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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 24, 2020 7:13:36 GMT
I love the footage of him getting kicked to bits and still keeping going.
That dogged determination not to be stopped.
Even in the wonder goal against England he gets absolutely clattered but still scored the best goal ever.
The most incredible balance and low centre of gravity ever. Better even than Messi in that respect.
He was an artist on a football pitch. Sublime.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 7:31:04 GMT
I love the footage of him getting kicked to bits and still keeping going. That dogged determination not to be stopped. Even in the wonder goal against England he gets absolutely clattered but still scored the best goal ever. The most incredible balance and low centre of gravity ever. Better even than Messi in that respect. He was an artist on a football pitch. Sublime. I remember the 86 World Cup goal against Belgium where he got battered but stayed on his feet to score, showing balance that I'd never seen before on a football pitch or seen since.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 24, 2020 7:40:55 GMT
I love the footage of him getting kicked to bits and still keeping going. That dogged determination not to be stopped. Even in the wonder goal against England he gets absolutely clattered but still scored the best goal ever. The most incredible balance and low centre of gravity ever. Better even than Messi in that respect. He was an artist on a football pitch. Sublime. Grainy footage to say the least,but some of the attempts to stop him are ludicrous: I've seen a clip of Maradona getting scythed down and continuing after the ball on his hands and knees,such was his will to retain possession,can't find it now unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 7:49:43 GMT
I love the footage of him getting kicked to bits and still keeping going. That dogged determination not to be stopped. Even in the wonder goal against England he gets absolutely clattered but still scored the best goal ever. The most incredible balance and low centre of gravity ever. Better even than Messi in that respect. He was an artist on a football pitch. Sublime. Grainy footage to say the least,but some of the attempts to stop him are ludicrous: I've seen a clip of Maradona getting scythed down and continuing after the ball on his hands and knees,such was his will to retain possession,can't find it now unfortunately. I think I know the clip you mean. The best dribblers in history have had low centres of gravity, you never see a tall player ghosting past players very often . Garrincha a player I love watching clips of, his book is fantastic and well worth a read and of course Maradona and Messi the best ever. I still laugh at Terry Fenwick's attempt to stop him for that goal, I know I'll half heartedly stick an arm out.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 24, 2020 8:00:21 GMT
I love the footage of him getting kicked to bits and still keeping going. That dogged determination not to be stopped. Even in the wonder goal against England he gets absolutely clattered but still scored the best goal ever. The most incredible balance and low centre of gravity ever. Better even than Messi in that respect. He was an artist on a football pitch. Sublime. Grainy footage to say the least,but some of the attempts to stop him are ludicrous: I've seen a clip of Maradona getting scythed down and continuing after the ball on his hands and knees,such was his will to retain possession,can't find it now unfortunately. That’s a brilliant compilation. Kids should be shown a compilation of modern diving. Then shown that. And asked what do you think is the right way to play football? PS with the proviso that we’re trying to coach the dribbling not the tackling!!!! PPS although having said that I do often yearn for a nice full body sliding lunge tackle!!
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 24, 2020 8:11:21 GMT
Grainy footage to say the least,but some of the attempts to stop him are ludicrous: I've seen a clip of Maradona getting scythed down and continuing after the ball on his hands and knees,such was his will to retain possession,can't find it now unfortunately. That’s a brilliant compilation. Kids should be shown a compilation of modern diving. Then shown that. And asked what do you think is the right way to play football? PS with the proviso that we’re trying to coach the dribbling not the tackling!!!! PPS although having said that I do often yearn for a nice full body sliding lunge tackle!! It makes me chuckle,how most outstanding players have a 'signature' move that they are credited as occasioning (Rivelino's 'flip-flap,the Cruyff turn etc,) with Zidane it's the roulette,but Maradona was doing it to perfection 10 years earlier. In fact,Maradona was doing almost everyone's signature trick 10 years before they were.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 24, 2020 8:14:54 GMT
It's shyte when English people bang on about the hand of god. In reality we seemed to have one plan in that game and it was the same as everybody else's which was to kick Maradona out of the game. It didn't work for us like it didn't work for anyone else. In reality we'd hardly got out of our own half until then.
The most damaging legacy of the hand of god is it was the start of England being knocked out of tournaments and clinging to grievances.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 24, 2020 8:18:16 GMT
It's shyte when English people bang on about the hand of god. In reality we seemed to have one plan in that game and it was the same as everybody else's which was to kick Maradona out of the game. It didn't work for us like it didn't work for anyone else. In reality we'd hardly got out of our own half until then. The most damaging legacy of the hand of god is it was the start of England being knocked out of tournaments and clinging to grievances. The only reason I go on about the Hand of God goal Joe,is even tho' Maradona used his hand,how the f*ck did Shilton let a midget outjump him? 😉
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Post by elystokie on Mar 24, 2020 8:25:51 GMT
It's shyte when English people bang on about the hand of god. In reality we seemed to have one plan in that game and it was the same as everybody else's which was to kick Maradona out of the game. It didn't work for us like it didn't work for anyone else. In reality we'd hardly got out of our own half until then. The most damaging legacy of the hand of god is it was the start of England being knocked out of tournaments and clinging to grievances. The only reason I go on about the Hand of God goal Joe,is even tho' Maradona used his hand,how the f*ck did Shilton let a midget outjump him? 😉 He was a let down in many ways was Shilton, seemed an arrogant twat in the interviews I saw too.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 24, 2020 8:28:43 GMT
The only reason I go on about the Hand of God goal Joe,is even tho' Maradona used his hand,how the f*ck did Shilton let a midget outjump him? 😉 He was a let down in many ways was Shilton, seemed an arrogant twat in the interviews I saw too. Didn't he make a howler in the third place play off game of Italia 90 too? Or am I imagining that?
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Post by elystokie on Mar 24, 2020 8:31:58 GMT
He was a let down in many ways was Shilton, seemed an arrogant twat in the interviews I saw too. Didn't he make a howler in the third place play off game too? Or am I imagining that? I can't remember to be honest, don't even know if I watched it, I rarely bother with the third/fourth place games, they seem a bit pointless to me. As a club I wish we'd put our faith in Farmer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 9:06:30 GMT
It's shyte when English people bang on about the hand of god. In reality we seemed to have one plan in that game and it was the same as everybody else's which was to kick Maradona out of the game. It didn't work for us like it didn't work for anyone else. In reality we'd hardly got out of our own half until then. The most damaging legacy of the hand of god is it was the start of England being knocked out of tournaments and clinging to grievances. The only reason I go on about the Hand of God goal Joe,is even tho' Maradona used his hand,how the f*ck did Shilton let a midget outjump him? 😉 I've always blamed Peter Shilton for that goal. He "jumped" like he was doing the wankest ever Superman impression. Proper subbuteo goalkeeper was Shilton, never rated him, albeit I only ever really watched him in his latter years.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 24, 2020 9:39:52 GMT
He was a let down in many ways was Shilton, seemed an arrogant twat in the interviews I saw too. Didn't he make a howler in the third place play off game of Italia 90 too? Or am I imagining that? He got caught in no mans land and gave a penalty away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 11:36:53 GMT
Didn't he make a howler in the third place play off game of Italia 90 too? Or am I imagining that? He got caught in no mans land and gave a penalty away. Didn't he roll the ball out to his own feet and not see the attacker? Italy had a great goal ruled out in that game as well, almost as poor as the Maradona decision. I agree re England, always the hard done by team looking for excuses. They were on the right end of the worst decision in WC history of course
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 24, 2020 12:33:44 GMT
The suggestions of his transfer fee being mafia money actually exacerbates his legend. It’s perfectly Maradona. The irony is that the Napoli years were his best, but it was also the beginning of the end, because the Mafia controlled that whole era. They knew what they were doing by getting him there in the first place. The best player ever, I have no doubt.
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Post by apb1 on Mar 24, 2020 13:07:49 GMT
It's a great documentary, as you'd expect from the guy who made Senna and Amy.
What a raw, unprotected experience he had of fame, let alone the amount he got kicked on the field. The 'protection' he received, such as it was clearly dried up once he became the villain of Italia 90.
Some of the songs by fans (and Argentina players in the dressing room) were amazing! 'The whores who had them...'
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Post by onepara on Mar 24, 2020 18:56:02 GMT
I used to think that Pele was the best that I had seen. I've revised my opinion now that I've seen that film. A truly great football player. Streets ahead of Best & Messi. Gazza couldn't lace any of their boots, either. As for a tall man with balance & grace, what about Hoekstra (sp)?
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Post by onepara on Mar 24, 2020 18:57:12 GMT
I used to think that Pele was the best that I had seen. I've revised my opinion now that I've seen that film. A truly great football player. Streets ahead of Best & Messi. Gazza couldn't lace any of their boots, either. As for a tall man with balance & grace, what about Hoekstra (sp)? Correction :- Pele'.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 24, 2020 22:12:47 GMT
He got caught in no mans land and gave a penalty away. Didn't he roll the ball out to his own feet and not see the attacker? Italy had a great goal ruled out in that game as well, almost as poor as the Maradona decision. I agree re England, always the hard done by team looking for excuses. They were on the right end of the worst decision in WC history of course Rubbish. It was a foot behind the line.
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Post by BristolMick on Mar 24, 2020 22:33:13 GMT
Didn't he roll the ball out to his own feet and not see the attacker? Italy had a great goal ruled out in that game as well, almost as poor as the Maradona decision. I agree re England, always the hard done by team looking for excuses. They were on the right end of the worst decision in WC history of course Rubbish. It was a foot behind the line. Sure thing Joe. BM
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 8:37:46 GMT
Didn't he roll the ball out to his own feet and not see the attacker? Italy had a great goal ruled out in that game as well, almost as poor as the Maradona decision. I agree re England, always the hard done by team looking for excuses. They were on the right end of the worst decision in WC history of course Rubbish. It was a foot behind the line. Wasn't even close to crossing the line. In fact I doubt any of the ball actually crossed the line at all. Diabolical decision .There was a generated image by the Daily Mail think it was that was complete nonsense, the ball can clearly be seen breaking the goal line from computer images which shows it should never have counted.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 25, 2020 9:22:44 GMT
Rubbish. It was a foot behind the line. Wasn't even close to crossing the line. In fact I doubt any of the ball actually crossed the line at all. Diabolical decision .There was a generated image by the Daily Mail think it was that was complete nonsense, the ball can clearly be seen breaking the goal line from computer images which shows it should never have counted. It was well over. Even the German players knew it. Tofik Bachramov was the bastion of right over wrong.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 25, 2020 9:29:24 GMT
What I love the most about that compilation clip is that there isn’t a single step over or show pony trick, it’s just a perfect combination of brains, pace, power, stability and rapid feet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 9:56:06 GMT
Wasn't even close to crossing the line. In fact I doubt any of the ball actually crossed the line at all. Diabolical decision .There was a generated image by the Daily Mail think it was that was complete nonsense, the ball can clearly be seen breaking the goal line from computer images which shows it should never have counted. It was well over. Even the German players knew it. Tofik Bachramov was the bastion of right over wrong. Not at all. Wasn't even close. Changed the semi final venue, played all their games at Wembley, dodgy officials ..shocking stuff. Bloody cheats 😄.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 25, 2020 12:32:52 GMT
It was well over. Even the German players knew it. Tofik Bachramov was the bastion of right over wrong. Not at all. Wasn't even close. Changed the semi final venue, played all their games at Wembley, dodgy officials ..shocking stuff. Bloody cheats 😄. They knew how to cheat properly in them days.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 25, 2020 19:49:09 GMT
Not at all. Wasn't even close. Changed the semi final venue, played all their games at Wembley, dodgy officials ..shocking stuff. Bloody cheats 😄. They knew how to cheat properly in them days. And not a 35,000 tonnes delivery of wheat in sight?! 😉😂
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Post by redstriper on Mar 25, 2020 21:20:26 GMT
8 minutes of clips, with a lot of dribbling but not a single one where he finished it with a goal. over-rated. I had no problem with him handballing it (refs fault it was given, not his) other than it being blatant cheating and him arrogantly claiming it was the hand of god. He wouldn't have scored the "wonder goal" if he hadn't got away with the first one, leading him to believe he couldn't fail. I'll never forget that day and how gutted and let down i felt. not forgiven.... and never will be.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 26, 2020 2:55:37 GMT
8 minutes of clips, with a lot of dribbling but not a single one where he finished it with a goal. over-rated. I had no problem with him handballing it (refs fault it was given, not his) other than it being blatant cheating and him arrogantly claiming it was the hand of god. He wouldn't have scored the "wonder goal" if he hadn't got away with the first one, leading him to believe he couldn't fail. I'll never forget that day and how gutted and let down i felt. not forgiven.... and never will be. It's only cheating when an opponent does it.
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Post by BristolMick on Mar 26, 2020 8:03:35 GMT
8 minutes of clips, with a lot of dribbling but not a single one where he finished it with a goal. over-rated. I had no problem with him handballing it (refs fault it was given, not his) other than it being blatant cheating and him arrogantly claiming it was the hand of god. He wouldn't have scored the "wonder goal" if he hadn't got away with the first one, leading him to believe he couldn't fail. I'll never forget that day and how gutted and let down i felt. not forgiven.... and never will be. It's only cheating when an opponent does it. That’s right Joe, I don’t remember too much use of the word ‘cheating’ when Michael Owen’s blatant dive ‘won’ a penalty against the Argies in a subsequent World Cup. BM
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Post by werrington on Mar 26, 2020 8:05:56 GMT
It's only cheating when an opponent does it. That’s right Joe, I don’t remember too much use of the word ‘cheating’ when Michael Owen’s blatant dive ‘won’ a penalty against the Argies in a subsequent World Cup. BM Pochetino hacked him down
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