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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 18, 2020 19:28:29 GMT
Personally I'd just scrap this season. It's causing more headaches and stress to get the thing completed, there's more pressing issues than football. so what's the difference between the headache and stress of starting a new season and the headache and stress of finishing this season? From what I've seen, the earliest we can resume (that with supporters attending games) is July/August time. Which means stupidly congesting the end of one season to the quick turn around of the next, with the Euros next summer to contend with as well. Seems totally pointless in my eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 19:28:56 GMT
If the EFL, FA and the PL had anything more about them than greed the season would have already been scrapped.
You have had a top manager in Klopp take it upon himself to say he'd happily scrap the season to save just one life, and here we have three governing bodies babbling and bumbling along like one of my donkeys that grind their way to last place in the National.
Just call the season off and pour whatever resource they can now into society, to help our poorest get through what will be the hardest battle of our lifetimes.
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 18, 2020 19:52:54 GMT
It's obvious season will be suspended until early May at earliest.
Iirc there are 9 league games left, potentially 8 europa/cl and 4 fa Cup.
Presumably uefa will get together and designate certain weeks for European fixtures & then the fa fit Cup and league into the remainder.
Potentially 21 games will take at least 2 months though (more like 2 1/2) & we can't start 20-21 late as the euros need to fit in at the end.
Imo, if we don't start season by mid April it becomes impossible.
Does make he chuckle though that Liverpool could go from being the earliest ever league winners to the latest
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Post by lordb on Mar 18, 2020 20:06:21 GMT
It's obvious season will be suspended until early May at earliest. Iirc there are 9 league games left, potentially 8 europa/cl and 4 fa Cup. Presumably uefa will get together and designate certain weeks for European fixtures & then the fa fit Cup and league into the remainder. Potentially 21 games will take at least 2 months though (more like 2 1/2) & we can't start 20-21 late as the euros need to fit in at the end. Imo, if we don't start season by mid April it becomes impossible. Does make he chuckle though that Liverpool could go from being the earliest ever league winners to the latest Early May Early August if we are very lucky
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Post by uttoxeterpotter on Mar 18, 2020 20:17:37 GMT
Talk of Premier League possibly completing the remaining 92 games at 3 neutral venues over 3 weeks meaning clubs playing every 3 days.
So during a normal season PL managers especially Mr Klopp are complaining of too many games in a short space of time and players being tired and affecting performance. If this gets passed and goes ahead at some point in the future I wonder if Jurgen will complain about the schedule when he lifts the PL trophy?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 18, 2020 20:40:59 GMT
I renewed my season tickets last week and I’m happy enough to leave my money sitting with the Club for as long as necessary, however I also paid for 3 tickets for Reading and haven’t heard anything on refunds. Does all the away ticket money go to Stoke? I could do with the cash back but I’ll leave it if it’s contributing to our Clubs finances.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 18, 2020 21:11:32 GMT
I renewed my season tickets last week and I’m happy enough to leave my money sitting with the Club for as long as necessary, however I also paid for 3 tickets for Reading and haven’t heard anything on refunds. Does all the away ticket money go to Stoke? I could do with the cash back but I’ll leave it if it’s contributing to our Clubs finances. Home team keeps all ticket money.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 18, 2020 21:35:49 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 18, 2020 21:45:55 GMT
Ever the optimist I’d say we can write off this season and next as the suppression strategy only works in managing waves so the same issue will reappear next winter without a vaccine .
Good news is we won’t get relegated for two years on that basis
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 18, 2020 21:58:59 GMT
If the EFL, FA and the PL had anything more about them than greed the season would have already been scrapped. You have had a top manager in Klopp take it upon himself to say he'd happily scrap the season to save just one life, and here we have three governing bodies babbling and bumbling along like one of my donkeys that grind their way to last place in the National. Just call the season off and pour whatever resource they can now into society, to help our poorest get through what will be the hardest battle of our lifetimes. This is a very rapidly changing situation, as well as being totally unprecedented and unpredicted, and all organisations from the Government down, including football, have to take decisions which they never expected to have to take, on an almost daily basis, with potentially profound implications. If the season were just scrapped (which, who knows, it might have to be) the loss of ticket income could have very serious consequences for the survival of some clubs in the EFL and below in particular. To describe the fact that the season hasn't been cancelled as motivated by greed on the part of the FA and the leagues is inaccurate and very unfair IMHO. The FA have of course cancelled their international fixtures.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 22:09:53 GMT
If the EFL, FA and the PL had anything more about them than greed the season would have already been scrapped. You have had a top manager in Klopp take it upon himself to say he'd happily scrap the season to save just one life, and here we have three governing bodies babbling and bumbling along like one of my donkeys that grind their way to last place in the National. Just call the season off and pour whatever resource they can now into society, to help our poorest get through what will be the hardest battle of our lifetimes. This is a very rapidly changing situation, as well as being totally unprecedented and unpredicted, and all organisations from the Government down, including football, have to take decisions which they never expected to have to take, on an almost daily basis, with potentially profound implications. If the season were just scrapped (which, who knows, it might have to be) the loss of ticket income could have very serious consequences for the survival of some clubs in the EFL and below in particular. To describe the fact that the season hasn't been cancelled as motivated by greed on the part of the FA and the leagues is inaccurate and very unfair IMHO. The FA have of course cancelled their international fixtures. Do you think it is acceptable to finish the season behind closed doors, potentially risking the lives of background workers on minimum wages for the sake of finishing a sports competition that in the grand scheme of things, means very little when people are being buried in the ground, and means far more to sponsors and sports TV subscription providers? Of course you don't. I know full well the dangers to lower league clubs. I never thought I'd see the day where I would have a grown man cry his eyes out in front of me the day his beloved Bury went to the wall. It was almost repeated with another Bolton supporting colleague. Maybe greed was totally the wrong word to use. Maybe a phrase such as "petrified of litigation" would have been better to use?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 18, 2020 22:22:12 GMT
This is a very rapidly changing situation, as well as being totally unprecedented and unpredicted, and all organisations from the Government down, including football, have to take decisions which they never expected to have to take, on an almost daily basis, with potentially profound implications. If the season were just scrapped (which, who knows, it might have to be) the loss of ticket income could have very serious consequences for the survival of some clubs in the EFL and below in particular. To describe the fact that the season hasn't been cancelled as motivated by greed on the part of the FA and the leagues is inaccurate and very unfair IMHO. The FA have of course cancelled their international fixtures. Do you think it is acceptable to finish the season behind closed doors, potentially risking the lives of background workers on minimum wages for the sake of finishing a sports competition that in the grand scheme of things, means very little when people are being buried in the ground, and means far more to sponsors and sports TV subscription providers? Of course you don't. I know full well the dangers to lower league clubs. I never thought I'd see the day where I would have a grown man cry his eyes out in front of me the day his beloved Bury went to the wall. It was almost repeated with another Bolton supporting colleague. Maybe greed was totally the wrong word to use. Maybe a phrase such as "petrified of litigation" would have been better to use? I think it's in the nature of this awful situation that there isn't an 'acceptable' solution in the sense of a solution which doesn't have bad consequences. You may well be right that fear of litigation comes into it, but sometimes such fear is absolutely justified, and sometimes the right targets for criticism are those who would bring the litigation, not those litigated against.
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 18, 2020 22:31:18 GMT
Do you think it is acceptable to finish the season behind closed doors, potentially risking the lives of background workers on minimum wages for the sake of finishing a sports competition that in the grand scheme of things, means very little when people are being buried in the ground, and means far more to sponsors and sports TV subscription providers? Of course you don't. I know full well the dangers to lower league clubs. I never thought I'd see the day where I would have a grown man cry his eyes out in front of me the day his beloved Bury went to the wall. It was almost repeated with another Bolton supporting colleague. Maybe greed was totally the wrong word to use. Maybe a phrase such as "petrified of litigation" would have been better to use? I think it's in the nature of this awful situation that there isn't an 'acceptable' solution in the sense of a solution which doesn't have bad consequences. You may well be right that fear of litigation comes into it, but sometimes such fear is absolutely justified, and sometimes the right targets for criticism are those who would bring the litigation, not those litigated against. As I've said before, no court in the land would allow law suits because of something that's out of no ones control so who would you sue?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 22:58:47 GMT
I'm actually surprised that anybody is still giving a fuck about what might happen to a game of football to be honest.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 18, 2020 23:55:37 GMT
The EFL has confirmed it will aim to bring this season to a "successful conclusion" in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. .............. the Football League have stated their intention to complete the season when possible. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/efl-meeting-coronavirus-stoke-city-3963038A correct decision I believe. It may mean playing 3 games per week (Saturday/Sunday, Monday/Tuesday, and Wednesday/Thursday), but when it is practicable, which may not be for some months, let's get it done.
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Post by march4 on Mar 18, 2020 23:58:46 GMT
I think a possible solution is to abandon the season for 12 months and play the remaining games next March, April and May.
It is likely this crisis will come in cycles of total lockdown and partial lockdown. And it could well last a year.
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Post by musik on Mar 19, 2020 0:03:50 GMT
What year?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 6:32:46 GMT
Do you think it is acceptable to finish the season behind closed doors, potentially risking the lives of background workers on minimum wages for the sake of finishing a sports competition that in the grand scheme of things, means very little when people are being buried in the ground, and means far more to sponsors and sports TV subscription providers? Of course you don't. I know full well the dangers to lower league clubs. I never thought I'd see the day where I would have a grown man cry his eyes out in front of me the day his beloved Bury went to the wall. It was almost repeated with another Bolton supporting colleague. Maybe greed was totally the wrong word to use. Maybe a phrase such as "petrified of litigation" would have been better to use? I think it's in the nature of this awful situation that there isn't an 'acceptable' solution in the sense of a solution which doesn't have bad consequences. You may well be right that fear of litigation comes into it, but sometimes such fear is absolutely justified, and sometimes the right targets for criticism are those who would bring the litigation, not those litigated against. Fair point Malcolm. I hope that what comes out of this is a cancellation of the season, people across the board being sensible. A passing down of finance to ensure everyone is safe and when we are over the worst of it all, everyone finally getting around the table to renew a much fairer system where TV and sponsorship money is distributed more evenly. It will never happen, but it doesn't stop me hoping. I apologise if I came across too strongly, but I feel really strongly about this and as much as a I love football, it really fades into the background for me whilst there are people worldwide losing their lives on the huge scale we are seeing. I'm sure I'm not alone with that thought.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 19, 2020 7:49:53 GMT
I think it's in the nature of this awful situation that there isn't an 'acceptable' solution in the sense of a solution which doesn't have bad consequences. You may well be right that fear of litigation comes into it, but sometimes such fear is absolutely justified, and sometimes the right targets for criticism are those who would bring the litigation, not those litigated against. Fair point Malcolm. I hope that what comes out of this is a cancellation of the season, people across the board being sensible. A passing down of finance to ensure everyone is safe and when we are over the worst of it all, everyone finally getting around the table to renew a much fairer system where TV and sponsorship money is distributed more evenly. It will never happen, but it doesn't stop me hoping. I apologise if I came across too strongly, but I feel really strongly about this and as much as a I love football, it really fades into the background for me whilst there are people worldwide losing their lives on the huge scale we are seeing. I'm sure I'm not alone with that thought. You are of course completely correct that the need to solve the football problems are insignificant compared to the real and present danger facing both the country and the world as a whole. However, when we do emerge from the current nightmare of coronavirus a return to normality will ensue and as part of this a way forward for football will be required. Given the lengthy interruption we are likely to face I feel we need to accept that August 2021 is a realistic target for resetting the clock back to normal and a full 20/21 season may well be difficult to achieve. I suggest football would have two key objectives to achieve by that point. 1. Complete all outstanding 2019/20 fixtures. Although scrapping the current season would remove danger of relagation for us I feel 'natural justice' demands we complete and, much as it pains me, the likes of Liverpool and Leeds are rewarded. 2. Be ready for the start of season 2021/22. Whatever happens I can't see season 2020/21 starting on time so we need a radical one season only solution. A doomsday scenario would be that the coronavirus interruption lasts much longer than even our worst fears and we only have time to complete 19/20 and the outstanding Euros before 21/20 is upon us therefore we wipe out the 20/21 season. Hopefully this isn't the case but we are unlikely to be able to play a full 20/21 season so depending on how much time we do have we could either scrap the league and play an expanded two leg FA Cup, as in season 45/46 immediately after WWII. Or play a shortened league with teams playing each other once only. As most of agree football is rather unimportant at present but there will eventually be a resumption of normality and we will need a plan for what happens next.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 19, 2020 7:52:31 GMT
I think it's in the nature of this awful situation that there isn't an 'acceptable' solution in the sense of a solution which doesn't have bad consequences. You may well be right that fear of litigation comes into it, but sometimes such fear is absolutely justified, and sometimes the right targets for criticism are those who would bring the litigation, not those litigated against. Fair point Malcolm. I hope that what comes out of this is a cancellation of the season, people across the board being sensible. A passing down of finance to ensure everyone is safe and when we are over the worst of it all, everyone finally getting around the table to renew a much fairer system where TV and sponsorship money is distributed more evenly. It will never happen, but it doesn't stop me hoping. I apologise if I came across too strongly, but I feel really strongly about this and as much as a I love football, it really fades into the background for me whilst there are people worldwide losing their lives on the huge scale we are seeing. I'm sure I'm not alone with that thought. Completely agree. A big part of the problem with wealth distribution in football dates from the FA's decision in 1992 to set up the breakaway Premier League because of arguments it was having at the time with the Football League. Legally, it's actually still called the "FA Premier League", but the FA have long since lost control over distribution of its finances. And when Bill Shankly famously said that football is more important than life and death, he was of course very wrong ( I'm sure he didn't really mean it ).
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 19, 2020 8:02:49 GMT
Fair point Malcolm. I hope that what comes out of this is a cancellation of the season, people across the board being sensible. A passing down of finance to ensure everyone is safe and when we are over the worst of it all, everyone finally getting around the table to renew a much fairer system where TV and sponsorship money is distributed more evenly. It will never happen, but it doesn't stop me hoping. I apologise if I came across too strongly, but I feel really strongly about this and as much as a I love football, it really fades into the background for me whilst there are people worldwide losing their lives on the huge scale we are seeing. I'm sure I'm not alone with that thought. You are of course completely correct that the need to solve the football problems are insignificant compared to the real and present danger facing both the country and the world as a whole. However, when we do emerge from the current nightmare of coronavirus a return to normality will ensue and as part of this a way forward for football will be required. Given the lengthy interruption we are likely to face I feel we need to accept that August 2021 is a realistic target for resetting the clock back to normal and a full 20/21 season may well be difficult to achieve. I suggest football would have two key objectives to achieve by that point. 1. Complete all outstanding 2019/20 fixtures. Although scrapping the current season would remove danger of relagation for us I feel 'natural justice' demands we complete and, much as it pains me, the likes of Liverpool and Leeds are rewarded. 2. Be ready for the start of season 2021/22. Whatever happens I can't see season 2020/21 starting on time so we need a radical one season only solution. A doomsday scenario would be that the coronavirus interruption lasts much longer than even our worst fears and we only have time to complete 19/20 and the outstanding Euros before 21/20 is upon us therefore we wipe out the 20/21 season. Hopefully this isn't the case but we are unlikely to be able to play a full 20/21 season so depending on how much time we do have we could either scrap the league and play an expanded two leg FA Cup, as in season 45/46 immediately after WWII. Or play a shortened league with teams playing each other once only. As most of agree football is rather unimportant at present but there will eventually be a resumption of normality and we will need a plan for what happens next. Some interesting thoughts and speculation there, Veritas. When the situation does become clearer, we will need to ensure that the views of supporters on what should happen are properly canvassed and input into the decision-making processes (which of course so often is not the norm in football ! ). The FSA will be doing the first part of that if the football authorities don't. I hope that you and other stokies with ideas will contribute to that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 13:14:55 GMT
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Post by apb1 on Mar 19, 2020 13:22:46 GMT
What about us?
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Post by scfc1863 on Mar 19, 2020 13:47:32 GMT
I renewed my season tickets last week and I’m happy enough to leave my money sitting with the Club for as long as necessary, however I also paid for 3 tickets for Reading and haven’t heard anything on refunds. Does all the away ticket money go to Stoke? I could do with the cash back but I’ll leave it if it’s contributing to our Clubs finances. www.stokecityfc.com/news/2020/march/Ticket-update-for-postponed-matches/
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Post by bolders on Mar 19, 2020 19:26:47 GMT
Thank god there is some sport to watch with the AFL playing its games behind closed doors, wouldn't know what to do with out some kinda sport fix
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 19, 2020 21:04:03 GMT
The FSA fully supports the decision to extend the season and finish it, if at all possible, and we are glad that they haven't just adopted the Karren Brady solution of declaring the whole season void. Of course, this is such an unpredictable situation that it's impossible to say whether this will ultimately turn out to be feasible, and if so, exactly how ( e.g whether it will involve games behind closed doors but streamed). And there isn't a great deal of point in speculating/arguing too much about that at this stage. But our understanding is that there is unanimity within the football bodies that finishing the season one way or another is the clear objective.
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Post by mystokebadge on Mar 20, 2020 20:00:04 GMT
Football has got to be finished surely in Italy they love their football but with 600 dying today alone I would imagine that is the last of their worries. Also they cannot keep putting it back because a lot of players in the leagues contracts run out in I think June or July then it would become a complex situation.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 23, 2020 9:26:50 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 23, 2020 10:05:36 GMT
I think I’d take behind closed doors now tbh.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 23, 2020 12:28:49 GMT
I think I’d take behind closed doors now tbh. I can't see how it would work, there will still be teams needing to isolate etc so then thats more posponements and it would just keep going on and on, although Brady is doing it for selfish reasons I think shes right and the season need to be put down as write off, then spend the time how to figure out a financial package that will keep clubs going.
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