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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 11:37:42 GMT
Kav couldn't leave quick enough when Cardiff came in for him. He was close to going to Wimbledon previously That simply isn't true. Kav did not want to leave. I knew Kav and Clive Clarke. Went to the races with them and a few mutual friends more than once but ok. Kav was desperate to go to Wimbledon as said we the reason he wasn't getting a ROI call up. His words not mine.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 8, 2020 11:49:32 GMT
That simply isn't true. Kav did not want to leave. I knew Kav and Clive Clarke. Used to go to the races with them and a few mutual friends but ok. Kav was desperate to go to Wimbledon One of my best friends was his neighbour and remains friends with him. I spoke to him myself on numerous occasions and he's been interviewed about his departure by the guys from duck magazine. The story of his departure is consistent in all 3. Kav did not want to leave and was forced out. When he did leave, he didn't want to go to cardiff. He thought he was going to a premier league or top championship club. I forget who it was but it wasn't Wimbledon. We practically forced the move to cardiff because they were giving us the most money.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 12:04:07 GMT
He had spoken to Wimbledon and Clarke was on the brink of joining Sheff Utd the same week.are you suggesting he made it up ? I agree he wanted a bigger club than Wimbledon but wasn't good enough, personally never liked Kavanagh, I know where he lived etc have mentioned on here before. He actually called me ( or asked through someone else) for tickets for a few different things over the years but didn't reply to tell you the truth as had no time for him. Clarke I caught up with after he left Amazing how players are forced out when talking to fans but their agents banding them about to bigger clubs at their request. Clarke turned down Sheff U and Wimbledon bought someone else.
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 8, 2020 12:58:04 GMT
First thought was Huth, then Hoefkens. N'Zonzi, Arnie and Shaq would have been great to keep but it was out of our hands "...out of our hands". I agree, but what can we do to prevent the desire to get away? Not being facetious but: import sun, cash, or other? What can we do to keep the good players we identify, get....and then can't hold on to? I think its about ambition and progression in the club generally. All 3 of those players improved in their time here and who can blame them (having no natural affinity for Stoke) to want to move on to bigger clubs. N Zonzi has won the Europa League since he left, Shaq looks a shoe in for Premiership title. If Stoke had progressed to become a huge club (Euro football most seasons, cups) then I think they would generally still be here. There'll always be the lure of the huge club (Barcelona etc) which we can't compete with, but by in large, a club that matches the players own ambition will keep a lot more players
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Post by eddy on Mar 8, 2020 13:03:13 GMT
"...out of our hands". I agree, but what can we do to prevent the desire to get away? Not being facetious but: import sun, cash, or other? What can we do to keep the good players we identify, get....and then can't hold on to? I think its about ambition and progression in the club generally. All 3 of those players improved in their time here and who can blame them (having no natural affinity for Stoke) to want to move on to bigger clubs. N Zonzi has won the Europa League since he left, Shaq looks a shoe in for Premiership title. If Stoke had progressed to become a huge club (Euro football most seasons, cups) then I think they would generally still be here. There'll always be the lure of the huge club (Barcelona etc) which we can't compete with, but by in large, a club that matches the players own ambition will keep a lot more players N’Zonzi won more than just the Europa league mate. He grabbed one of those little ‘World Cup’ things as well. Played in the final.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 8, 2020 13:05:12 GMT
Peter Thorne.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 8, 2020 13:46:21 GMT
Greenhoff
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 8, 2020 13:52:55 GMT
Now Allen is fucked, Etebo being around would be pretty handy..
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Post by nott1 on Mar 8, 2020 15:40:43 GMT
Erik Pieters, far better than Indi!
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 8, 2020 15:45:45 GMT
Most of my picks of who should have stayed, are quite recent, and quite clearly show why we went from a comfortable prem team to spiralling down the leagues ending up with more than 1 or 2 pricks playing for us.
Huth >>> Absolutely moronic to split him and Shawcross up.
Bojan >>> Treated despicably by thick as fuck managers. We would not be in the mess we are if he'd been played properly. I'll never, ever forgive the club for his departure.
Pieters >>> 1 effing million to Burnley when we had no one else ffs
Bardsley >>> Same. We had no one better and despite being not amazing, he was tough and had the right attitude
Lee Grant >>> Would have been good competition for Butland
N'Zonzi >>> Before anyone tells me he was a mard arse, only one year left etc... I personally would have not sold him and let him go for free the year after, just to get the crucial extra 12 months out of him. We were just about to reach our peak. Could you imagine if he had stayed the following season? Arnie, Bojan, Shaq and Zonno in midfield?Fuck me that would have been insane. Silverware would have been ours. Still think we undersold him too. Players go for much more with only 12 months left on a contract. Afterall, we bought Saido for only £12m with 6 months left on his.
Players like Stein etc... Didn't want them to go at all, but we needed the money as we weren't the club we are now. The above we let go when we were minted.
Perhaps when Shtaniuk and Hoekstra left i was a little gutted too.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 8, 2020 19:29:05 GMT
Tony Kelly (the tubby talented one). Mills moved him on after one season because he was problematic. Turned out to be the beginning of the end for Mick, who then spent the next two years bemoaning the lack of a playmaker.
Robbie Earle Carl Saunders Wayne Biggins (the first time) Tuncay Huth Lee Sandford Mike Sheron
I wouldn’t include the likes of Beagrie, Bould, N’Zonzi, or Shaq because they went to bigger clubs and enhanced their careers. I was thinking more along the lines of players we sold or gave away to “peer” clubs and lived to regret it.
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Post by Simon Drainrod on Mar 9, 2020 10:34:16 GMT
Tony Kelly (the tubby talented one). Mills moved him on after one season because he was problematic. Turned out to be the beginning of the end for Mick, who then spent the next two years bemoaning the lack of a playmaker. Robbie Earle Carl Saunders Wayne Biggins (the first time) Tuncay Huth Lee Sandford Mike Sheron I wouldn’t include the likes of Beagrie, Bould, N’Zonzi, or Shaq because they went to bigger clubs and enhanced their careers. I was thinking more along the lines of players we sold or gave away to “peer” clubs and lived to regret it. Robbie Earle played for Stoke?
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Post by AlliG on Mar 9, 2020 12:26:40 GMT
Tony Kelly (the tubby talented one). Mills moved him on after one season because he was problematic. Turned out to be the beginning of the end for Mick, who then spent the next two years bemoaning the lack of a playmaker. Robbie Earle Carl Saunders Wayne Biggins (the first time) Tuncay Huth Lee Sandford Mike Sheron I wouldn’t include the likes of Beagrie, Bould, N’Zonzi, or Shaq because they went to bigger clubs and enhanced their careers. I was thinking more along the lines of players we sold or gave away to “peer” clubs and lived to regret it. Robbie Earle played for Stoke? He was a schoolboy at Stoke but broke his leg and was released.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 9, 2020 13:22:25 GMT
Selling Sir Stan, cost us the Title.
Selling Jimmy G was the start of our downfall.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 13:43:11 GMT
Has to be Pieters right now, we're crying out for a left back and we swapped a Premier League one for a crocked Ward... Not great business.
Was annoying because Pieters to be fair couldn't play in Jones' system, at the time it seemed sensible, however clearly no one could play in that system as it was a fucking rotten one.
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Post by ihaveadream on Mar 9, 2020 14:04:45 GMT
Greenhoff and Hudson.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 9, 2020 14:16:02 GMT
Robbie Earle played for Stoke? He was a schoolboy at Stoke but broke his leg and was released. Did we have Mark Bright as well ?
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Post by AlliG on Mar 9, 2020 14:20:34 GMT
He was a schoolboy at Stoke but broke his leg and was released. Did we have Mark Bright as well ? Don't think so. I think Mark Bright went through the Vale youth system.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 9, 2020 14:33:07 GMT
"...out of our hands". I agree, but what can we do to prevent the desire to get away? Not being facetious but: import sun, cash, or other? What can we do to keep the good players we identify, get....and then can't hold on to? I think its about ambition and progression in the club generally. All 3 of those players improved in their time here and who can blame them (having no natural affinity for Stoke) to want to move on to bigger clubs. N Zonzi has won the Europa League since he left, Shaq looks a shoe in for Premiership title. If Stoke had progressed to become a huge club (Euro football most seasons, cups) then I think they would generally still be here. There'll always be the lure of the huge club (Barcelona etc) which we can't compete with, but by in large, a club that matches the players own ambition will keep a lot more players You're taking the piss about Shaq surely
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 9, 2020 14:49:20 GMT
The sales of Matthews and Ritchie are the biggest mistakes of my lifetime - although I was too young to remember the Matthews sale. I also think we should have buried the hatchet with Franklin when he came back from Bogota - he was comfortably the best cb in England (possibly the world) before his ill fated trip to Colombia. In recent years letting Bardsley go was madness and that is not hindsight - I thought it at the time. I also think Eustace went on to have a very decent career after we let him go thinking that his injuries meant he was finished. I thought Eustace was the best player we had seen in years until his injury saga. SJE, one of my favourite ever players. I agree, mad that he played more games at that level after us than he did before, considering we all basically thought injuries had finished him when he left. Does make you wonder what he could have achieved with us in the Prem without that bad injury.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 9, 2020 15:23:53 GMT
The sales of Matthews and Ritchie are the biggest mistakes of my lifetime - although I was too young to remember the Matthews sale. I also think we should have buried the hatchet with Franklin when he came back from Bogota - he was comfortably the best cb in England (possibly the world) before his ill fated trip to Colombia. In recent years letting Bardsley go was madness and that is not hindsight - I thought it at the time. I also think Eustace went on to have a very decent career after we let him go thinking that his injuries meant he was finished. I thought Eustace was the best player we had seen in years until his injury saga. SJE, one of my favourite ever players. I agree, mad that he played more games at that level after us than he did before, considering we all basically thought injuries had finished him when he left. Does make you wonder what he could have achieved with us in the Prem without that bad injury. I think one of the problems with Eustace was that we sent him to Hereford on loan to get fit. Their fans raved about him but they were (I think) League 2 at the time and TP probably thought the fact that he shone at such a lowly level didn't mean much. Whatever the reason, TP never seemed to regain confidence in him when he came back. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry over the next 6 years when he got rave reviews at Watford. I was delighted for him but gutted for us and what might have been.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 9, 2020 15:50:32 GMT
Arnie... What a player he was. It all started to go wrong when his brother/agent or whoever's is was started to pimp him around. You can call him mardy, arrogant, moody or what ever else springs to mind. But he was a very good player. Unbelievable first touch
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 9, 2020 15:53:58 GMT
First thought was Huth, then Hoefkens. N'Zonzi, Arnie and Shaq would have been great to keep but it was out of our hands "...out of our hands". I agree, but what can we do to prevent the desire to get away? Not being facetious but: import sun, cash, or other? What can we do to keep the good players we identify, get....and then can't hold on to? In N'zonzi's case qualify for the champions league.
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Post by lordb on Mar 9, 2020 15:55:13 GMT
I knew Kav and Clive Clarke. Used to go to the races with them and a few mutual friends but ok. Kav was desperate to go to Wimbledon One of my best friends was his neighbour and remains friends with him. I spoke to him myself on numerous occasions and he's been interviewed about his departure by the guys from duck magazine. The story of his departure is consistent in all 3. Kav did not want to leave and was forced out. When he did leave, he didn't want to go to cardiff. He thought he was going to a premier league or top championship club. I forget who it was but it wasn't Wimbledon. We practically forced the move to cardiff because they were giving us the most money. Man City Hence his quotes at the time about City being a bigger club than Stoke
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Post by lordb on Mar 9, 2020 15:55:48 GMT
That Matthews might have been worth keeping
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 16:25:08 GMT
That Matthews might have been worth keeping Nah we got out at the right time, bloke was about 32 so pretty much retired as a footballer by that age.
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Post by Goonie on Mar 9, 2020 16:30:59 GMT
Berahino Imbula
Yes I am joking 🤣😉
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Post by nott1 on Mar 9, 2020 17:39:18 GMT
That Matthews might have been worth keeping Nah we got out at the right time, bloke was about 32 so pretty much retired as a footballer by that age. But still masterful at 50.
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