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Post by roosterscomb on Mar 25, 2020 20:42:01 GMT
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2020 20:48:41 GMT
Someone mentioned this a few weeks back.
Ok all the other clubs made the same mistake but you can't help but wonder what if.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 25, 2020 21:30:32 GMT
Someone mentioned this a few weeks back. Ok all the other clubs made the same mistake but you can't help but wonder what if. It must be worse for Leeds. 😉😂 |
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Post by Bagwash on Mar 25, 2020 23:43:02 GMT
On the same subject,there is a documentary called 'I believe in miracles' which charters Forests two European successes.
When people talk about great teams in the past,that Forest side are rarely mentioned and don't get the credit they deserve.
Worth a watch.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 26, 2020 3:21:46 GMT
Someone mentioned this a few weeks back. Ok all the other clubs made the same mistake but you can't help but wonder what if. It must be worse for Leeds. 😉😂 One of the daftest managerial appointments ever. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 26, 2020 6:07:20 GMT
Was it the appointment itself,or the way Clough went at it in the first few days?
Clough had never hidden his dislike for dirty Leeds to say the least,so likely he was doomed from the beginning.I think is notorious "you can take all your medals..." speech meant he'd shot his bolt on his first day.
However Johnny Giles said the portrayal of Clough in 'The Damned United' was shameful,Peter Lorimer (I think,) said he had no doubt that had Clough remained at Leeds,he'd have taken them to the European heights he achieved with Forest.
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 26, 2020 9:37:00 GMT
Dodged a bullet there..I mean, what did Clough ever achieve?  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 26, 2020 10:00:30 GMT
Was it the appointment itself,or the way Clough went at it in the first few days? Clough had never hidden his dislike for dirty Leeds to say the least,so likely he was doomed from the beginning.I think is notorious "you can take all your medals..." speech meant he'd shot his bolt on his first day. However Johnny Giles said the portrayal of Clough in 'The Damned United' was shameful,Peter Lorimer (I think,) said he had no doubt that had Clough remained at Leeds,he'd have taken them to the European heights he achieved with Forest. The appointment itself was daft. Revie looked after his players like his own sons and they loved him as if he was their father. So a man who’d built himself a cottage industry slagging Clough off was never going to work. His methods on takeover leave a lot to be desired but that was his style. This is why the assertion he’s the best manager England never had is flawed. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 10:13:13 GMT
Even if it hadn’t worked out, which I think it would’ve considering how bloody good he was, no one would have been bored.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 26, 2020 10:19:17 GMT
Clough insisted if he could have got Taylor to join him at Leeds he’d have turned it round.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 10:51:04 GMT
Oh, so the ineptitude in appointing managers runs deep does it?
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 26, 2020 11:28:02 GMT
Oh, so the ineptitude in appointing managers runs deep does it? I reckon Stoke City’s strike rate down the years is quite possibly no better or worse than other clubs. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 13:11:19 GMT
Oh, so the ineptitude in appointing managers runs deep does it? I reckon Stoke City’s strike rate down the years is quite possibly no better or worse than other clubs. He says as he has Mick Mills in his Avatar  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 26, 2020 13:33:41 GMT
I reckon Stoke City’s strike rate down the years is quite possibly no better or worse than other clubs. He says as he has Mick Mills in his Avatar 😁😉😁😉😁🤣 Actually mid table Mick did really well in his first two seasons. If he hadn't been given the cowardly baffling new contract in 89 he'd be viewed more fondly by us. But he wasn't a total disaster. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 26, 2020 13:48:20 GMT
He says as he has Mick Mills in his Avatar 😁😉😁😉😁🤣 Actually mid table Mick did really well in his first two seasons. If he hadn't been given the cowardly baffling new contract in 89 he'd be viewed more fondly by us. But he wasn't a total disaster. Yeah I would have Mick in the top half of our managerial appointments in the past 50 or 60 years, which both justifies your avatar and validates onlookers point on ineptitude. |
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Post by AlliG on Mar 26, 2020 17:14:17 GMT
He says as he has Mick Mills in his Avatar 😁😉😁😉😁🤣 Actually mid table Mick did really well in his first two seasons. If he hadn't been given the cowardly baffling new contract in 89 he'd be viewed more fondly by us. But he wasn't a total disaster. Agreed. Mick Mills took over one of the worst teams ever relegated from the top flight of English football and managed to prevent us falling through the Divisions. To demonstrate just how good a job he did in his first season we only have to look at the Wolves team who were relegated the season before us and who didn't stop plummeting until they hit 92nd in the Football League and only really started the climb back when they acquired the "once in a lifetime" partnership of Steve Bull & Andy Mutch. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 26, 2020 20:27:00 GMT
😁😉😁😉😁🤣 Actually mid table Mick did really well in his first two seasons. If he hadn't been given the cowardly baffling new contract in 89 he'd be viewed more fondly by us. But he wasn't a total disaster. Agreed. Mick Mills took over one of the worst teams ever relegated from the top flight of English football and managed to prevent us falling through the Divisions. To demonstrate just how good a job he did in his first season we only have to look at the Wolves team who were relegated the season before us and who didn't stop plummeting until they hit 92nd in the Football League and only really started the climb back when they acquired the "once in a lifetime" partnership of Steve Bull & Andy Mutch. Steve Bull turned Vale down,and signed for Wolves instead, because it was "too far" to travel from his home in Tipton. He turned a move to Coventry down later for the same reason. Wolves we're incredibly lucky with that one. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 26, 2020 21:43:57 GMT
😁😉😁😉😁🤣 Actually mid table Mick did really well in his first two seasons. If he hadn't been given the cowardly baffling new contract in 89 he'd be viewed more fondly by us. But he wasn't a total disaster. Yeah I would have Mick in the top half of our managerial appointments in the past 50 or 60 years, which both justifies your avatar and validates onlookers point on ineptitude. The avatar is there because it's a nostalgic ride. I used to have Nicky Morgan on my avatar! 😁 |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 26, 2020 22:03:50 GMT
Yeah I would have Mick in the top half of our managerial appointments in the past 50 or 60 years, which both justifies your avatar and validates onlookers point on ineptitude. The avatar is there because it's a nostalgic ride. I used to have Nicky Morgan on my avatar! 😁 That Sunderland goal on the waterlogged pitch! |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 26, 2020 22:20:03 GMT
Agreed. Mick Mills took over one of the worst teams ever relegated from the top flight of English football and managed to prevent us falling through the Divisions. To demonstrate just how good a job he did in his first season we only have to look at the Wolves team who were relegated the season before us and who didn't stop plummeting until they hit 92nd in the Football League and only really started the climb back when they acquired the "once in a lifetime" partnership of Steve Bull & Andy Mutch. Steve Bull turned Vale down,and signed for Wolves instead, because it was "too far" to travel from his home in Tipton. He turned a move to Coventry down later for the same reason. Wolves we're incredibly lucky with that one. We expected to fall through the divisions. Ron Saunders insisted he hadn’t erred by letting Bull go. Yeah OK |
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Post by AlliG on Mar 27, 2020 12:01:31 GMT
Steve Bull turned Vale down,and signed for Wolves instead, because it was "too far" to travel from his home in Tipton. He turned a move to Coventry down later for the same reason. Wolves we're incredibly lucky with that one. We expected to fall through the divisions. Ron Saunders insisted he hadn’t erred by letting Bull go. Yeah OK Back in 1989 I was transferred to our Wolverhampton office and as part of my "getting to know people" process I was taken to watch Wolves against Sheffield Utd (1st against 2nd I think). It was the first time I had ever seen Steve Bull live and it was a real eyeopener. Before I saw him play I couldn't work out how it was even possible to score 50 goals a season at a professional level, but having seen him play it became obvious. Every time Wolves had the ball in an attacking situation he never stopped making runs and when the ball was knocked up to him he would, if necessary, batter the defender to get there first and I doubt if he ever thought twice about belting the ball at goal. His first England goal against Scotland was the archetypal Steve Bull goal. Surprisingly, I am still good friends with the bloke who forced me to go to The Custard Bowl.  He is not a bad guy really (except for supporting Wolves) and does have a good line in stories from the years he lived next door to Dave Hill from Slade. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 27, 2020 12:32:45 GMT
We expected to fall through the divisions. Ron Saunders insisted he hadn’t erred by letting Bull go. Yeah OK Back in 1989 I was transferred to our Wolverhampton office and as part of my "getting to know people" process I was taken to watch Wolves against Sheffield Utd (1st against 2nd I think). It was the first time I had ever seen Steve Bull live and it was a real eyeopener. Before I saw him play I couldn't work out how it was even possible to score 50 goals a season at a professional level, but having seen him play it became obvious. Every time Wolves had the ball in an attacking situation he never stopped making runs and when the ball was knocked up to him he would, if necessary, batter the defender to get there first and I doubt if he ever thought twice about belting the ball at goal. His first England goal against Scotland was the archetypal Steve Bull goal. Surprisingly, I am still good friends with the bloke who forced me to go to The Custard Bowl. He is not a bad guy really (except for supporting Wolves) and does have a good line in stories from the years he lived next door to Dave Hill from Slade. Bull was best when it was an instinctive chance. If he had time to think about it he’d be more likely to fluff it. |
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Post by logdog on Mar 27, 2020 16:37:02 GMT
Back in 1989 I was transferred to our Wolverhampton office and as part of my "getting to know people" process I was taken to watch Wolves against Sheffield Utd (1st against 2nd I think). It was the first time I had ever seen Steve Bull live and it was a real eyeopener. Before I saw him play I couldn't work out how it was even possible to score 50 goals a season at a professional level, but having seen him play it became obvious. Every time Wolves had the ball in an attacking situation he never stopped making runs and when the ball was knocked up to him he would, if necessary, batter the defender to get there first and I doubt if he ever thought twice about belting the ball at goal. His first England goal against Scotland was the archetypal Steve Bull goal. Surprisingly, I am still good friends with the bloke who forced me to go to The Custard Bowl. He is not a bad guy really (except for supporting Wolves) and does have a good line in stories from the years he lived next door to Dave Hill from Slade. Bull was best when it was an instinctive chance. If he had time to think about it he’d be more likely to fluff it. Crikey! Bit harsh that Joe, the geezer scored 250 goals in 470 games for the YamYams.😂 |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 27, 2020 22:18:39 GMT
Bull was best when it was an instinctive chance. If he had time to think about it he’d be more likely to fluff it. Crikey! Bit harsh that Joe, the geezer scored 250 goals in 470 games for the YamYams.😂 Not harsh at all. It’s a balanced appraisal of his skills. He was brilliant. A good old fashioned football hero. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 22:42:18 GMT
Back in 1989 I was transferred to our Wolverhampton office and as part of my "getting to know people" process I was taken to watch Wolves against Sheffield Utd (1st against 2nd I think). It was the first time I had ever seen Steve Bull live and it was a real eyeopener. Before I saw him play I couldn't work out how it was even possible to score 50 goals a season at a professional level, but having seen him play it became obvious. Every time Wolves had the ball in an attacking situation he never stopped making runs and when the ball was knocked up to him he would, if necessary, batter the defender to get there first and I doubt if he ever thought twice about belting the ball at goal. His first England goal against Scotland was the archetypal Steve Bull goal. Surprisingly, I am still good friends with the bloke who forced me to go to The Custard Bowl. He is not a bad guy really (except for supporting Wolves) and does have a good line in stories from the years he lived next door to Dave Hill from Slade. Bull was best when it was an instinctive chance. If he had time to think about it he’d be more likely t I was at that game as a guest of some Celtic fans who had a company in Ayr. Think was about 16. I seem to remember John Fashanu playing, he was atrocious. He was interviewed bigging himself up as the future England striker in a TV interview after the game.  I think Bull scored a late goal to stop England losing their last game before Italia 90 v Tunisia , he was a great player. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 27, 2020 22:44:45 GMT
I just read an article that pretty much blames the most famous of maverick managers, Brian Clough, for the loss of the maverick footballer. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 28, 2020 10:34:14 GMT
I just read an article that pretty much blames the most famous of maverick managers, Brian Clough, for the loss of the maverick footballer. Good article. The thing is managers will pick players they know they can trust. Often the mavs didn’t fit that bill. |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 28, 2020 14:42:25 GMT
Steve Bull is a very apposite mention in a thread about Cloughy. Similar playing careers.
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I think Bull scored a late goal to stop England losing their last game before Italia 90 v Tunisia , he was a great player. 
