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Post by mowlee on Mar 9, 2020 20:22:38 GMT
Was the formation 4-1-4-1 v Hull
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 9, 2020 20:36:30 GMT
Apparently so. Incidentally, MON has just said this in the ongoing fans' forum: *****************************
Michael, are you getting there with the system you want?
MON: I believe we have the players to play 4-3-3, but we’ve had to improvise a little bit, like with Nick Powell, but his response has been really positive.
Playing with him as a number 10 can leave you a bit vulnerable at times, like at QPR, so you have to tweak it.
We will sign players and build a squad to play in that system because you have to have a team that has to be 50-50 in possession, if not more than that, and we want a team that’s dominant in possession and capable of scoring goals.
We’ve shown we can score goals and another key thing is speed and running power in the team with attacking full backs, so there’s all areas where we are looking to improve.
***********************Fookin 433, I wish it would piss off from modern football. Bollocks rigid anti-creative formation  |
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Mar 9, 2020 20:52:55 GMT
Apparently so. Incidentally, MON has just said this in the ongoing fans' forum: *****************************
Michael, are you getting there with the system you want?
MON: I believe we have the players to play 4-3-3, but we’ve had to improvise a little bit, like with Nick Powell, but his response has been really positive.
Playing with him as a number 10 can leave you a bit vulnerable at times, like at QPR, so you have to tweak it.
We will sign players and build a squad to play in that system because you have to have a team that has to be 50-50 in possession, if not more than that, and we want a team that’s dominant in possession and capable of scoring goals.
We’ve shown we can score goals and another key thing is speed and running power in the team with attacking full backs, so there’s all areas where we are looking to improve.
***********************Fookin 433, I wish it would piss off from modern football. Bollocks rigid anti-creative formation Don't Liverpool play it? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2020 20:53:31 GMT
Was the formation 4-1-4-1 v Hull Yes. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 9, 2020 20:55:41 GMT
Apparently so. Incidentally, MON has just said this in the ongoing fans' forum: *****************************
Michael, are you getting there with the system you want?
MON: I believe we have the players to play 4-3-3, but we’ve had to improvise a little bit, like with Nick Powell, but his response has been really positive.
Playing with him as a number 10 can leave you a bit vulnerable at times, like at QPR, so you have to tweak it.
We will sign players and build a squad to play in that system because you have to have a team that has to be 50-50 in possession, if not more than that, and we want a team that’s dominant in possession and capable of scoring goals.
We’ve shown we can score goals and another key thing is speed and running power in the team with attacking full backs, so there’s all areas where we are looking to improve.
***********************Fookin 433, I wish it would piss off from modern football. Bollocks rigid anti-creative formation Have you still got a soft spot for the 235 formation they played in the 60s?  |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 9, 2020 20:56:45 GMT
Apparently so. Incidentally, MON has just said this in the ongoing fans' forum: *****************************
Michael, are you getting there with the system you want?
MON: I believe we have the players to play 4-3-3, but we’ve had to improvise a little bit, like with Nick Powell, but his response has been really positive.
Playing with him as a number 10 can leave you a bit vulnerable at times, like at QPR, so you have to tweak it.
We will sign players and build a squad to play in that system because you have to have a team that has to be 50-50 in possession, if not more than that, and we want a team that’s dominant in possession and capable of scoring goals.
We’ve shown we can score goals and another key thing is speed and running power in the team with attacking full backs, so there’s all areas where we are looking to improve.
***********************Fookin 433, I wish it would piss off from modern football. Bollocks rigid anti-creative formation Don't Liverpool play it? All pressing and running though innit. It's modern-day Pulis football  |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 9, 2020 20:57:56 GMT
Apparently so. Incidentally, MON has just said this in the ongoing fans' forum: *****************************
Michael, are you getting there with the system you want?
MON: I believe we have the players to play 4-3-3, but we’ve had to improvise a little bit, like with Nick Powell, but his response has been really positive.
Playing with him as a number 10 can leave you a bit vulnerable at times, like at QPR, so you have to tweak it.
We will sign players and build a squad to play in that system because you have to have a team that has to be 50-50 in possession, if not more than that, and we want a team that’s dominant in possession and capable of scoring goals.
We’ve shown we can score goals and another key thing is speed and running power in the team with attacking full backs, so there’s all areas where we are looking to improve.
***********************Fookin 433, I wish it would piss off from modern football. Bollocks rigid anti-creative formation Have you still got a soft spot for the 235 formation they played in the 60s? 2? How many defenders do you want?? |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 9, 2020 20:59:58 GMT
Have you still got a soft spot for the 235 formation they played in the 60s? 2? How many defenders do you want?? 2 full backs and a good centre half is all any team needs!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 21:34:02 GMT
It was play where you want lads this is a pisser hull are wank
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Post by Veritas on Mar 10, 2020 7:58:10 GMT
Apparently so. Incidentally, MON has just said this in the ongoing fans' forum: *****************************
Michael, are you getting there with the system you want?
MON: I believe we have the players to play 4-3-3, but we’ve had to improvise a little bit, like with Nick Powell, but his response has been really positive.
Playing with him as a number 10 can leave you a bit vulnerable at times, like at QPR, so you have to tweak it.
We will sign players and build a squad to play in that system because you have to have a team that has to be 50-50 in possession, if not more than that, and we want a team that’s dominant in possession and capable of scoring goals.
We’ve shown we can score goals and another key thing is speed and running power in the team with attacking full backs, so there’s all areas where we are looking to improve.
***********************Fookin 433, I wish it would piss off from modern football. Bollocks rigid anti-creative formation Have you still got a soft spot for the 235 formation they played in the 60s? Alf Ramsay played 433 to win the world cup! |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 10, 2020 8:52:33 GMT
Have you still got a soft spot for the 235 formation they played in the 60s? Alf Ramsay played 433 to win the world cup! Yes, the wingless wonders! That was probably the push that was needed to eliminate 235 and from then on, 433 and 442 both became more popular. Only a minority (like TP) are still wedded to 442 though |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 10, 2020 13:06:17 GMT
Looked like 4123 to me with Thompson the sitting midfielder.
I don't have a problem with 433 when the front three tuck in and the attacking width is provided by the fullbacks (like Liverpool) but the version we played under Rowett had 2 of the front three hugging the touchline like traditional wingers leaving the central striker isolated.
This season is by necessity a bit make do - we won't see O'Neils take on 433 until next season - or maybe get a sneak preview in the last couple of games if we get safe.
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 10, 2020 13:15:39 GMT
Looked like 4123 to me with Thompson the sitting midfielder. I don't have a problem with 433 when the front three tuck in and the attacking width is provided by the fullbacks (like Liverpool) but the version we played under Rowett had 2 of the front three hugging the touchline like traditional wingers leaving the central striker isolated. This season is by necessity a bit make do - we won't see O'Neils take on 433 until next season - or maybe get a sneak preview in the last couple of games if we get safe. When we've been at our best in recent weeks a key feature has been Allen and Clucas winning the second balls high up the pitch, so they are also up in support and starting off moves. If that but fails much of the rest can. With any formation it's all about how you play it more than the formation in and of itself. They can all look shit done wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 13:21:29 GMT
I think it was a 4-3-3 tbh, but O'Neill's 4-3-3 is pretty much the same as a 4-1-4-1 anyways as far as I can tell.
There's nothing wrong with 4-3-3 at all, didn't the dutch have some success with it? 4 defenders, 3 central midfielders to dominate the centre of the pitch and when you're attacking three forwards... Sounds alright to me.
It's like any formation, the tactics matter far more.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 11, 2020 13:39:49 GMT
Looked like 4123 to me with Thompson the sitting midfielder. I don't have a problem with 433 when the front three tuck in and the attacking width is provided by the fullbacks (like Liverpool) but the version we played under Rowett had 2 of the front three hugging the touchline like traditional wingers leaving the central striker isolated. This season is by necessity a bit make do - we won't see O'Neils take on 433 until next season - or maybe get a sneak preview in the last couple of games if we get safe. When we've been at our best in recent weeks a key feature has been Allen and Clucas winning the second balls high up the pitch, so they are also up in support and starting off moves. If that but fails much of the rest can. With any formation it's all about how you play it more than the formation in and of itself. They can all look shit done wrong. Agreed - and that's what I meant by 4123 with Clucas and Allen as the advanced 2 in midfield. I thought Thompson was sitting too deep to describe the formation as 433 and generally Powell and Ince were in front of the midfield 2. Also agree it's more to do with playing the formation well rather than the formation itself - it's all about the players being suited to their roles and everyone knowing what they're doing. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2020 14:56:34 GMT
Clucas and Powell were swapping around a lot too which worked really well.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 11, 2020 15:15:18 GMT
Hmm, if the two wingers next season are going to be McClean and Ince, we still won't score enough goals and we won't have enough pace. And what would be the make up of the midfield three? Who will be the DM and where does this then leave the triumvirate of Powell, Allen and Clucas if they're vying for two spots? MON seems quite rooted to the system but we certainly don't have the players to play it with any degree of success. A new left back will help and Collins will definitely need to come in at centre back. I hope and pray we can get a new winger in to add real pace and goals. Ince really isn't up to it. I don't want to see Powell stuck out on the left but maybe left or right side of the attack is where he'll end up.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 11, 2020 16:08:34 GMT
Hmm, if the two wingers next season are going to be McClean and Ince, we still won't score enough goals and we won't have enough pace. And what would be the make up of the midfield three? Who will be the DM and where does this then leave the triumvirate of Powell, Allen and Clucas if they're vying for two spots? MON seems quite rooted to the system but we certainly don't have the players to play it with any degree of success. A new left back will help and Collins will definitely need to come in at centre back. I hope and pray we can get a new winger in to add real pace and goals. Ince really isn't up to it. I don't want to see Powell stuck out on the left but maybe left or right side of the attack is where he'll end up. Will O'Neil's 433 require traditional wingers or will the width be provided by the fullbacks? If so Ince and Powell could invert in a front 3 which would leave McClean as the more old school winger as the most at risk. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 11, 2020 16:30:44 GMT
I agree to a point, but Ince overs no pace and although Powell isn't slow, he's not rapid. McClean has some pace and power but no trickery. That's why I'd love us to sign another winger, a real speed merchant who can offer the outlet we so often lack. A bit like Eze at QPR!!!!! The new left back has to be quick too to give us that point of difference where it doesn't currently exist.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 11, 2020 17:59:25 GMT
I agree to a point, but Ince overs no pace and although Powell isn't slow, he's not rapid. McClean has some pace and power but no trickery. That's why I'd love us to sign another winger, a real speed merchant who can offer the outlet we so often lack. A bit like Eze at QPR!!!!! The new left back has to be quick too to give us that point of difference where it doesn't currently exist. Despite being limited I really like McClean and if the rest of the squad had his fighting spirit we wouldn't be in a relegation dog fight. However the point I'm making is that O'Neil's 433 might not require wingers - the front 3 may be expected to play more centrally where guile, speed of thought and a quick short passing game are more important than out and out pace. Ince and Powell playing left and right respectively might be a decent option as the tucked in wide men in a front three - and probbaly a better bet than McClean. If that's how O'Neil wants to setup we may not need quick wingers - the speed merchants would be the fullbacks and the box to box midfield 3 (or 2 if he plays a sitting midfielder - which is what he's tended to do). On the other hand if he goes 4141 then I'd agree we'd need a couple of pacey more traditional wingers. |
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Post by adi on Mar 11, 2020 18:50:59 GMT
All pressing and running though innit. It's modern-day Pulis football Works though.... |
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