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Post by sheikhmomo on May 15, 2020 8:28:12 GMT
If you read the Daily Mail you're a twat and that's that. That is just sick. People who write it are pathologically sick as are the people who read it. The only thing they promote is Divisiveness. Yeah they bang on about 'all being in it together' and the mythical 'British spirit' when their only motive is divide and conquer. As you say, sick bastards.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 15, 2020 8:31:15 GMT
This has been Don Trump's amateur quack 'hunch' right from the get-go, may be there is method to his apparent madness! It will wear out for three main reasons: 1 The virus wiil mutate to a more benign form so as not to kill off its host 2 It will kill off the most vulnerable sections of the population so that those remaining are less likely to die. 3 Social distancing makes it harder for it to be passed on. The biggest reason at the moment for the fallback is 3 so coming out of lockdown too soon will see a resurgence but probably not as bad as the first wave. The surest way of ensuring it does fade away is track and trace (which were are no where near the likes of South Korea and New Zealand because we still have far too many cases and no effective implementation on the ground) and a vaccine (which is months off and may never happen). The government is planning on keeping the deaths within NHS capacity - which is effectively basing the plan on option 2 and hoping natural selection will deliver option 1 - and then of course taking the credit.
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Post by noustie on May 15, 2020 8:33:46 GMT
On the care home scandal I think party allegiances need parked as it is quite frightening what’s gone on.
We collectively watched in horror at Italy and Spain then pretty much decided it was ok just to chuck the old and infirm under the bus as it looked likely the NHS would get overwhelmed. I’ll readily admit to being left of centre but I thought this was a fair enough strategy. Where the government failed was when it didn’t react as there was plenty of capacity to take them into hospitals and that warrants investigation.
However, something that makes me hugely uncomfortable is just how easily as a country we essentially consigned a section of society as worth sacrificing for the greater good without even testing if the NHS could cope after seeing the scenes in a few regions of Italy and Spain. It’s even more uncomfortable that it happened at the exact time we were being told not to forget. It just shows how easily it is to go down a very dark road.
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Post by Han Solo on May 15, 2020 8:37:47 GMT
I agree that the government have made a complete arse of 90% of this but is the first step not to open schools or at least try to in a reduced capacity due to the low risk? As an outsider it would be the first step due to the low risk to children and the subsequent knock on effect it could have to free up parts of the labour market. Primary schools first due to the importance of early years, relative young age of children and assumed youngish age of parents. There will be exceptions to the above but there should be opt outs. If this isn’t the first step I’m not sure what should be? What if a child passes on the virus through touch, clothing etc and brings it home to the family? Family that have vulnerable people in the household? It's an open question since, after god knows how many months, we still don't have any real concrete evidence to suggest how this virus spreads, how easy it spreads, how long it lives on different types of surfaces other than some waffle from a group of people who have been proven to be total liars from day one. I think the key is having the choice one way or another and not to be penalised Whatever choice is made. We seem to be finally moving in the right direction however I don’t see us ever or certainly for a long time being 100 percent safe so how long do we wait? In my opinion I’d start staggering times so that maybe the kids prior to Sept have an hour a day where they can talk to staff in very small groups in as safe an environment as possible for guidence purposes. A lot of the decisions being made have to balance people’s health v not bankrupting the country (which could be catasrophic) those decisions need to be made by experts.
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Post by spitthedog on May 15, 2020 8:38:50 GMT
On the care home scandal I think party allegiances need parked as it is quite frightening what’s gone on. We collectively watched in horror at Italy and Spain then pretty much decided it was ok just to chuck the old and infirm under the bus as it looked likely the NHS would get overwhelmed. I’ll readily admit to being left of centre but I thought this was a fair enough strategy. Where the government failed was when it didn’t react as there was plenty of capacity to take them into hospitals and that warrants investigation. However, something that makes me hugely uncomfortable is just how easily as a country we essentially consigned a section of society as worth sacrificing for the greater good without even testing if the NHS could cope after seeing the scenes in a few regions of Italy and Spain. It’s even more uncomfortable that it happened at the exact time we were being told not to forget. It just shows how easily it is to go down a very dark road. While all these elderly were dying off in care homes our Hospital Wards were virtually empty. That is a chilling thought.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 15, 2020 8:40:44 GMT
That is just sick. People who write it are pathologically sick as are the people who read it. The only thing they promote is Divisiveness. Yeah they bang on about 'all being in it together' and the mythical 'British spirit' when their only motive is divide and conquer. As you say, sick bastards. Ah yes Heroes. Perhaps they should also point out that graveyards are full of 'em.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 15, 2020 8:48:54 GMT
This has been Don Trump's amateur quack 'hunch' right from the get-go, may be there is method to his apparent madness! It will wear out for three main reasons: 1 The virus wiil mutate to a more benign form so as not to kill off its host 2 It will kill off the most vulnerable sections of the population so that those remaining are less likely to die. 3 Social distancing makes it harder for it to be passed on.i The biggest reason at the moment for the fallback is 3 so coming out of lockdown too soon will see a resurgence but probably not as bad as the first wave. The surest way of ensuring it does fade away is track and trace (which were are no where near the likes of South Korea and New Zealand because we still have far too many cases and no effective implementation on the ground) and a vaccine (which is months off and may never happen). The government is planning on keeping the deaths within NHS capacity - which is effectively basing the plan on option 2 and hoping natural selection will deliver option 1 - and then of course taking the credit. It might do - but (1) even if it happens may take 20 -50 years and on it''s way may weaken previously healthy individuals so a second dose is worse - thus negating (2). Fact is it''s a NOVEL coronavirus and until it''s been round a bit longer we just don't know.
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Post by Timmypotter on May 15, 2020 8:52:17 GMT
Good because its totally unnecessary for the sake of a few weeks. I can't see any benefit at all in not waiting until the new school year starts in September. It'll give staff time to plan properly and will give us time to get the the infection rates down a little more. They don't have the modelling to say how much of a risk it is in spreading the virus across the community either It's a total no brainer apart from the parents who are sick of having their kids at home. Very unfair is that last comment. A 6 week stint at school would be very good for many children. My eldest is first year high school and is really bright. When he can be bothered to get his arse in gear he's capable of doing some good work at home with some help where needed. My youngest is 6 and whilst socially he's excellent, he really struggles with school work. It is near impossible to home school him effectively and even more impossible when you have to work yourself. My wife is worried sick that this time away will mean he will never catch up. He is year 2 and if schools reopen, he'll be going back for sure, however long it's for. We've had exactly the same experience. A 6 year old and a 7 year old. It's almost impossible to get them to do more than an hour or so a day especially when trying to work ourselves. This is time lost in their education. If lockdown continues into the next academic year I think there's an argument for kids to all jump back a year.
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Post by whakka on May 15, 2020 8:57:10 GMT
If you read the Daily Mail you're a twat and that's that. at 8pm tonite I think we should all take to our doorsteps and boo for 1 minute just for teachers
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 15, 2020 8:59:13 GMT
If you read the Daily Mail you're a twat and that's that. at 8pm tonite I think we should all take to our doorsteps and boo for 1 minute just for teachers Now this is a good example of the sort of 'character' who reads The Daily Mail.
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Post by whakka on May 15, 2020 9:04:13 GMT
at 8pm tonite I think we should all take to our doorsteps and boo for 1 minute just for teachers Now this is a good example of the sort of 'character' who reads The Daily Mail. I wonder how many of these poor teachers complaining about safety have had people like myself delivering their non essential tat to there doors.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 15, 2020 9:19:47 GMT
Now this is a good example of the sort of 'character' who reads The Daily Mail. I wonder how many of these poor teachers complaining about safety have had people like myself delivering their non essential tat to there doors. I have no idea, I think the conditions you work in might be slightly different to that of teachers but if you don't feel safe in your work, have a word with your Union.
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Post by whakka on May 15, 2020 9:24:34 GMT
I wonder how many of these poor teachers complaining about safety have had people like myself delivering their non essential tat to there doors. I have no idea, I think the conditions you work in might be slightly different to that of teachers but if you don't feel safe in your work, have a word with your Union. I'm perfectly happy working
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 15, 2020 9:32:57 GMT
Now this is a good example of the sort of 'character' who reads The Daily Mail. I wonder how many of these poor teachers complaining about safety have had people like myself delivering their non essential tat to there doors. While you were doing your deliveries did anyone make you responsible for the health of someone else's kids?
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 15, 2020 9:38:19 GMT
Now this is a good example of the sort of 'character' who reads The Daily Mail. I wonder how many of these poor teachers complaining about safety have had people like myself delivering their non essential tat to there doors. Whanka.
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 15, 2020 9:39:07 GMT
Is this not the balance though that we have people working now and I'm sure after the time locked indoors there will be some teachers looking forward to getting back. It won't be full class rooms so should we try and let more go back to work?
I genuinely think there is some middle ground here, as long as the government an unions let it be a choice we can at least give it a go.
I appreciate that it is dangerous for anyone to go to work and I have no idea how people in care homes are turning up to work in the current conditions. That is obviously on the one end of the scale, we have people working in shops putting themselves at risk and delivery workers which is far from ideal.
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Post by whakka on May 15, 2020 9:39:22 GMT
I wonder how many of these poor teachers complaining about safety have had people like myself delivering their non essential tat to there doors. While you were doing your deliveries did anyone make you responsible for the health of someone else's kids? the kids safety isn't the issue it's the teachers worried about their own from catching it from the kids so dont use the kids as a excuse.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2020 9:41:43 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on May 15, 2020 9:42:32 GMT
Breaking the law is a crime, you break the law you commit a crime if caught you are a criminal is that so hard to understand ? Do you think Gove should be punished for his cocaine confessions? Without a doubt breaking the law is a crime.
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 15, 2020 9:43:19 GMT
While you were doing your deliveries did anyone make you responsible for the health of someone else's kids? the kids safety isn't the issue it's the teachers worried about their own from catching it from the kids so dont use the kids as a excuse. Whakka, out of interest are you allowed to choose not to work and be furloughed or are you facing a choice of working or no pay? Feel free not to answer. I don't really know what it's like out there at the moment.
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Post by Timmypotter on May 15, 2020 9:44:39 GMT
While you were doing your deliveries did anyone make you responsible for the health of someone else's kids? the kids safety isn't the issue it's the teachers worried about their own from catching it from the kids so dont use the kids as a excuse. Kids are at virtually zero risk from the virus too. I'm not sure there has even been one reported death of a child of primary school age has there? (could be wrong on that). The virus has however killed over 1% of the country's entire population of over 90 year olds. We need to open back up in a way that respects the spread of risk across age brackets.
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 15, 2020 9:46:22 GMT
That's incredible, I had no idea that the heat wave had no impact. It's obviously something of a poisoned chalice as the French government's relative success could now be used against their tough measures. I find it strange that they've dropped the two week quarantine for us and are so focused on tourism but maybe this explains why.
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Post by elystokie on May 15, 2020 9:46:58 GMT
Do you think Gove should be punished for his cocaine confessions? Without a doubt breaking the law is a crime. Spoken like someone who would truly appreciate living in a society where the populous is tightly controlled...
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Post by whakka on May 15, 2020 9:51:34 GMT
the kids safety isn't the issue it's the teachers worried about their own from catching it from the kids so dont use the kids as a excuse. Whakka, out of interest are you allowed to choose not to work and be furloughed or are you facing a choice of working or no pay? Feel free not to answer. I don't really know what it's like out there at the moment. never been an option to furlough but I'm happy to be working.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 15, 2020 9:53:06 GMT
While you were doing your deliveries did anyone make you responsible for the health of someone else's kids? the kids safety isn't the issue it's the teachers worried about their own from catching it from the kids so dont use the kids as a excuse. Spoken to many teachers about it have you?
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Post by OldStokie on May 15, 2020 9:59:09 GMT
Regarding kids returning to school, it's one of the most stupid actions of this government. They could possibly get away with bringing year 6 pupils back but asking teachers to deal with reception class and year 1 is complete lunacy. My lass is an assistant schoolteacher who deals with reception and year 1. For those who don't know anything about these two year groups, they're basicially a nursery class (reception) and a playing class (year 1).
Many kids in reception class are just a step up from babies. Some are still in nappies and teachers have to deal with that situation. Also in those classes are kids with special needs, which are both physical and mental. My lass has one child to deal with who is diabetic and needs constant monitoring including administrating insulin when required. For many of these nippers, English is their second language and communication can be difficult. These are the realities. And some bright spark thinks they're able to deal with social distancing? What planet are they on? It's impossible. A reception class is little more than children familiarising themselves with their peers and the overwhelming majority of their time is spent socially interacting by play.
Year 1 is just a step up when they still do many of the things a reception class does but with a bit of ABC's and 1 2 3s. But they're still incapable of social distancing. As an example of what it will be like, if you've got or have had a kid aged 4/5, then try sitting them in a corner of your house for 6 hours and tell them they're to keep away from everyone else in the house.
The kids are most unlikely to be affected by the virus, but they come from homes which could be rife with it. Those kids are the perfect carriers. Any adult in their classes are bound to pick up the virus when the kids bring it in. They'll also be spreading it amongst their classmates, who will then take it home, infecting adults there.
As I said, it's complete lunacy and any head teacher of a school has every right to reject government advice on the grounds that they have a duty to protect their workforce. Given that fact, it opens a can of worms which could lead to law suits against local authorities for placing their employees in a situation where social distancing is impossible. Any employer in a 'normal' workplace wouldn't get away with breaking the social distancing rules, so why should schools be any different? And before anyone pipes up and says hospitals have to do it, their situation is entirely different. This opening of schools is not a necessity, it's a social experiment dreamed up by lunatics in white collars who have little idea of the consequences of their actions.
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Post by whakka on May 15, 2020 10:01:30 GMT
Regarding kids returning to school, it's one of the most stupid actions of this government. They could possibly get away with bringing year 6 pupils back but asking teachers to deal with reception class and year 1 is complete lunacy. My lass is an assistant schoolteacher who deals with reception and year 1. For those who don't know anything about these two year groups, they're basicially a nursery class (reception) and a playing class (year 1). Many kids in reception class are just a step up from babies. Some are still in nappies and teachers have to deal with that situation. Also in those classes are kids with special needs, which are both physical and mental. My lass has one child to deal with who is diabetic and needs constant monitoring including administrating insulin when required. For many of these nippers, English is their second language and communication can be difficult. These are the realities. And some bright spark thinks they're able to deal with social distancing? What planet are they on? It's impossible. A reception class is little more than children familiarising themsleves with their peers and the overwhelming majority of their time is spent socially interacting by play. Year 1 is just a step up when they still do many of the things a reception class does but with a bit of ABC's and 1 2 3s. But they're still incapable of social distancing. As an example of what it will be like, if you've got or have had a kid aged 4/5, then try sitting them in a corner of your house for 6 hours and tell them they're to keep away from everyone else in the house. The kids are most unlikely to be affected by the virus, but they come from homes which could be rife with it. Those kids are the perfect carriers. Any adult in their classes are bound to pick up the virus when the kids bring it in. They'll also be spreading it amongst their classmates, who will then take it home, infecting adults there. As I said, it's complete lunacy and any head teacher of a school has every right to reject government advice on the grounds that they have a duty to protect their workforce. Given that fact, it opens a can of worms which could lead to law suits against local authorities for placing their employees in a situation where social distancing is impossible. Any employer in a 'normal' workplace wouldn't get away with breaking the social distancing rules, so why should schools be any different? And before anyone pipes up and says hospitals have to do it, their situation is entirely different. This opening of schools is not a necessity, it's a social experiment dreamed up by lunatics in white collars who have little idea of the consequences of their actions. OS. this government? The rest of europe are managing it so are they all bad aswell?
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Post by danceswithclams on May 15, 2020 10:06:39 GMT
For many of these nippers, English is their second language and communication can be difficult. DEPORT THE INFANT SCUM! (am I doing this right?)
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 10:11:48 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 15, 2020 10:12:53 GMT
the kids safety isn't the issue it's the teachers worried about their own from catching it from the kids so dont use the kids as a excuse. Kids are at virtually zero risk from the virus too. I'm not sure there has even been one reported death of a child of primary school age has there? (could be wrong on that). The virus has however killed over 1% of the country's entire population of over 90 year olds. We need to open back up in a way that respects the spread of risk across age brackets. 25% of deaths have been in people with diabetes. In these obese times many parents of young children will be in that category. Kids may not be high risk themselves (though there has become increasing instances of a form of toxic shock syndrome amongst children) but they can quite easily become superspreaders as young children are extremely tactile individuals.
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