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Post by algor on Feb 24, 2020 20:55:48 GMT
Even when infected. Only 1% are fatalXx Between 3 and 4 percent. But another 17 percent are critical. Not justifying the panic but there seems to be a brigade of people just taking an opposing view and pretending it's like getting a sniffle. People with underlying conditions such as auto immune or those with cancer are at serious risk. The panic buying has just made it very difficult now, you can't go about your daily routine. I can't go to work now because the schools closing means I have to look after them. That doesn't sound good at all mate, maybe in the short term being at home with the kid's will turn out to be a good move. The 17% percent you mention has been my worry from the start, the potential to completely overwhelm healthcare services is very real. I hope you all stay safe, keep us updated when you can.
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Post by felonious on Feb 25, 2020 8:06:40 GMT
Yep the supermarkets are packed out with panic buying. Not much meat, bread, water or toilet paper left... It only appears to be getting worse as they cannot locate the source of this spread. My kids schools are closed, all schools and universities in Lombardy are closed same with museums and cinemas and many shops, bars and restaurants. Really sorry to hear how bad it is for you. My daughter has been in Milan for 5 weeks and flew out first thing on Monday morning on a planned flight to Paris. The office she'd been working at closed on Friday until further notice. She'd run the food down knowing that she was leaving on Monday but had that panic that the airport might have been closed and was also hearing that flight prices were showing 10 fold increases in some cases and checks were being made on incoming passengers. She said she had no checks outbound and none incoming into Paris. She said the local supermarket had been stripped of food.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 25, 2020 11:19:45 GMT
Only a matter of time......
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 25, 2020 13:23:16 GMT
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Post by Northy on Feb 25, 2020 13:34:58 GMT
3 miles from me, suppose to be going to a pub near to it tonight, the cock of Budworth, so will give that a miss !
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 25, 2020 13:47:04 GMT
3 miles from me, suppose to be going to a pub near to it tonight, the cock of Budworth, so will give that a miss ! Looks fairly likely that an awful lot of us are going to get this. So I'd say just go and get twatted and enjoy the 14 days off
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 26, 2020 7:08:08 GMT
Hong kong schools are now going to closed until at least April 20. A self employed teacher I know is going to get a payment of 10,000 HKD (about £1,000).
I wonder what measures will be put in place for self employed people here if they are forced to stay away from work etc.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 26, 2020 7:42:17 GMT
Hong kong schools are now going to closed until at least April 20. A self employed teacher I know is going to get a payment of 10,000 HKD (about £1,000). I wonder what measures will be put in place for self employed people here if they are forced to stay away from work etc. Food banks seem to be popular...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 7:49:19 GMT
I've been to China, Dubai, Singapore and Italy in the last 3 weeks
Do I need to sit in a room covered in bubble wrap or something and eat only sealed, astronaut food? Is hardly that film 'Contagion' although oddly wasn't shown on the plane.
I've survived measles, SARS, Ebola a rather nasty sniffle and that AIDS thing in my time and all the major outbreaks. I might be immune
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 26, 2020 8:22:03 GMT
I've been to China, Dubai, Singapore and Italy in the last 3 weeks Do I need to sit in a room covered in bubble wrap or something and eat only sealed, astronaut food? Is hardly that film 'Contagion' although oddly wasn't shown on the plane. I've survived measles, SARS, Ebola a rather nasty sniffle and that AIDS thing in my time and all the major outbreaks. I might be immune Er yes. The BBC are just reporting that anyone who has been to Lombardy or Vento you should self isolate for 14 days. Anyone who has been North of a line between Pisa and Florence should self isolate if you're experiencing flu/cold like symptoms.
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Post by algor on Feb 26, 2020 8:54:21 GMT
I've been to China, Dubai, Singapore and Italy in the last 3 weeks Do I need to sit in a room covered in bubble wrap or something and eat only sealed, astronaut food? Is hardly that film 'Contagion' although oddly wasn't shown on the plane. I've survived measles, SARS, Ebola a rather nasty sniffle and that AIDS thing in my time and all the major outbreaks. I might be immune That's great for you, you may well be immortal! Unfortunately nobody else is so whilst you may bask in your perfection you could well be infecting others. Never mind as long as you are alright Jack!
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Post by riverman on Feb 26, 2020 9:24:54 GMT
On average 300000-650000 people die from seasonal flu every year world wide. In Britain its usually around 600 but has been known to be as high as 10000-13000 in a particularly bad out break. Nobody panics, nobody clears the shelves of surgical masks or clamber for vaccines. So far there's been 81133 cases of coronavirus and of them 2765 have died and yet there's mass hysteria mainly fuelled by the media. It could be less deadly than common flu. So until millions start to contract and die from it I think we need to get a grip and just keep washing our hands.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 26, 2020 9:51:00 GMT
Was speaking to a consultant last night in the pub. Royal Stoke asked a Heart Surgeon to stay home after his recent trip to Italy. Telford Hospital were happy for him to do some work down there so he did The end is nigh. BREAKING: Iran reports that 44 cases have now been found. Another hot spot apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 10:01:41 GMT
I've been to China, Dubai, Singapore and Italy in the last 3 weeks Do I need to sit in a room covered in bubble wrap or something and eat only sealed, astronaut food? Is hardly that film 'Contagion' although oddly wasn't shown on the plane. I've survived measles, SARS, Ebola a rather nasty sniffle and that AIDS thing in my time and all the major outbreaks. I might be immune That's great for you, you may well be immortal! Unfortunately nobody else is so whilst you may bask in your perfection you could well be infecting others. Never mind as long as you are alright Jack! Yes no one should travel as infecting others. Nothing like good scare-mongering to start a panic. 😵 Is this kind of ridiculous attitude that is causing schools to shut etc ,we've been to Italy we could be infected etc and no doubt travel will start to be seriously interrupted soon if this keeps up.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 26, 2020 11:14:41 GMT
I've been to China, Dubai, Singapore and Italy in the last 3 weeks Do I need to sit in a room covered in bubble wrap or something and eat only sealed, astronaut food? Is hardly that film 'Contagion' although oddly wasn't shown on the plane. I've survived measles, SARS, Ebola a rather nasty sniffle and that AIDS thing in my time and all the major outbreaks. I might be immune You've been to China in the last three weeks? Were you aware that the British Foreign Office have advised against all but essential travel to mainland China since the end of January?
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Post by algor on Feb 26, 2020 11:21:00 GMT
That's great for you, you may well be immortal! Unfortunately nobody else is so whilst you may bask in your perfection you could well be infecting others. Never mind as long as you are alright Jack! Yes no one should travel as infecting others. Nothing like good scare-mongering to start a panic. 😵 Is this kind of ridiculous attitude that is causing schools to shut etc ,we've been to Italy we could be infected etc and no doubt travel will start to be seriously interrupted soon if this keeps up. I don't think suggesting that the virus can spread by international travel (in particular to the places you claim to have been during the last 3 weeks) is starting a panic is it? It appears to be a reality, people traveling from China have infected others who in turn have travelled to other countries and infected others, so on and so forth. I think being cautious and self isolating for a couple of weeks after returning from a high risk area is reasonable, you clearly don't. The schools that have closed have had pupils and staff return from a high risk area and in the case of the Cheshire school it is reported that some of the pupils and staff have symptoms that could possibly be the virus, surely it is reasonable precaution to close the school down for a week or so? Governments around the world are fighting to contain and or at best delay the spread of the virus but your only concern appears to be how it might effect your life style in the short term. I would be interested to learn what your alternative strategy would be? Would it be just let it spread and see what happens?
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Post by riverman on Feb 26, 2020 11:49:39 GMT
Yes no one should travel as infecting others. Nothing like good scare-mongering to start a panic. 😵 Is this kind of ridiculous attitude that is causing schools to shut etc ,we've been to Italy we could be infected etc and no doubt travel will start to be seriously interrupted soon if this keeps up. I don't think suggesting that the virus can spread by international travel (in particular to the places you claim to have been during the last 3 weeks) is starting a panic is it? It appears to be a reality, people traveling from China have infected others who in turn have travelled to other countries and infected others, so on and so forth. I think being cautious and self isolating for a couple of weeks after returning from a high risk area is reasonable, you clearly don't. The schools that have closed have had pupils and staff return from a high risk area and in the case of the Cheshire school it is reported that some of the pupils and staff have symptoms that could possibly be the virus, surely it is reasonable precaution to close the school down for a week or so? Governments around the world are fighting to contain and or at best delay the spread of the virus but your only concern appears to be how it might effect your life style in the short term. I would be interested to learn what your alternative strategy would be? Would it be just let it spread and see what happens? So why are these very same measures not carried out every other year when people come back from a country where there's maybe been 10 times the amount of deaths from common flu? Why are countries not in lock down and sporting events cancelled every winter? The world is over reacting because there's a new kid on the block and the media have pounced on it and whipped everyone up into a frenzy. At the moment this virus is nowhere near as deadly as common seasonal flu and people are acting like it's the black death. I read this morning that 16 people contracted it in Vietnam and all 16 have completely recovered. As I said in an earlier post, when millions are dying from it then we can start worrying. Until then we don't need to be cancelling football matches because some fucker sneezed!
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Post by algor on Feb 26, 2020 12:11:00 GMT
I don't think suggesting that the virus can spread by international travel (in particular to the places you claim to have been during the last 3 weeks) is starting a panic is it? It appears to be a reality, people traveling from China have infected others who in turn have travelled to other countries and infected others, so on and so forth. I think being cautious and self isolating for a couple of weeks after returning from a high risk area is reasonable, you clearly don't. The schools that have closed have had pupils and staff return from a high risk area and in the case of the Cheshire school it is reported that some of the pupils and staff have symptoms that could possibly be the virus, surely it is reasonable precaution to close the school down for a week or so? Governments around the world are fighting to contain and or at best delay the spread of the virus but your only concern appears to be how it might effect your life style in the short term. I would be interested to learn what your alternative strategy would be? Would it be just let it spread and see what happens? So why are these very same measures not carried out every other year when people come back from a country where there's maybe been 10 times the amount of deaths from common flu? Why are countries not in lock down and sporting events cancelled every winter? The world is over reacting because there's a new kid on the block and the media have pounced on it and whipped everyone up into a frenzy. At the moment this virus is nowhere near as deadly as common seasonal flu and people are acting like it's the black death. I read this morning that 16 people contracted it in Vietnam and all 16 have completely recovered. As I said in an earlier post, when millions are dying from it then we can start worrying. Until then we don't need to be cancelling football matches because some fucker sneezed! The answers quite simple! Over 20 million Brit's receive a Flu vaccine to help prevent them dying of Flu. Why do you need to wait for millions to die before you show concern? As an aside it wasn't the media who placed 10 of millions of Chinese in lock down, it isn't the media who have damaged the Chinese economy or who have put thousands of small Chinese businesses in danger of collapse it was the Chinese government and they did this based on what they were seeing in Wuhan, I would suggest they may have a better insight into the problem than your good self. If the Media reporting on the rapidly changing picture is offensive to you then perhaps your next trip should be to Iran as their govenment appear to share your attitude.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 26, 2020 12:15:03 GMT
I don't think suggesting that the virus can spread by international travel (in particular to the places you claim to have been during the last 3 weeks) is starting a panic is it? It appears to be a reality, people traveling from China have infected others who in turn have travelled to other countries and infected others, so on and so forth. I think being cautious and self isolating for a couple of weeks after returning from a high risk area is reasonable, you clearly don't. The schools that have closed have had pupils and staff return from a high risk area and in the case of the Cheshire school it is reported that some of the pupils and staff have symptoms that could possibly be the virus, surely it is reasonable precaution to close the school down for a week or so? Governments around the world are fighting to contain and or at best delay the spread of the virus but your only concern appears to be how it might effect your life style in the short term. I would be interested to learn what your alternative strategy would be? Would it be just let it spread and see what happens? So why are these very same measures not carried out every other year when people come back from a country where there's maybe been 10 times the amount of deaths from common flu? Why are countries not in lock down and sporting events cancelled every winter? The world is over reacting because there's a new kid on the block and the media have pounced on it and whipped everyone up into a frenzy. At the moment this virus is nowhere near as deadly as common seasonal flu and people are acting like it's the black death. I read this morning that 16 people contracted it in Vietnam and all 16 have completely recovered. As I said in an earlier post, when millions are dying from it then we can start worrying. Until then we don't need to be cancelling football matches because some fucker sneezed! Seriously? Don't you realise that if the world only started worrying once millions were dying from it, then it would already be too late? The whole reason for the precautions now, is so that we don't ever get to that stage. This isn't some media conspiracy whipping people up into a frenzy. This is the US State Department's advice since February 2nd. "Level 4 category (the highest level): DO NOT TRAVEL TO CHINA Those currently (this is four weeks ago) in China should attempt to depart by commercial means. We strongly urge U.S. citizens remaining in China to stay at home as much as possible and limit contact with others. Consider stocking up on food and other supplies to limit movement outside the home." They are the instructions from the government of the most powerful nation on earth, this isn't being whipped up by the Daily Mail. But because thousands of people die from flu in China each year anyway, are you then suggesting that the US citizens should ignore their government's advice?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 26, 2020 12:22:58 GMT
Getting really tired of the comparisons to "common flu". The entire issue with the disease is the apparent ease of transmission, the lack of decent epidemiological control of the disease sources and the fact it's a novel disease. The advice and actions carried out by the institutions that matter have been proportionate and sensible. Mortality rate isn't the bottom line in assessing how damaging a disease can be.
In fact, it's often the inverse, Ebola has a massively high mortality rate but as such it tends to burn itself out before it can infect many people. Hence why diseases like flu kill millions more than ebola, because of the ease of transmission. We have a good track of the antigenic drift of a disease like flu, we have no such safety net in place as of yet for Co-Vid. There's a seasonal flu vaccine every year that saves thousands.
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Post by Northy on Feb 26, 2020 13:51:16 GMT
I don't think suggesting that the virus can spread by international travel (in particular to the places you claim to have been during the last 3 weeks) is starting a panic is it? It appears to be a reality, people traveling from China have infected others who in turn have travelled to other countries and infected others, so on and so forth. I think being cautious and self isolating for a couple of weeks after returning from a high risk area is reasonable, you clearly don't. The schools that have closed have had pupils and staff return from a high risk area and in the case of the Cheshire school it is reported that some of the pupils and staff have symptoms that could possibly be the virus, surely it is reasonable precaution to close the school down for a week or so? Governments around the world are fighting to contain and or at best delay the spread of the virus but your only concern appears to be how it might effect your life style in the short term. I would be interested to learn what your alternative strategy would be? Would it be just let it spread and see what happens? So why are these very same measures not carried out every other year when people come back from a country where there's maybe been 10 times the amount of deaths from common flu? Why are countries not in lock down and sporting events cancelled every winter? The world is over reacting because there's a new kid on the block and the media have pounced on it and whipped everyone up into a frenzy. At the moment this virus is nowhere near as deadly as common seasonal flu and people are acting like it's the black death. I read this morning that 16 people contracted it in Vietnam and all 16 have completely recovered. As I said in an earlier post, when millions are dying from it then we can start worrying. Until then we don't need to be cancelling football matches because some fucker sneezed! there's no vaccine for it yet is there, that's why? I spoke with my boss today, we have a colleague whose near Venice atm, we are all due for a 2 day meeting next week, I don't want him attending as I'm going on holiday the following week, my boss doesn't want him attending as he will be having his 88 year old mother staying with him the weekend after the meeting, if our colleague in italy brings it back with him but it incubates for 14 days so wouldn't be showing and passes it on, he could scupper my families holiday and kill his bosses mother, who could spread it to the rest of the nursing home before her symptons show and cause serious problems to all the old people in the home.
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Post by riverman on Feb 26, 2020 13:52:05 GMT
So why are these very same measures not carried out every other year when people come back from a country where there's maybe been 10 times the amount of deaths from common flu? Why are countries not in lock down and sporting events cancelled every winter? The world is over reacting because there's a new kid on the block and the media have pounced on it and whipped everyone up into a frenzy. At the moment this virus is nowhere near as deadly as common seasonal flu and people are acting like it's the black death. I read this morning that 16 people contracted it in Vietnam and all 16 have completely recovered. As I said in an earlier post, when millions are dying from it then we can start worrying. Until then we don't need to be cancelling football matches because some fucker sneezed! Seriously? Don't you realise that if the world only started worrying once millions were dying from it, then it would already be too late? The whole reason for the precautions now, is so that we don't ever get to that stage. This isn't some media conspiracy whipping people up into a frenzy. This is the US State Department's advice since February 2nd. "Level 4 category (the highest level): DO NOT TRAVEL TO CHINA Those currently (this is four weeks ago) in China should attempt to depart by commercial means. We strongly urge U.S. citizens remaining in China to stay at home as much as possible and limit contact with others. Consider stocking up on food and other supplies to limit movement outside the home." They are the instructions from the government of the most powerful nation on earth, this isn't being whipped up by the Daily Mail. But because thousands of people die from flu in China each year anyway, are you then suggesting that the US citizens should ignore their government's advice? Ok, I'll accept I shouldn't have said when millions start to die, what I'm getting at is as it stands the death rate is quite low and people are recovering from it. If everyone who got it had a more than 90% chance of dying and it could lead to millions of deaths we've got a major problem. That just isn't the case right now. People are panic buying and avoiding Chinese takeaways because they think they are going to catch it. You quote the US state advice which I agree is sound advice for those living in or near the epicenter and it's right that it should be contained but when you start closing schools and cancelling sport events people start to get nervous and that could lead to all sorts of problems like panic buying, overcrowding A&E departments and doctors surgeries and civil unrest. We should be doing more to reassure people that at the moment this virus looks no worse than common flu and should be treated as such. I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression, I just fear things could get out of hand.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 26, 2020 15:23:04 GMT
I think the issue is it's an unknown risk atm, flu has a mortality rate of 0.01%, in China the mortality rate is 2.3% for caronavirus. Multiply those and the death toll could be catastrophic with this "new" illness. I'm sure I've read that there has been 14000 deaths in the US with influenza A+B With a mortality rate of one hundredth of one % so times 14000 by 230 and that's 3.2million in the us alone.
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Post by farfromhere on Feb 26, 2020 16:03:06 GMT
Seriously? Don't you realise that if the world only started worrying once millions were dying from it, then it would already be too late? The whole reason for the precautions now, is so that we don't ever get to that stage. This isn't some media conspiracy whipping people up into a frenzy. This is the US State Department's advice since February 2nd. "Level 4 category (the highest level): DO NOT TRAVEL TO CHINA Those currently (this is four weeks ago) in China should attempt to depart by commercial means. We strongly urge U.S. citizens remaining in China to stay at home as much as possible and limit contact with others. Consider stocking up on food and other supplies to limit movement outside the home." They are the instructions from the government of the most powerful nation on earth, this isn't being whipped up by the Daily Mail. But because thousands of people die from flu in China each year anyway, are you then suggesting that the US citizens should ignore their government's advice? Ok, I'll accept I shouldn't have said when millions start to die, what I'm getting at is as it stands the death rate is quite low and people are recovering from it. If everyone who got it had a more than 90% chance of dying and it could lead to millions of deaths we've got a major problem. That just isn't the case right now. People are panic buying and avoiding Chinese takeaways because they think they are going to catch it. You quote the US state advice which I agree is sound advice for those living in or near the epicenter and it's right that it should be contained but when you start closing schools and cancelling sport events people start to get nervous and that could lead to all sorts of problems like panic buying, overcrowding A&E departments and doctors surgeries and civil unrest. We should be doing more to reassure people that at the moment this virus looks no worse than common flu and should be treated as such. I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression, I just fear things could get out of hand. The main problem is the percentage of people requiring intensive hospital care when it hits the fan. The rate is about 19%. The NHS and most other healthcare systems can't deal with that. In Wuhan people are still locked down and are now unable to leave their houses. Plus if you contract it there's a risk of infecting elderly or infirm people that you know. I think the current reaction is warranted. Our best bet is to try to slow the spread of the disease so that it doesn't overwhelm our healthcare system. I agree that it's best not to panic but we do need to be prepared.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 26, 2020 16:20:42 GMT
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Post by Northy on Feb 26, 2020 17:15:19 GMT
My boss has told me to standby and cover a weekends work in Thurrock the weekend of the Hull match, as a colleague returning rom Northern Italy may have to self quarantine. he gets the jolly, I may get the shitty end of the stick, the work in Italy is based around the work in Thurrock
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Post by elystokie on Feb 26, 2020 17:18:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 18:08:12 GMT
I don't think suggesting that the virus can spread by international travel (in particular to the places you claim to have been during the last 3 weeks) is starting a panic is it? It appears to be a reality, people traveling from China have infected others who in turn have travelled to other countries and infected others, so on and so forth. I think being cautious and self isolating for a couple of weeks after returning from a high risk area is reasonable, you clearly don't. The schools that have closed have had pupils and staff return from a high risk area and in the case of the Cheshire school it is reported that some of the pupils and staff have symptoms that could possibly be the virus, surely it is reasonable precaution to close the school down for a week or so? Governments around the world are fighting to contain and or at best delay the spread of the virus but your only concern appears to be how it might effect your life style in the short term. I would be interested to learn what your alternative strategy would be? Would it be just let it spread and see what happens? So why are these very same measures not carried out every other year when people come back from a country where there's maybe been 10 times the amount of deaths from common flu? Why are countries not in lock down and sporting events cancelled every winter? The world is over reacting because there's a new kid on the block and the media have pounced on it and whipped everyone up into a frenzy. At the moment this virus is nowhere near as deadly as common seasonal flu and people are acting like it's the black death. I read this morning that 16 people contracted it in Vietnam and all 16 have completely recovered. As I said in an earlier post, when millions are dying from it then we can start worrying. Until then we don't need to be cancelling football matches because some fucker sneezed! Absolutely. Closing schools in Cheshire I read this morning and as you said it isn't causing deaths in countries around the globe like some would lead you to believe.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2020 1:33:06 GMT
So why are these very same measures not carried out every other year when people come back from a country where there's maybe been 10 times the amount of deaths from common flu? Why are countries not in lock down and sporting events cancelled every winter? The world is over reacting because there's a new kid on the block and the media have pounced on it and whipped everyone up into a frenzy. At the moment this virus is nowhere near as deadly as common seasonal flu and people are acting like it's the black death. I read this morning that 16 people contracted it in Vietnam and all 16 have completely recovered. As I said in an earlier post, when millions are dying from it then we can start worrying. Until then we don't need to be cancelling football matches because some fucker sneezed! Absolutely. Closing schools in Cheshire I read this morning and as you said it isn't causing deaths in countries around the globe like some would lead you to believe. So you travelled to (and returned from) China ignoring the explicit advice of both the British and American foreign offices and you're still ridiculing their advice? Are you not even remotely concerned, that you might now, as a result, actually be carrying the virus and could be putting vulnerable people in danger? And it IS causing deaths around the globe, like some would lead you to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 1:48:10 GMT
Hong kong schools are now going to closed until at least April 20. A self employed teacher I know is going to get a payment of 10,000 HKD (about £1,000). I wonder what measures will be put in place for self employed people here if they are forced to stay away from work etc. Absolutely The panic mongers won't stop until they are by the looks of things. Thankfully flights etc are continuing as normal and controlled as with SARS which caused us big problems at the time where I was stationed but was contained by those in the know and so far so good. I'll take their word re safe travel over The Sun or someone on a message board
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