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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 14, 2020 19:32:20 GMT
All of them. Just go on google and put in latest opinion polls I did and yougov keeps coming up at the top of the listing. Yougov is owned by Stephen Shakespeare who used to own Conservative home website. I would say that their figures could be wrong
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 14, 2020 19:32:56 GMT
Why has Corbyn crept back into this? The bloke is a non entity of a failure that has achieved nothing worthy of note in his political career spanning how many years? Now move that to one side, where it belongs, and get back to the matter in hand. Boris Johnson and the rest of the current failures in Office. This thread has become political because of the constant (rightly so) criticism of Johnson by the more 'left wing' posters on the site. It is relentless on a daily basis with incessant links to obscure twitter accounts and the good old Guardian. In amongst this constant wave after wave of left wing postings some people have suggested that had Corbyn won the last election they don't believe things would have been very much different. This is a valid point because the majority of posters on this thread are clearly left of centre in their political views and to be brutally honest are more than a little pissed off that vast swathes of the country voted conservative at the last election immediately after voting to leave the EU, it really has been very difiicult for some to accept. As you say though, Corbyn is a non entity and always has been. Funny thing perception - 'cos when I read this board I come to the conclusion that the majority of posters are right of centre. Never counted 'em mind.
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Post by AlliG on May 14, 2020 19:42:04 GMT
That is truly shocking, it's actually beyond belief ... "the Department for Education's top scientist admitted they had ' not done any modelling' on virus transmission in classes." "Osama Rahman also admitted that the decision to reopen has been taken by the Cabinet not the department," "Mr Rahman admitted that it was possible that 'hundreds of potential vectors' for the virus could be brought together amid a reopening of schools. And asked whether this meant that schools could become hot spots where children can catch the disease and spread it further, Mr Rahman said: 'Possibly, depending on school sizes.'" having worked in education as a teacher you have a lot of potential contamination areas if the virus lives on materials for 73 hours you have tables chairs computers the kids clothes ns paper etc yet again the government don't care for the people who will have to deal with it the teachers lets not forget they have been working throughout the crises putting themselves at risk looking after the kids of key workers on the bbc the other morning a Denmark? nursery teacher was asked so what happens if a nursery school child falls over and needs comfort reply you cuddle them putting the worker in danger as children can pass it on easily this is going to end up as another scandal like the care homes all these actions seam to be to appease there core supporters from golf and tennis to garden centres and businesses that support them financially its time to hold them to account at the end of this and not let them hide the results in a long enquiry like grenfell there incomitance go's beyond belief I find it strange that we haven't heard from the headmasters and staff of the schools currently open about how they have coped, what they have learnt, what areas are presenting the greatest challenges and also what the current rate of infection is in schools relative to other workplaces. Surely that would give the best idea of how successful or otherwise the proposals are likely to be?
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Post by chad on May 14, 2020 19:42:18 GMT
All of them. Just go on google and put in latest opinion polls I did and yougov keeps coming up at the top of the listing. Yougov is owned by Stephen Shakespeare who used to own Conservative home website. I would say that their figures could be wrong NCP. 54%. 28% Mori. 52%. 30% Opinium. 49% 33% All wrong ?????
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 14, 2020 19:48:45 GMT
I did and yougov keeps coming up at the top of the listing. Yougov is owned by Stephen Shakespeare who used to own Conservative home website. I would say that their figures could be wrong NCP. 54%. 28% Mori. 52%. 30% Opinium. 49% 33% All wrong ????? Who knows with all the lies, , people are easy to control, brain wash and manipulate
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 14, 2020 19:56:06 GMT
Why has Corbyn crept back into this? The bloke is a non entity of a failure that has achieved nothing worthy of note in his political career spanning how many years? Now move that to one side, where it belongs, and get back to the matter in hand. Boris Johnson and the rest of the current failures in Office. We were talking about Starmer being an improvement and being able to make the government more accountable for their failures than they have been previously. So it's exactly the matter in hand.
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Post by whakka on May 14, 2020 20:00:28 GMT
Why has Corbyn crept back into this? The bloke is a non entity of a failure that has achieved nothing worthy of note in his political career spanning how many years? Now move that to one side, where it belongs, and get back to the matter in hand. Boris Johnson and the rest of the current failures in Office. We were talking about Starmer being an improvement and being able to make the government more accountable for their failures than they have been previously. So it's exactly the matter in hand. haaaaaa fuck me it gets better
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 14, 2020 20:01:16 GMT
We forgot to clap this week. Seems a few other people did. That the end of that then?
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 14, 2020 20:02:06 GMT
Two things are really pissing me off right now:
Face coverings not being compulsory on public transport.
This obsession to get schools back open just for a few weeks before the summer holidays. Leave it until September.
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Post by crapslinger on May 14, 2020 20:03:56 GMT
Indeed they do, so they can go back to their home countries and do just that ! if they are illegally ie. breaking the law they have no rights to claim benefits of any description, work here, access any free healthcare etc. if they are allowed to do so they are putting an unnecessary and unlawful strain on our resources, ie. the legal tax payers. What a wonderful human being you are. Like people can just go back to their own country and 'do just that'. Self righteous bafoonery. I hope you never have to justify your right of residence ever. Maybe then you might realise it's just a piece of rock flying around infinite space at 67,000 mph, and no one has the right to tell you you are worth less than any other life. Illegal immigrants are by their nature criminals, why would I need or ever need to justify my right of residence I was born here, live here legally, work here legally, pay my taxes, no one has said they are worth less than any other life calm down poppet, why can they not go back to their own countries of residence ?
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Post by numpty40 on May 14, 2020 20:06:29 GMT
This thread has become political because of the constant (rightly so) criticism of Johnson by the more 'left wing' posters on the site. It is relentless on a daily basis with incessant links to obscure twitter accounts and the good old Guardian. In amongst this constant wave after wave of left wing postings some people have suggested that had Corbyn won the last election they don't believe things would have been very much different. This is a valid point because the majority of posters on this thread are clearly left of centre in their political views and to be brutally honest are more than a little pissed off that vast swathes of the country voted conservative at the last election immediately after voting to leave the EU, it really has been very difiicult for some to accept. As you say though, Corbyn is a non entity and always has been. Funny thing perception - 'cos when I read this board I come to the conclusion that the majority of posters are right of centre. Never counted 'em mind. I was going to make a quip about Diane Abbott but thought better of it
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 14, 2020 20:11:51 GMT
Funny thing perception - 'cos when I read this board I come to the conclusion that the majority of posters are right of centre. Never counted 'em mind. I was going to make a quip about Diane Abbott but thought better of it Ah yes - "The Maths Girls" - you raise me a Diane Abbott and I'll see you a Priti Patel!!!
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Post by numpty40 on May 14, 2020 20:13:19 GMT
That is truly shocking, it's actually beyond belief ... "the Department for Education's top scientist admitted they had ' not done any modelling' on virus transmission in classes." "Osama Rahman also admitted that the decision to reopen has been taken by the Cabinet not the department," "Mr Rahman admitted that it was possible that 'hundreds of potential vectors' for the virus could be brought together amid a reopening of schools. And asked whether this meant that schools could become hot spots where children can catch the disease and spread it further, Mr Rahman said: 'Possibly, depending on school sizes.'" having worked in education as a teacher you have a lot of potential contamination areas if the virus lives on materials for 73 hours you have tables chairs computers the kids clothes ns paper etc yet again the government don't care for the people who will have to deal with it the teachers lets not forget they have been working throughout the crises putting themselves at risk looking after the kids of key workers on the bbc the other morning a Denmark? nursery teacher was asked so what happens if a nursery school child falls over and needs comfort reply you cuddle them putting the worker in danger as children can pass it on easily this is going to end up as another scandal like the care homes all these actions seam to be to appease there core supporters from golf and tennis to garden centres and businesses that support them financially its time to hold them to account at the end of this and not let them hide the results in a long enquiry like grenfell there incomitance go's beyond belief Have you genuinely worked in education as a teacher?
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Post by Olgrligm on May 14, 2020 20:16:51 GMT
There are a couple of interesting articles in the Spectator about the various bits of political establishment and civil service machinery. I guess that's where the Government are going to start pointing the finger over the faults: www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-british-state-needs-rewiringwww.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-has-exposed-the-weakness-of-whitehallA particularly interesting quote: Key figures in government believe that this country will need to be able to carry out 500,000 tests a day if the lockdown is to be properly lifted — and there is no way that target can be hit without private sector involvement.I think a few posters on here might have something to say about that. Surely it's not about the volume of the tests, but the quality of the targeting of the tests?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 20:32:42 GMT
Why has Corbyn crept back into this? The bloke is a non entity of a failure that has achieved nothing worthy of note in his political career spanning how many years? Now move that to one side, where it belongs, and get back to the matter in hand. Boris Johnson and the rest of the current failures in Office. We were talking about Starmer being an improvement and being able to make the government more accountable for their failures than they have been previously. So it's exactly the matter in hand. It amuses me how people are wetting their pants over Starmer’s “forensic” performances in PMQ’s, whilst completely ignoring the fact that he refused to even back the unions in highlighting safety concerns in the workplace, and the fact that he’s surrounded himself with a Shadow cabinet full of politicians like this: His parents must have been taking the piss when they gave him his first name.....
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Post by shakermaker on May 14, 2020 20:42:40 GMT
Why has Corbyn crept back into this? The bloke is a non entity of a failure that has achieved nothing worthy of note in his political career spanning how many years? Now move that to one side, where it belongs, and get back to the matter in hand. Boris Johnson and the rest of the current failures in Office. This thread has become political because of the constant (rightly so) criticism of Johnson by the more 'left wing' posters on the site. It is relentless on a daily basis with incessant links to obscure twitter accounts and the good old Guardian. In amongst this constant wave after wave of left wing postings some people have suggested that had Corbyn won the last election they don't believe things would have been very much different. This is a valid point because the majority of posters on this thread are clearly left of centre in their political views and to be brutally honest are more than a little pissed off that vast swathes of the country voted conservative at the last election immediately after voting to leave the EU, it really has been very difiicult for some to accept. As you say though, Corbyn is a non entity and always has been. This "non-entity" became Leader of the Opposition and closer to being PM than most politicians ever will. His biggest failure was not sticking to his principles over Brexit, but I'd have trusted him to adopt the more conservative (for want of a better word) approach to tackling this virus than the bumbling buffoons the country voted for. Jezza at least cared for people. Hopefully those who did will live to regret their mistake.
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Post by numpty40 on May 14, 2020 20:50:49 GMT
This thread has become political because of the constant (rightly so) criticism of Johnson by the more 'left wing' posters on the site. It is relentless on a daily basis with incessant links to obscure twitter accounts and the good old Guardian. In amongst this constant wave after wave of left wing postings some people have suggested that had Corbyn won the last election they don't believe things would have been very much different. This is a valid point because the majority of posters on this thread are clearly left of centre in their political views and to be brutally honest are more than a little pissed off that vast swathes of the country voted conservative at the last election immediately after voting to leave the EU, it really has been very difiicult for some to accept. As you say though, Corbyn is a non entity and always has been. This "non-entity" became Leader of the Opposition and closer to being PM than most politicians ever will. His biggest failure was not sticking to his principles over Brexit, but I'd have trusted him to adopt the more conservative (for want of a better word) approach to tackling this virus than the bumbling buffoons the country voted for. Jezza at least cared for people. Hopefully those who did will live to regret their mistake. Not sticking to his long held principles over the biggest issue in modern politics is a pretty big issue. Maybe he would have grown a backbone if elected, we'll never know.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 14, 2020 20:51:11 GMT
What a wonderful human being you are. Like people can just go back to their own country and 'do just that'. Self righteous bafoonery. I hope you never have to justify your right of residence ever. Maybe then you might realise it's just a piece of rock flying around infinite space at 67,000 mph, and no one has the right to tell you you are worth less than any other life. Illegal immigrants are by their nature criminals, why would I need or ever need to justify my right of residence I was born here, live here legally, work here legally, pay my taxes, no one has said they are worth less than any other life calm down poppet, why can they not go back to their own countries of residence ? Just a point of clarification, illegal immigrants are not criminals by their nature they may have committed a crime through circumstances or economic duress. The inference from your post is that they are prone to habitual criminality which is Trumpesque in its generalisation
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2020 20:53:12 GMT
Two things are really pissing me off right now: Face coverings not being compulsory on public transport. This obsession to get schools back open just for a few weeks before the summer holidays. Leave it until September. Have you got kids of your own?
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Post by chad on May 14, 2020 20:56:42 GMT
Illegal immigrants are by their nature criminals, why would I need or ever need to justify my right of residence I was born here, live here legally, work here legally, pay my taxes, no one has said they are worth less than any other life calm down poppet, why can they not go back to their own countries of residence ? Just a point of clarification, illegal immigrants are not criminals by their nature they may have committed a crime through circumstances or economic duress. The inference from your post is that they are prone to habitual criminality which is Trumpesque in its generalisation I can see where you’re coming from and I agree with your last point. However surely entering a country illegally is a criminal act and therefore strictly speaking they are criminals
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 20:57:56 GMT
This "non-entity" became Leader of the Opposition and closer to being PM than most politicians ever will. His biggest failure was not sticking to his principles over Brexit, but I'd have trusted him to adopt the more conservative (for want of a better word) approach to tackling this virus than the bumbling buffoons the country voted for. Jezza at least cared for people. Hopefully those who did will live to regret their mistake. Not sticking to his long held principles over the biggest issue in modern politics is a pretty big issue. Maybe he would have grown a backbone if elected, we'll never know. He was the leader of a party that decides policy through a democratic process..........
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 14, 2020 21:14:50 GMT
Just a point of clarification, illegal immigrants are not criminals by their nature they may have committed a crime through circumstances or economic duress. The inference from your post is that they are prone to habitual criminality which is Trumpesque in its generalisation I can see where you’re coming from and I agree with your last point. However surely entering a country illegally is a criminal act and therefore strictly speaking they are criminals Committing a crime and being accused of being a criminal by nature are not the same thing for me. It’s about context and generalisations like this are what has the world fucked up for me. Vague generalisations backed up by selective data or statistics appears the way politics and political discourse is heading and it’s concerning.
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Post by numpty40 on May 14, 2020 21:15:39 GMT
This thread has become political because of the constant (rightly so) criticism of Johnson by the more 'left wing' posters on the site. It is relentless on a daily basis with incessant links to obscure twitter accounts and the good old Guardian. In amongst this constant wave after wave of left wing postings some people have suggested that had Corbyn won the last election they don't believe things would have been very much different. This is a valid point because the majority of posters on this thread are clearly left of centre in their political views and to be brutally honest are more than a little pissed off that vast swathes of the country voted conservative at the last election immediately after voting to leave the EU, it really has been very difiicult for some to accept. As you say though, Corbyn is a non entity and always has been. This "non-entity" became Leader of the Opposition and closer to being PM than most politicians ever will. His biggest failure was not sticking to his principles over Brexit, but I'd have trusted him to adopt the more conservative (for want of a better word) approach to tackling this virus than the bumbling buffoons the country voted for. Jezza at least cared for people. Hopefully those who did will live to regret their mistake. To be fair, I like that 3 of the more 'left wing' posters have liked a post that states that Corbyn was unprincipled
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 14, 2020 21:19:05 GMT
Two things are really pissing me off right now: Face coverings not being compulsory on public transport. This obsession to get schools back open just for a few weeks before the summer holidays. Leave it until September. Have you got kids of your own? Yes
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2020 21:23:55 GMT
Have you got kids of your own? Yes Of school age?
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Post by essexstokey on May 14, 2020 21:23:56 GMT
Two things are really pissing me off right now: Face coverings not being compulsory on public transport. This obsession to get schools back open just for a few weeks before the summer holidays. Leave it until September. Have you got kids of your own? now you probably understand what teachers have to put up with on a day to day basis and treat them with the respect that they diserve instead of the constant criticism if people cant handle there own kids or even put up with them for a significant time imagine how a teacher puts up with there behaviour day in day out and there not there kids.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 21:24:02 GMT
This "non-entity" became Leader of the Opposition and closer to being PM than most politicians ever will. His biggest failure was not sticking to his principles over Brexit, but I'd have trusted him to adopt the more conservative (for want of a better word) approach to tackling this virus than the bumbling buffoons the country voted for. Jezza at least cared for people. Hopefully those who did will live to regret their mistake. To be fair, I like that 3 of the more 'left wing' posters have liked a post that states that Corbyn was unprincipled His principles could only ever take him so far in a party that decides policy democratically. I'll be interested to get an understanding of Starmer's principles if indeed he has any........
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 21:24:19 GMT
Two things are really pissing me off right now: Face coverings not being compulsory on public transport. This obsession to get schools back open just for a few weeks before the summer holidays. Leave it until September. Our school contacted us this week and asked us if we'd be sending our son in, in June, per the Government announcement. We told them no, and they were very supportive. From speaking to a number of other patents, I would estimate there will be a high percentage of parents not sending their kids back.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2020 21:27:21 GMT
Have you got kids of your own? now you probably understand what teachers have to put up with on a day to day basis and treat them with the respect that they diserve instead of the constant criticism if people cant handle there own kids or even put up with them for a significant time imagine how a teacher puts up with there behaviour day in day out and there not there kids. Teachers are qualified to teach and are paid to teach.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2020 21:28:22 GMT
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