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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 2, 2020 15:27:44 GMT
It was but a lot of Tory boys are denying it for some reason. That's not the point tho, we all heard it (No pun intended) If that phone call was after the backtrack fine have a pop but it was the same day, we all know Herd immuninty was the original plan, it's been discussed enough on here at the time. That tweet is just meaningless. How is it meaningless when there's a narrative being spun that it was never the plan?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 2, 2020 15:28:15 GMT
Piers Morgan + Channel 4...... No. The Italian Health Minister.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 2, 2020 15:49:06 GMT
Wasn't it said in the daily briefing on 13th March that we're looking for Herd Immunity ? Something we quickly backtracked from on the Monday when they realised their sums were wrong ? If I'm right with the dates how's that "the truth dripping out" when it was broadcast to the nation on the same day "The health secretary, Matt Hancock, has insisted that herd immunity – the idea that allowing a virus to spread will eventually build up sufficient resistance in a population – was NEVER a part of the plan in the battle against Covid-19." www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/29/the-guardian-view-on-herd-immunity-yes-it-was-part-of-the-planSo you're saying that Hancock was lying then?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 2, 2020 15:51:56 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 2, 2020 16:02:56 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 2, 2020 16:15:22 GMT
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Post by theincontinents on Jun 2, 2020 16:20:43 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 2, 2020 16:22:47 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 2, 2020 16:52:29 GMT
2 metres only for the little people.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 2, 2020 16:56:10 GMT
Now I’m not saying that some of what he says isn’t relevant but it’s amazing how some people have turned him into some sort of national hero. A man that sold our soldiers down the river by inventing a story.
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Post by Gods on Jun 2, 2020 16:56:50 GMT
Now if they had a pound for every time they've thought 'I wish we'd never started this daily briefing thing' !! :-)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 2, 2020 17:03:38 GMT
Now I’m not saying that some of what he says isn’t relevant but it’s amazing how some people have turned him into some sort of national hero. A man that sold our soldiers down the river by inventing a story. What would you have said if somebody had posted a link today to Boris Johnson's sacking from The Times for fabricating stuff?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 17:10:47 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Jun 2, 2020 17:16:29 GMT
So yesterday's deaths misquote 111 was attributed as follows:
It turns out that until yesterday, the figure for the number of people who died after a positive test only included those whose test had been processed in an NHS or Public Health England laboratory.
On 1 June, the system was changed so that it also included tests processed by a commercial lab (since 24 May). That change meant a total of 445 extra people were counted as having died after testing positive, which was why the cumulative number rose by so much more than the daily figure.
I bet they counted the private tests in the test total figure, just conveniently forgot to use it in the deaths number until pointed out. Moral of the story get a private test you might not actually officially die.
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 2, 2020 17:16:58 GMT
If it can be proven that they deliberately misled the world initially by hiding something that should have been shared immediately then they should be treated as a pariah state and suffer the conquences of worldwide isolation. But that isn't going to happen. Even if they dropped an atomic bomb somewhere by mistake there are those in the capitalist world who would still want to trade with them so they can get their greedy snouts in the trough of a superpower who will soon be the number 1 place to invest. Don't blame the CRC for treading the capitalist path via an autocratic system. They've got where they are by doing just that. It works. But what the CRC may have or may not have done has no bearing whatsoever on the way governments throughout the world have dealt with the pandemic. There are those who have handled it brilliantly, some who have handled it well, and some, like our government, who have made a complete balls up of it. The common denominator of those who have ballsed it up - the US, the UK, and Brazil - is that they're all run by right-wing extremist governments. There are others who have not dealt with it well either, but that's mainly because they don't have the finances to build an infrastructure to do it. We can't say that. We're the 5th richest nation in the world. And we are no different than the CRC in many regards. What we see in the UK (especially England) is a methodology of lies, deceit, misinformation and government skullduggery designed to deflect/avoid blame any way they can. I've seen many governments in my long time on this earth but I can honestly say that I've never seen one so manipulative and deceitful as this lot who look upon us citizens as utter fools unworthy of their presence. Thatcher was an utter bastard, but she was an upfront bastard. When she said, "There's no such thing as society" then that was exactly what she thought, so deal with it. This lot have pretended to be the friends of the people, but they're not. And if any ordinary person cannot see through them then I pity them. They serve only one master - greed for the few... whatever the consequences. And if deaths of thousands of old people is the price they have to pay to achieve their aims, then so be it. Ferfuxache, wake up to what they're doing to you. OS. Absolutely scathing letter today Mick, from Sir David Norgrove, chairman of the UK Statistics Authority, to Matt Hancock ... I've read it Paul. Coming from such a source, and even though it's written in diplomatic language, it's scathing. Basically what he's saying is exactly what I have written... Hancock et al are a manipulative bunch of disingenous bastards who have taken the public for complete fools. What makes it worse is that even a ten year old can see through their lies. They just don't care. Much like Trump in the US, they know they have a core (ever diminishing by the day) of supporters who will swallow their lies and deceit without question and defend their actions by deflecting blame on that mad lot behind Corbyn and his pigs ear of an election manifesto. M.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 2, 2020 17:18:15 GMT
Now I’m not saying that some of what he says isn’t relevant but it’s amazing how some people have turned him into some sort of national hero. A man that sold our soldiers down the river by inventing a story. What would you have said if somebody had posted a link today to Boris Johnson's sacking from The Times for fabricating stuff? Nothing to see here, fake news, that was years ago, he was sacked by a remainer, it was the left wing media's fault and some random Labour MP got sacked for blah blah blah. There is probably a book of excuses on the dark web somewhere.
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 2, 2020 17:26:31 GMT
Now I’m not saying that some of what he says isn’t relevant but it’s amazing how some people have turned him into some sort of national hero. A man that sold our soldiers down the river by inventing a story. He's not a national hero to me. He's a traitorous bastard trying to rebuild his reputation on the back of this virus. But having said that, it doesn't make everything he's saying irrelevant. Relevance is the tool he's using to save his sorry ass. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 17:37:02 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 2, 2020 18:13:52 GMT
Now I’m not saying that some of what he says isn’t relevant but it’s amazing how some people have turned him into some sort of national hero. A man that sold our soldiers down the river by inventing a story. What would you have said if somebody had posted a link today to Boris Johnson's sacking from The Times for fabricating stuff? I would have said the same thing. I don’t favour either party. It just grinds with me that the guy is held up as some sort of hero when he’s sold British soldiers up the river and been involved in phone tapping.
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Post by Davef on Jun 2, 2020 18:24:56 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jun 2, 2020 18:25:41 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Jun 2, 2020 18:27:59 GMT
These nursing home owners and managers need to take a lot of the blame for this. There are plenty of homes out there that didn't take the extra 100 quid a resident and didn't give in to some of the useless nhs staff at certain hospitals that still don't know or follow the procedures and protocols.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 2, 2020 18:34:37 GMT
What would you have said if somebody had posted a link today to Boris Johnson's sacking from The Times for fabricating stuff? I would have said the same thing. I don’t favour either party. It just grinds with me that the guy is held up as some sort of hero when he’s sold British soldiers up the river and been involved in phone tapping. So you're saying that anything Boris Johnson says, should be ignored because he was sacked for making stuff up?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 2, 2020 19:07:20 GMT
It was but a lot of Tory boys are denying it for some reason. a bit like the government said 20000 deaths would be a good result. You couldn't make this shit up.. They have let us down on so many things... Just a bunch of gypos on the waltzers they have given it that much spin That was a the chair of sage (Vallance) not the government
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 2, 2020 19:18:19 GMT
If herd immunity wasn’t our aim in the first part I’d love an explanation why we were constantly being told we needed to lock down at the right time. That line was said time and again. It was the acceptable words of herd immunity.
The right time was right at the beginning not after our track and trace system couldn’t handle it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 2, 2020 19:26:39 GMT
Now I’m not saying that some of what he says isn’t relevant but it’s amazing how some people have turned him into some sort of national hero. A man that sold our soldiers down the river by inventing a story. He's not a national hero to me. He's a traitorous bastard trying to rebuild his reputation on the back of this virus. But having said that, it doesn't make everything he's saying irrelevant. Relevance is the tool he's using to save his sorry ass. OS. Spot on he’s as treacherous a lying bastard as those he’s accusing of the same ,, interesting he’s not dine the SAS thing on the TV
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Post by werrington on Jun 2, 2020 19:32:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 19:35:26 GMT
Of course they did. I believe them.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 2, 2020 19:58:11 GMT
If herd immunity wasn’t our aim in the first part I’d love an explanation why we were constantly being told we needed to lock down at the right time. That line was said time and again. It was the acceptable words of herd immunity. The right time was right at the beginning not after our track and trace system couldn’t handle it. Everyone knows it was their aim until the imperial college modelled 500k deaths pursuing that strategy. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 2, 2020 20:42:30 GMT
Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty thwarted Boris Johnson's wish to downgrade UK's coronavirus threat level from four to three amid fears the science does NOT support easing of the lockdown link
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