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Post by jestershat on Mar 7, 2020 19:00:23 GMT
A couple of names on the board today (Bardsley, Hogan) that had me thinking......over the years who have we released/sold (got shut of?) that in retrospect turned out to be (apparently) a bad decision? I recall going to the Vic with my dad and seeing John Ritchie score against us for Sheff. Wed. Can you think of any others?
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Post by walrus on Mar 7, 2020 19:49:58 GMT
Huth
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Post by walrus on Mar 7, 2020 19:50:53 GMT
As well as Hogan’s done at Birmingham I don’t mind that we shifted him on it it allows Tyrese to come to the fore.
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 7, 2020 19:57:05 GMT
First thought was Huth, then Hoefkens.
N'Zonzi, Arnie and Shaq would have been great to keep but it was out of our hands
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Post by jestershat on Mar 7, 2020 19:57:55 GMT
Good shout. In response to your second point re Hogan.......could we have used both of them (TC nd Hogan)?
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Post by boothenender on Mar 7, 2020 19:57:56 GMT
Arnie... What a player he was. It all started to go wrong when his brother/agent or whoever's is was started to pimp him around. You can call him mardy, arrogant, moody or what ever else springs to mind. But he was a very good player.
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Post by jestershat on Mar 7, 2020 20:02:22 GMT
First thought was Huth, then Hoefkens. N'Zonzi, Arnie and Shaq would have been great to keep but it was out of our hands "...out of our hands". I agree, but what can we do to prevent the desire to get away? Not being facetious but: import sun, cash, or other? What can we do to keep the good players we identify, get....and then can't hold on to?
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Post by walrus on Mar 7, 2020 20:16:53 GMT
Good shout. In response to your second point re Hogan.......could we have used both of them (TC nd Hogan)? I don’t think so. There’s only room for one out and out striker in MON’s system and having Campbell as our main man with Vokes to support when the game calls for more physicality is working well for us. I suppose the real loser in all of this is Gregory. We could’ve kept on Hogan to get the occasional 20 mins instead of Gregory but the difference would’ve been negligible.
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 8, 2020 7:39:19 GMT
Arnie... What a player he was. It all started to go wrong when his brother/agent or whoever's is was started to pimp him around. You can call him mardy, arrogant, moody or what ever else springs to mind. But he was a very good player. I still haven’t seen a player with a first touch as good or consistent on a looping ball over his shoulder.
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 8, 2020 7:43:48 GMT
Greenhoff , Garth Crooks , Steve Bould , lee Dixon etc
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 8, 2020 7:50:45 GMT
Peschisolido
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 8, 2020 8:02:36 GMT
The sales of Matthews and Ritchie are the biggest mistakes of my lifetime - although I was too young to remember the Matthews sale. I also think we should have buried the hatchet with Franklin when he came back from Bogota - he was comfortably the best cb in England (possibly the world) before his ill fated trip to Colombia. In recent years letting Bardsley go was madness and that is not hindsight - I thought it at the time. I also think Eustace went on to have a very decent career after we let him go thinking that his injuries meant he was finished. I thought Eustace was the best player we had seen in years until his injury saga.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 8, 2020 8:04:35 GMT
The golden one.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 8, 2020 8:06:06 GMT
Bojan
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Post by Ron on Mar 8, 2020 8:13:43 GMT
Arnie. Walters. Whelan. No coincidence we lost those 3 then went down. Selling Arnautovic and not spending to replace him properly- instead using the money to buy a hopeless centre half for 18m was scandalous and resulted in our demise. The whole Jesé debacle was just embarrassing and cringeworthy.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 8, 2020 8:18:04 GMT
Grant
Fuller
Kavagnah
Huth
Whelan
Bardsley
Thorne
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 8:29:10 GMT
Arnie. Walters. Whelan. No coincidence we lost those 3 then went down. Selling Arnautovic and not spending to replace him properly- instead using the money to buy a hopeless centre half for 18m was scandalous and resulted in our demise. The whole Jesé debacle was just embarrassing and cringeworthy. Walters was finished to be fair, just couldn't shake those niggling injuries. Arnie we had little choice and replacing him easier said than done. Sadly Jese has great talent but just a complete fecktard as was Arnie is his younger days.
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Post by shrewspotter on Mar 8, 2020 8:40:16 GMT
Toddy Orlygsson was superb for us and he goes to Oldham!! Bertie was forming a lethal partnership with Stieno before the bright lights of Barnsley came knocking.
Agree with many mentioned on here
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Post by tijuanabrass on Mar 8, 2020 8:42:19 GMT
Chambo
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 8, 2020 8:43:32 GMT
Toddy Orlygsson was superb for us and he goes to Oldham!! Bertie was forming a lethal partnership with Stieno before the bright lights of Barnsley came knocking. Agree with many mentioned on here Both of those, as many above, wanted to go. Greenhoff, huth and kav are 3 standout names who would have stayed had the then manager wanted them or if the club hadn't needed to sell them.
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 8, 2020 8:53:06 GMT
I think it depends on whether they were players where it was in our gift to keep rather than those who were influenced by a bigger club, money, football challenge. So the likes of Annie, Shaq,Nzonzi, Dixon, Bould, Crooks etc we couldn’t really odds. It is the likes of Huth that are the stinkers. I’m sure there are plenty, but I’m struggling to think of too many who we have let go when it was in the clubs power to keep them that have gone on to be monumental successes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 10:59:06 GMT
Toddy Orlygsson was superb for us and he goes to Oldham!! Bertie was forming a lethal partnership with Stieno before the bright lights of Barnsley came knocking. Agree with many mentioned on here Toddy hated Macari. Used to see him regularly in local restaurant. Turned down a new contract with us and was due to sit down with him after a pre season game with Crewe think it was and Macari if I remember correctly didn't even turn up for the match.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2020 11:02:00 GMT
We shouldn’t have kept Hogan at all.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 8, 2020 11:04:05 GMT
We shouldn’t have kept Hogan at all. Exactly, I don't know why people keep talking about him. He would possibly have blocked Campbell's path, and Campbell is either a player we build our team around now, or will go to a top flight team for a lot of money which we can use to re-build.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2020 11:05:20 GMT
We shouldn’t have kept Hogan at all. Exactly, I don't know why people keep talking about him. He would possibly have blocked Campbell's path, and Campbell is either a player we build our team around now, or will go to a top flight team for a lot of money which we can use to re-build. Yeah it’s bloody odd.
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 8, 2020 11:06:30 GMT
Toddy Orlygsson was superb for us and he goes to Oldham!! Bertie was forming a lethal partnership with Stieno before the bright lights of Barnsley came knocking. Agree with many mentioned on here Both of those, as many above, wanted to go. Greenhoff, hugh and kav are 3 standout names who would have stayed had the then manager wanted them or if the club hadn't needed to sell them. Yeh agreed. Kav was one of my favourite ever players for stoke. Was gutted when he left
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Post by Stoke711 on Mar 8, 2020 11:07:07 GMT
Sheron, Steino b4 going Chelski.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 11:07:33 GMT
Toddy Orlygsson was superb for us and he goes to Oldham!! Bertie was forming a lethal partnership with Stieno before the bright lights of Barnsley came knocking. Agree with many mentioned on here Both of those, as many above, wanted to go. Greenhoff, hugh and kav are 3 standout names who would have stayed had the then manager wanted them or if the club hadn't needed to sell them. Kav couldn't leave quick enough when Cardiff came in for him. He was close to going to Wimbledon previously
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 8, 2020 11:10:31 GMT
Without a shadow of doubt Robert Huth
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 8, 2020 11:36:14 GMT
Both of those, as many above, wanted to go. Greenhoff, hugh and kav are 3 standout names who would have stayed had the then manager wanted them or if the club hadn't needed to sell them. Kav couldn't leave quick enough when Cardiff came in for him. He was close to going to Wimbledon previously That simply isn't true. Kav did not want to leave.
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