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Post by franklin66 on Mar 13, 2020 20:49:18 GMT
Same age same list. I do worry about the economic consequences of this panic it could have a cost the this and the next generation are going to have to fix. I just hope not too many people lose their jobs and homes etc. keep the people anxious and they'll agree to anything = manufactured consent Great documentary: I genuinely think the economic cost will outway any cost of life which will be more damaging in the long run. Pensions will take a massive hit if this crash continues and that effect will last for decades.
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Post by starkiller on Mar 13, 2020 20:53:22 GMT
I know it's just a long shot but if this virus did in fact escape from a Chinese lab would they compensate the rest of us. Yes I know its nuts but.. Been thinking that myself. Whether it came from a lab or some shit infested food market where they keep dead and live animals together, it does seem to originate from China. Could the rest of the world sue China? I doubt there is a mechanism to do so and China would tell us to bugger off, but you can bet that had it come from the UK we would already have the cheque book out offering compensation. China doesn't play by such rules.
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 13, 2020 20:55:22 GMT
Been thinking that myself. Whether it came from a lab or some shit infested food market where they keep dead and live animals together, it does seem to originate from China. Could the rest of the world sue China? I doubt there is a mechanism to do so and China would tell us to bugger off, but you can bet that had it come from the UK we would already have the cheque book out offering compensation. China doesn't play by such rules. That's true it truly is a rogue nation but is it time the rest of the world took action to educate and reform???
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Post by Goonie on Mar 13, 2020 21:15:03 GMT
keep the people anxious and they'll agree to anything = manufactured consent Great documentary: I genuinely think the economic cost will outway any cost of life which will be more damaging in the long run. Pensions will take a massive hit if this crash continues and that effect will last for decades. How convenient?
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 13, 2020 23:06:46 GMT
So far, in almost 54 years I have survived, and in no particular order: AIDS nuclear war The miners strike 70s and 80s The 3 day week The winter of discontent The OPEC oil crisis Over 40 years of IRA terrorism 20 years of Islamic terrorism The salmonella crisis The CJD beef crisis The 80s financial crash The 2000s financial crash Eating food off the floor The millennium bug Abduction by paedophiles as a child Global warming Political correctness Jimmy Saville #Me too Not washing my hands after being to the toilet Harvey Weinstein I suspect there is a pattern emerging regarding mass hysteria and moral panic I suspect you have an inflated sense of self-importance
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Post by Goonie on Mar 14, 2020 4:43:56 GMT
So far, in almost 54 years I have survived, and in no particular order: AIDS nuclear war The miners strike 70s and 80s The 3 day week The winter of discontent The OPEC oil crisis Over 40 years of IRA terrorism 20 years of Islamic terrorism The salmonella crisis The CJD beef crisis The 80s financial crash The 2000s financial crash Eating food off the floor The millennium bug Abduction by paedophiles as a child Global warming Political correctness Jimmy Saville #Me too Not washing my hands after being to the toilet Harvey Weinstein I suspect there is a pattern emerging regarding mass hysteria and moral panic I suspect you have an inflated sense of self-importance Quite the reverse. I am merely stating that all those 'crises' and moral panics were just that. The millennium bug was going to end civilisation as we knew it - the same for Brexit and now the Corona virus. It seems like mass hysteria to me and to assume I'm expressing this from the angle of self-importance is obtuse. Indeed to express anxiety about this virus is the height of paranoia, a self-defence mechanism born of fear and a sense that the virus is attacking 'me' out of conscious choice, that. I am merely stating the reverse in that I am so unimportant that I survived the hysteria driven events I've listed. To suggest otherwise infers a degree of assaninity on the interpreter of this.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 14, 2020 5:10:00 GMT
I suspect you have an inflated sense of self-importance Quite the reverse. I am merely stating that all those 'crises' and moral panics were just that. The millennium bug was going to end civilisation as we knew it - the same for Brexit and now the Corona virus. It seems like mass hysteria to me and to assume I'm expressing this from the angle of self-importance is obtuse. Indeed to express anxiety about this virus is the height of paranoia, a self-defence mechanism born of fear and a sense that the virus is attacking 'me' out of conscious choice, that. I am merely stating the reverse in that I am so unimportant that I survived the hysteria driven events I've listed. To suggest otherwise infers a degree of assaninity on the interpreter of this. You’ve listed a series of things that have disrupted, destroyed and ended the lives of millions of people over the last five decades, in the context of something that is going to disrupt, destroy and end the lives of thousands or millions of people this year. Your point is that because *you* have survived them, they can all be dismissed as hysteria or moral panic. I’ll be honest I find it quite grotesque in its self-importance. I know you probably didn’t mean it that way but I’m struggling to stay patient with this attitude at the moment.
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Post by Goonie on Mar 14, 2020 7:53:32 GMT
Quite the reverse. I am merely stating that all those 'crises' and moral panics were just that. The millennium bug was going to end civilisation as we knew it - the same for Brexit and now the Corona virus. It seems like mass hysteria to me and to assume I'm expressing this from the angle of self-importance is obtuse. Indeed to express anxiety about this virus is the height of paranoia, a self-defence mechanism born of fear and a sense that the virus is attacking 'me' out of conscious choice, that. I am merely stating the reverse in that I am so unimportant that I survived the hysteria driven events I've listed. To suggest otherwise infers a degree of assaninity on the interpreter of this. You’ve listed a series of things that have disrupted, destroyed and ended the lives of millions of people over the last five decades, in the context of something that is going to disrupt, destroy and end the lives of thousands or millions of people this year. Your point is that because *you* have survived them, they can all be dismissed as hysteria or moral panic. I’ll be honest I find it quite grotesque in its self-importance. I know you probably didn’t mean it that way but I’m struggling to stay patient with this attitude at the moment. Yep. Some of those things have, I agree been disasters - my point is this: It's the hysteria, the anxiety driven media, social media frenzy that implies we are all at risk: we aren't All the catastrophes I listed did not impact me as bad as the media whipped it up to be in a frenzy of fear, armageddon, end of days nonsense. Coronavirus will kill many, but my point is very few of us are at risk. I'm on about the exaggerated danger as opposed to the inherent risk I may well contract it and may die. As I am in a lower risk category I probably won't My target is the media and its exponential exaggeration of the risk in general and the public hysteria, panic buying, hoarding and excessive avoidance behaviours over it How many who have died may well of died because they had impaired breathing or immune systems? Would the flu have killed them anyway? People dying is sad but inevitable. I just think the public reaction, fuelled by the media is driven by unwarranted fear I am very unimportant: all the things I listed I survived was due to luck and odds. Same with this virus.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 14, 2020 8:25:51 GMT
If the World financial crisis was Labours fault is the Coronavirus the Torys fault...
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 14, 2020 9:01:10 GMT
You’ve listed a series of things that have disrupted, destroyed and ended the lives of millions of people over the last five decades, in the context of something that is going to disrupt, destroy and end the lives of thousands or millions of people this year. Your point is that because *you* have survived them, they can all be dismissed as hysteria or moral panic. I’ll be honest I find it quite grotesque in its self-importance. I know you probably didn’t mean it that way but I’m struggling to stay patient with this attitude at the moment. Yep. Some of those things have, I agree been disasters - my point is this: It's the hysteria, the anxiety driven media, social media frenzy that implies we are all at risk: we aren't All the catastrophes I listed did not impact me as bad as the media whipped it up to be in a frenzy of fear, armageddon, end of days nonsense. Coronavirus will kill many, but my point is very few of us are at risk. I'm on about the exaggerated danger as opposed to the inherent risk I may well contract it and may die. As I am in a lower risk category I probably won't My target is the media and its exponential exaggeration of the risk in general and the public hysteria, panic buying, hoarding and excessive avoidance behaviours over it How many who have died may well of died because they had impaired breathing or immune systems? Would the flu have killed them anyway? People dying is sad but inevitable. I just think the public reaction, fuelled by the media is driven by unwarranted fear I am very unimportant: all the things I listed I survived was due to luck and odds. Same with this virus. This is why I keep most of my posts short because people miss your point and make something of it that was never meant. I got it...👍
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 14, 2020 9:10:22 GMT
keep the people anxious and they'll agree to anything = manufactured consent Great documentary: I genuinely think the economic cost will outway any cost of life which will be more damaging in the long run. Pensions will take a massive hit if this crash continues and that effect will last for decades. Yeah, but just think of all the pension outlay that we will save...
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 14, 2020 9:11:46 GMT
I genuinely think the economic cost will outway any cost of life which will be more damaging in the long run. Pensions will take a massive hit if this crash continues and that effect will last for decades. Yeah, but just think of all the pension outlay that we will save... I know it the uk its saved what 11 🙄 of which 9 were already drawing their pension for some time.
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Post by richie22 on Mar 14, 2020 9:33:05 GMT
My Scotish widows pension has dropped just over £2000 since monday 2/3 . Good going, I froze it in a control account last week can’t understand why it’s still dropping ...
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 14, 2020 10:24:37 GMT
You’ve listed a series of things that have disrupted, destroyed and ended the lives of millions of people over the last five decades, in the context of something that is going to disrupt, destroy and end the lives of thousands or millions of people this year. Your point is that because *you* have survived them, they can all be dismissed as hysteria or moral panic. I’ll be honest I find it quite grotesque in its self-importance. I know you probably didn’t mean it that way but I’m struggling to stay patient with this attitude at the moment. Yep. Some of those things have, I agree been disasters - my point is this: It's the hysteria, the anxiety driven media, social media frenzy that implies we are all at risk: we aren't All the catastrophes I listed did not impact me as bad as the media whipped it up to be in a frenzy of fear, armageddon, end of days nonsense. Coronavirus will kill many, but my point is very few of us are at risk. I'm on about the exaggerated danger as opposed to the inherent risk I may well contract it and may die. As I am in a lower risk category I probably won't My target is the media and its exponential exaggeration of the risk in general and the public hysteria, panic buying, hoarding and excessive avoidance behaviours over it How many who have died may well of died because they had impaired breathing or immune systems? Would the flu have killed them anyway? People dying is sad but inevitable. I just think the public reaction, fuelled by the media is driven by unwarranted fear I am very unimportant: all the things I listed I survived was due to luck and odds. Same with this virus. What you should have done was lock yourself in a room and punish yourself in unimaginable ways so that you can say you have suffered...otherwise you have no right to make such comments.😉
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 17:30:57 GMT
It is surprising how quickly people look toward traditionally socialist policies when their personal health/wealth/wellbeing is under threat.
Healthcare for all, Worker's rights Sick pay Welfare Poor standards of zero hours contracts Rent & mortgage forgiveness End of evictions price control on vital goods and services.
Will be a very interesting few decades politically when(if, hopefully) this blows over.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2020 17:53:53 GMT
It is surprising how quickly people look toward traditionally socialist policies when their personal health/wealth/wellbeing is under threat. Healthcare for all, Worker's rights Sick pay Welfare Poor standards of zero hours contracts Rent & mortgage forgiveness End of evictions price control on vital goods and services. Will be a very interesting few decades politically when(if, hopefully) this blows over. Change is coming
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 17:57:21 GMT
It is surprising how quickly people look toward traditionally socialist policies when their personal health/wealth/wellbeing is under threat. Healthcare for all, Worker's rights Sick pay Welfare Poor standards of zero hours contracts Rent & mortgage forgiveness End of evictions price control on vital goods and services. Will be a very interesting few decades politically when(if, hopefully) this blows over. Change is coming Well I hope so, I think the response in the USA is terrifying, and directly to do with the structure of aggressive capitalism
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2020 18:20:54 GMT
Change is coming Well I hope so, I think the response in the USA is terrifying, and directly to do with the structure of aggressive capitalism Ironically in response to a pandemic virus that originated most likely from medieval practises of slaughtering animals in the streets in a communist country give me capitalism every time, strange how many of these "diseases" come from The Peoples Republic of China I wonder if Huddy still thinks change is coming ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 18:54:27 GMT
Well I hope so, I think the response in the USA is terrifying, and directly to do with the structure of aggressive capitalism Ironically in response to a pandemic virus that originated most likely from medieval practises of slaughtering animals in the streets in a communist country give me capitalism every time, strange how many of these "diseases" come from The Peoples Republic of China I wonder if Huddy still thinks change is coming ? 1. it is believed to likely have come from a seafood market. Don't think that is very medieval or in fact very communist, do you? [CDC report] 2. How many have come from China? SARS being the only other one I can think of, and those who eat the wild meats in question tend to be those who have become very rich by exploiting the market, nothing to do with 'communism'.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2020 19:01:18 GMT
Ironically in response to a pandemic virus that originated most likely from medieval practises of slaughtering animals in the streets in a communist country give me capitalism every time, strange how many of these "diseases" come from The Peoples Republic of China I wonder if Huddy still thinks change is coming ? 1. it is believed to likely have come from a seafood market. Don't think that is very medieval or in fact very communist, do you? [CDC report] 2. How many have come from China? SARS being the only other one I can think of, and those who eat the wild meats in question tend to be those who have become very rich by exploiting the market, nothing to do with 'communism'. Do bats swim
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 14, 2020 19:01:20 GMT
It is surprising how quickly people look toward traditionally socialist policies when their personal health/wealth/wellbeing is under threat. Healthcare for all, Worker's rights Sick pay Welfare Poor standards of zero hours contracts Rent & mortgage forgiveness End of evictions price control on vital goods and services. Will be a very interesting few decades politically when(if, hopefully) this blows over. ❤️ U Fraise. You’re like the Jerry Adams to our IRA💣🧨🔫💋
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 14, 2020 19:02:37 GMT
Interesting report by National Geographic published in 2014 that points the finger at China for the 50million killed by Spanish Flu.
Food for thought.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 19:07:13 GMT
1. it is believed to likely have come from a seafood market. Don't think that is very medieval or in fact very communist, do you? [CDC report] 2. How many have come from China? SARS being the only other one I can think of, and those who eat the wild meats in question tend to be those who have become very rich by exploiting the market, nothing to do with 'communism'. Do bats swim 'The origins of SARS-COV-2 could possibly be from bats, sold at a seafood market illegally in Wuhan, China, but this is far from certain.' - Guardian article debunking myths about the virus. Funny enough, we have a lot of illegal markets here too, in our fantastic capitalist wonderland.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2020 19:14:01 GMT
Interesting report by National Geographic published in 2014 that points the finger at China for the 50million killed by Spanish Flu. Food for thought. A recent report from the media and "experts" not my work copied from the net.
Global cases have risen above 17,450, higher than the total recorded cases of the SARS virus that killed some 800 people in 2002 and 2003.
Although scientists stress the animal source of the recent outbreak in China is yet to be officially declared, experts have confirmed a wholesale animal market in Wuhan city is to blame.
A menagerie of live animals including koalas, rats and wolf pups were available at the Huanan Seafood Market in central Wuhan - the outbreak's epicentre.
While most research has pointed towards bats, research at Peking University implicated snakes as the most likely 'reservoir' of the rapidly spreading virus.
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 14, 2020 19:16:13 GMT
Interesting report by National Geographic published in 2014 that points the finger at China for the 50million killed by Spanish Flu. Food for thought. A recent report from the media and "experts" not my work copied from the net.
Global cases have risen above 17,450, higher than the total recorded cases of the SARS virus that killed some 800 people in 2002 and 2003.
Although scientists stress the animal source of the recent outbreak in China is yet to be officially declared, experts have confirmed a wholesale animal market in Wuhan city is to blame.
A menagerie of live animals including koalas, rats and wolf pups were available at the Huanan Seafood Market in central Wuhan - the outbreak's epicentre.
While most research has pointed towards bats, research at Peking University implicated snakes as the most likely 'reservoir' of the rapidly spreading virus.
Well well they do seem to be responsible for a fair proportion of pandemics.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2020 19:21:03 GMT
Do bats swim 'The origins of SARS-COV-2 could possibly be from bats, sold at a seafood market illegally in Wuhan, China, but this is far from certain.' - Guardian article debunking myths about the virus. Funny enough, we have a lot of illegal markets here too, in our fantastic capitalist wonderland. I have never seen live animals available for immediate slaughter to order in the UK have you ? come get your live soon to be dead wolf pups, kola bears, bats, rats here at the "seafood market " funny fucking fish.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2020 19:26:08 GMT
Interesting report by National Geographic published in 2014 that points the finger at China for the 50million killed by Spanish Flu. Food for thought. As did Asian flu 1957, Hong Kong Flu of 1968
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 19:27:43 GMT
'The origins of SARS-COV-2 could possibly be from bats, sold at a seafood market illegally in Wuhan, China, but this is far from certain.' - Guardian article debunking myths about the virus. Funny enough, we have a lot of illegal markets here too, in our fantastic capitalist wonderland. I have never seen live animals available for immediate slaughter to order in the UK have you ? come get your live soon to be dead wolf pups, kola bears, bats, rats here at the "seafood market " funny fucking fish. Yep, we definitely don't kill and sell animals here in the UK. You'd never ever see a lobster boiled to death in a restaurant for example. We also definitely don't have abattoirs, or slaughterers who can come and kill farm animals for you. There are plenty of real issues you could really come at me with socialism and communism, but you decide instead to comment on how 'look how communist China is making all these diseases in its distinctly capitalist markets.'
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 14, 2020 19:32:54 GMT
I have never seen live animals available for immediate slaughter to order in the UK have you ? come get your live soon to be dead wolf pups, kola bears, bats, rats here at the "seafood market " funny fucking fish. Yep, we definitely don't kill and sell animals here in the UK. You'd never ever see a lobster boiled to death in a restaurant for example. We also definitely don't have abattoirs, or slaughterers who can come and kill farm animals for you. There are plenty of real issues you could really come at me with socialism and communism, but you decide instead to comment on how 'look how communist China is making all these diseases in its distinctly capitalist markets.' Not really the same is it, I'm pretty sure Doris at Tunstall market has never chopped the head off a live animal and bagged it up for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 19:35:11 GMT
Yep, we definitely don't kill and sell animals here in the UK. You'd never ever see a lobster boiled to death in a restaurant for example. We also definitely don't have abattoirs, or slaughterers who can come and kill farm animals for you. There are plenty of real issues you could really come at me with socialism and communism, but you decide instead to comment on how 'look how communist China is making all these diseases in its distinctly capitalist markets.' Not really the same is it, I'm pretty sure Doris at Tunstall market has never chopped the head off a live animal and bagged it up for me. Well they literally boil lobsters alive in restaurants? and why is that different to feeding them into a mincer a few days before they're sold in an abattoir?
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