These days I find that I'm too busy, So why the attention now you want my assistance - What have you done for me.
The important thing is that "It was done beneath the flag of democracy"
You must be my age, one of my favourite songs/albums ever.
Hopefully it will shut up those multi millionaires who in the past have stood up in front of others and without any self conciousness claimed that they are worth the millions they are paid, because the "create the jobs that keep others employed", while at the same time keeping wages down for people doing the work.
There is now a mass of indisputable evidence to show who really keeps this country (and the world) running, and when the dust settles this has to be recognised!
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Post by skip on Mar 27, 2020 1:26:15 GMT
Regrettably it will re-set Capitalism, not destroy it. Our only hope is that we get some kind of Capitalism 3.0 where skills and needs are redefined.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 27, 2020 3:52:03 GMT
I have regular sparing sessions with a certain chap online. We like each other, avoid the personal abuse but we're both poles apart with our views and opinions. 11 days ago after another one of our debates, he privately messaged me gloating about his worth by recent valuation of his business (a business which is hobby based for the majority of its customers by the way). I tactfully pointed out he could quickly find his business being almost worthless and that he should stay grounded. Fast forward 11 days and he's now shitting himself that he is about 3 months away from having nothing if the government don't bail him out. The same person who has argued for years that we shouldn't bail individuals out because as far as he's concerned there is always only the afflicted who are at fault for their own downfall. I'm not gloating. It actually saddens me because a lot of the things I've complained about or campaigned against is ultimately a system that is not fair and how it needs to look after everyone by way of a basic safety net. Yes I know some don't want to work and get handouts, but I've always recognised there's those that do work who are just as bad like those who have today realised honesty pays and they the self employed payment they get in June would have nee higher if they had declared what they'd actually earned. Those people for me are just as bad as they're both ultimately defrauding the state and in turn, us. He's now realising just how unfair the benefit system is and so many others are too and I still want the state to help them. I pray that what is happening now leads to change in perspective for everyone. Those who have everything should realise on the greater scale of things they contribute nothing. Those who have been derided for lack of skills over the years actually have the skills that are literally keeping the country going and people living and hopefully it will create a lot more understanding and compassion. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of individualism. We're all in this together after all. State of this. Jesus
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 27, 2020 5:44:34 GMT
I have regular sparing sessions with a certain chap online. We like each other, avoid the personal abuse but we're both poles apart with our views and opinions. 11 days ago after another one of our debates, he privately messaged me gloating about his worth by recent valuation of his business (a business which is hobby based for the majority of its customers by the way). I tactfully pointed out he could quickly find his business being almost worthless and that he should stay grounded. Fast forward 11 days and he's now shitting himself that he is about 3 months away from having nothing if the government don't bail him out. The same person who has argued for years that we shouldn't bail individuals out because as far as he's concerned there is always only the afflicted who are at fault for their own downfall. I'm not gloating. It actually saddens me because a lot of the things I've complained about or campaigned against is ultimately a system that is not fair and how it needs to look after everyone by way of a basic safety net. Yes I know some don't want to work and get handouts, but I've always recognised there's those that do work who are just as bad like those who have today realised honesty pays and they the self employed payment they get in June would have nee higher if they had declared what they'd actually earned. Those people for me are just as bad as they're both ultimately defrauding the state and in turn, us. He's now realising just how unfair the benefit system is and so many others are too and I still want the state to help them. I pray that what is happening now leads to change in perspective for everyone. Those who have everything should realise on the greater scale of things they contribute nothing. Those who have been derided for lack of skills over the years actually have the skills that are literally keeping the country going and people living and hopefully it will create a lot more understanding and compassion. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of individualism. We're all in this together after all. Not sure how you come to the conclusion those that do work are as bad as those that don't want to. Most of the self-employed have to diddle their tax's just to stay afloat and are at least paying something back and providing a service and also maybe employing others, whereas those who are too lazy to get off their ass are just taking and never contributing anything back at all. I understand there are those that cannot work and those that struggle to hold a job down for a number of reasons and they should be helped and there are those that just want to work the 9 to 5 and not want the stress of working for themselves. There are also those that go to college to learn a skill so that they can do a job they enjoy and get paid well for it and other people who wake up in the morning and want to become a millionaire and will throw enough shit against the wall till something sticks and eventually succeed(I think they call them entrepreneurs). Nothing wrong with all of the above - there is, however, a lot wrong with somebody who has a healthy mind and body who chooses just to leach off everybody else and expects society to look after them and think it is their given right to be given something for nothing
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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 27, 2020 6:08:45 GMT
I have regular sparing sessions with a certain chap online. We like each other, avoid the personal abuse but we're both poles apart with our views and opinions. 11 days ago after another one of our debates, he privately messaged me gloating about his worth by recent valuation of his business (a business which is hobby based for the majority of its customers by the way). I tactfully pointed out he could quickly find his business being almost worthless and that he should stay grounded. Fast forward 11 days and he's now shitting himself that he is about 3 months away from having nothing if the government don't bail him out. The same person who has argued for years that we shouldn't bail individuals out because as far as he's concerned there is always only the afflicted who are at fault for their own downfall. I'm not gloating. It actually saddens me because a lot of the things I've complained about or campaigned against is ultimately a system that is not fair and how it needs to look after everyone by way of a basic safety net. Yes I know some don't want to work and get handouts, but I've always recognised there's those that do work who are just as bad like those who have today realised honesty pays and they the self employed payment they get in June would have nee higher if they had declared what they'd actually earned. Those people for me are just as bad as they're both ultimately defrauding the state and in turn, us. He's now realising just how unfair the benefit system is and so many others are too and I still want the state to help them. I pray that what is happening now leads to change in perspective for everyone. Those who have everything should realise on the greater scale of things they contribute nothing. Those who have been derided for lack of skills over the years actually have the skills that are literally keeping the country going and people living and hopefully it will create a lot more understanding and compassion. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of individualism. We're all in this together after all. Some people might, in fact some will I'm sure but there will always be a streak of 'me first' that permeates. 40 years after Thatcher and Reagan there's not been a successful full on (for want of a less loaded word) socialist (note the small s) leader. Hopefully the balance at least swing a bit the other way. That's because as great an idea socialism is, it simply doesn't work.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 27, 2020 7:31:11 GMT
Some people might, in fact some will I'm sure but there will always be a streak of 'me first' that permeates. 40 years after Thatcher and Reagan there's not been a successful full on (for want of a less loaded word) socialist (note the small s) leader. Hopefully the balance at least swing a bit the other way. That's because as great an idea socialism is, it simply doesn't work.It works in Scandanavian countries just fine.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 27, 2020 7:49:02 GMT
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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 27, 2020 8:54:31 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 27, 2020 21:33:42 GMT
Never mind all the sentiment who was the poster..
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Post by foster on Mar 27, 2020 22:00:02 GMT
I have regular sparing sessions with a certain chap online. We like each other, avoid the personal abuse but we're both poles apart with our views and opinions. 11 days ago after another one of our debates, he privately messaged me gloating about his worth by recent valuation of his business (a business which is hobby based for the majority of its customers by the way). I tactfully pointed out he could quickly find his business being almost worthless and that he should stay grounded. Fast forward 11 days and he's now shitting himself that he is about 3 months away from having nothing if the government don't bail him out. The same person who has argued for years that we shouldn't bail individuals out because as far as he's concerned there is always only the afflicted who are at fault for their own downfall. I'm not gloating. It actually saddens me because a lot of the things I've complained about or campaigned against is ultimately a system that is not fair and how it needs to look after everyone by way of a basic safety net. Yes I know some don't want to work and get handouts, but I've always recognised there's those that do work who are just as bad like those who have today realised honesty pays and they the self employed payment they get in June would have nee higher if they had declared what they'd actually earned. Those people for me are just as bad as they're both ultimately defrauding the state and in turn, us. He's now realising just how unfair the benefit system is and so many others are too and I still want the state to help them. I pray that what is happening now leads to change in perspective for everyone. Those who have everything should realise on the greater scale of things they contribute nothing. Those who have been derided for lack of skills over the years actually have the skills that are literally keeping the country going and people living and hopefully it will create a lot more understanding and compassion. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of individualism. We're all in this together after all. If the person you're referring to would quite happily ignore the suffering of others as long as he kept his wealth, then fuck him. Gloating about his wealth is also a dick move. I suspect there are plenty of others more worthy of assistance and support than him. If he'd empathise and help others out then I sympathise.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 27, 2020 22:26:39 GMT
Never mind all the sentiment who was the poster.. Smeggybread ?
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Post by M on Mar 27, 2020 22:44:47 GMT
Never mind all the sentiment who was the poster.. Not someone on here, that I'm aware of that is.
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Post by lordb on Mar 27, 2020 23:16:52 GMT
Some people might, in fact some will I'm sure but there will always be a streak of 'me first' that permeates. 40 years after Thatcher and Reagan there's not been a successful full on (for want of a less loaded word) socialist (note the small s) leader. Hopefully the balance at least swing a bit the other way. That's because as great an idea socialism is, it simply doesn't work. What does work? Capatilism certainly doesn't.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 27, 2020 23:29:51 GMT
Regrettably it will re-set Capitalism, not destroy it. Our only hope is that we get some kind of Capitalism 3.0 where skills and needs are redefined. Regrettably Capitalism has sustained the majority of us. It's also allowed the government of the day to assist the majority of the country in these difficult times.
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 28, 2020 8:08:23 GMT
Never mind all the sentiment who was the poster.. Not someone on here, that I'm aware of that is. Bugger that would have been interesting if he were.
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 28, 2020 8:09:05 GMT
Never mind all the sentiment who was the poster.. Smeggybread ? I did think the same 👍
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 28, 2020 11:05:29 GMT
It just shows how valuable checkout assistants are.
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Post by skip on Mar 28, 2020 15:35:39 GMT
Regrettably it will re-set Capitalism, not destroy it. Our only hope is that we get some kind of Capitalism 3.0 where skills and needs are redefined. It's also allowed the government of the day to assist the majority of the country in these difficult times. I think you're confusing medicine, science and the health service with government. Anyway, now's not that time.
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