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Post by felonious on Apr 8, 2020 11:25:46 GMT
Glad to know you're all safe mate and it's good news that there's an army of volunteers out there for those important prescription deliveries to the gang..... Couldn't agree more mate. I'm one of them Lord help us, I hadn't realised they'd set the bar so low.
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Post by musik on Apr 8, 2020 11:26:42 GMT
According to WHO, people who have the Corona Virus but do not show any symptoms or aren't aware of having Corona, nevertheless CAN transmit the disease to other people.
But not according to the swedish People Health Agency, Anders Tegnell.
Probably that is why he/they have no problem with sending staff with the Corona virus, positive tested, back to The Homes for the Elderly. EVEN though Corona is widespread especially at those Homes!!!
They do everything to keep the political power.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 8, 2020 11:30:56 GMT
Thinking a lot this morning about what sort of world we will inhabit once we begin to emerge from the control measures and restrictions that currently affect daily life. This week we have had the first tentative references to an exit strategy to clear the impositions currently in play. We can then move forward and attempt to restore some sense of "normality" to the world. However I believe that a lot of recognized behaviour patterns will have been changed for ever. Money and cash movements will work quite differently. Apart from the fact that manufacturing industry will be decimated by only a few months of restriction, and we will most probably be heading into a deep global recession, our access to financial services will be significantly changed. People are not being fully or properly paid, if at all, and more families will have to borrow where possible to make ends meet. So we will be faced by quite serious levels of poverty and debt. Even use of money itself will change. Already the small corner shops and newsagents that are open are accepting "card payments only" and are not taking cash or coin, as a health control. It seems that the idea of exchanging money for goods, which was already going out of favour before the crisis, will become a thing of the past, and all transactions will be by credit or debit card only. The concept of contactless payment, which many older people mistrusted, has now become an established thing. The way we shop will certainly change, Not least because many big name retailers will have gone to the wall, and there will be fewer high street stores in both number and variety. Most trade of goods will take place online, and we will get more used to receiving products by home delivery. Firstly, as it has now become accepted as the main form of shopping, and probably because there will be few alternatives. This acceptance will extend to Supermarket and food shopping, as many potential customers have experienced the delights of home shopping and delivery. The days of the daily shop are now probably gone. Even the excuse for this that it is the only time you get out and meet people some days, has now been shown to be unecessary, with people becoming used to new behavioural patterns. If we are working, then our routines will certainly change. There is a huge sector of business in the UK that comes under the umbrella of a "service industry", formerly operated through an office environment. This model will change. It will now have been proved that meetings do not require a physical attendance by individuals to be effective, and technology will dictate the way we work in future. Once the crisis is over I fully expect to be told that my presence might only be needed "at work" for perhaps one day a week and I will required to continue running a satellite home office, with all the implications this might have for domestic life and routines. Whole areas of life will come under review, such as our use of public transport and vehicles. I have not used the car for three weeks, so clearly if I had to I could dispense with it entirely and work totally online. The point is that we are all starting to see things differently and are changing our perceptions of priorities and the pace of life. Because of what we are experiencing, on this day, at this time, at this moment, and indeeed on each and every day now, change has come to Britiain. Do you think so? A news report from Bejing last night showed traffic nose to tail as though Covid 19 was merely an afterthought. Once restrictions are lifted there will be a population just itching to get back in their cars. Because restoring our 'normal freedoms' will take a while there will certainly be a period of adaption until a vaccine is available/herd immunity achieved where some of the things you mention will certainly be in evidence. Some other things may take longer to return - it's hard to see budget flights being available for a while - but to me the great British public seems hard wired to not stopping in. Socially it's a measure of how popular/interesting you are whilst professionally charging around like a blue arsed fly is a measure of how "busy" you are. Without doubt there will be a recession with everything that brings with it. We are at a crossroads and we can emerge a fairer and more compassionate society or we can carry on along the road to even more inequality than there was before. Sadly I fear the latter.
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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 8, 2020 11:36:48 GMT
Without wishing to repeat or quote the whole text and labour the point, I posted earlier about the prospects for a dramatic change in our way of life once the Coronavirus crisis has passed. Everything we know is being challenged, such as how we use money and purchase goods, to how we travel and attend our workplace. Mr Coke helpfully responded with a link to a report that essentially considered the threat to the global economy. And Seymour made an observation on the predictability of human social behaviour. Thanks.
There have been some tentative references to an exit strategy to eventually move us away from the current policy of lock down and isolation. I think the social correction and rebalancing after the event will go on for years. "EXIT" will be as important and defining for us all, just as Brexit was for so long the absolute focus of every day life."
I thought of putting a few grammatical errors and spelling mistakes into my post, just to see if the language police on the board today would spot them, but then I couldn't be bothered.
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Post by mattador78 on Apr 8, 2020 12:03:08 GMT
He's clearly doing it to make money. Because what he says has already killed two people who took some directly but it was the wrong compound and the toxicity killed them. He's dangerous and greedy. did they take it on their own without being prescribed by a doctor? I know I wouldn't take it as I'm allergic to some anti malaria tablets. They took something which had a similar ingredients list but what cleans fish tanks
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 8, 2020 12:06:01 GMT
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Post by Gods on Apr 8, 2020 12:19:39 GMT
On the text tv news today: "Many people have Corona without knowing it". And The People Health Agency and Anders Tegnell today on TV declared 9 out of 10 people with Corona symptoms have NO SYMPTOMS. Or at least minor symptoms. And on the radio earlier he said to find out who's going to have a severe version of it depends on the medical history of the person in question, does he/she take long to recover from the flu usually, then it might be severe to catch Corona. (B$#$$&y H@#&!! I always get 39.5-41.2°C fever for 2 weeks, then less fever the last third week when having a flu and I very easily get pnemonia.) Those 9 out of 10 zero or minimal symptoms may be correct. Estranged shared the figures on here whereby it is believed about 2 million people in the UK have had it already. The schools were open until March and apparently most children don't notice it at all. You could imagine it running through a school in London say and no one except for perhaps a couple of teachers even noticing.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 8, 2020 12:19:42 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 8, 2020 12:23:59 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 8, 2020 12:27:40 GMT
Scotland now added non hospital Covid-19 deaths (at home, care homes etc) raising the reported total from 282 to 366. A more complete measure sadly.
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Post by march4 on Apr 8, 2020 12:27:57 GMT
For the record, 37,000 people a year on average die of sepsis in England.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 12:29:04 GMT
On the text tv news today: "Many people have Corona without knowing it". And The People Health Agency and Anders Tegnell today on TV declared 9 out of 10 people with Corona symptoms have NO SYMPTOMS. Or at least minor symptoms. And on the radio earlier he said to find out who's going to have a severe version of it depends on the medical history of the person in question, does he/she take long to recover from the flu usually, then it might be severe to catch Corona. (B$#$$&y H@#&!! I always get 39.5-41.2°C fever for 2 weeks, then less fever the last third week when having a flu and I very easily get pnemonia.) 9 out of 10?! Massive numbers. Once that antibody test is out, it will be a game chamger.
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Post by march4 on Apr 8, 2020 12:29:53 GMT
On the text tv news today: "Many people have Corona without knowing it". And The People Health Agency and Anders Tegnell today on TV declared 9 out of 10 people with Corona symptoms have NO SYMPTOMS. Or at least minor symptoms. And on the radio earlier he said to find out who's going to have a severe version of it depends on the medical history of the person in question, does he/she take long to recover from the flu usually, then it might be severe to catch Corona. (B$#$$&y H@#&!! I always get 39.5-41.2°C fever for 2 weeks, then less fever the last third week when having a flu and I very easily get pnemonia.) Those 9 out of 10 zero or minimal symptoms may be correct. Estranged shared the figures on here whereby it is believed about 2 million people in the UK have had it already. The schools were open until March and apparently most children don't notice it at all. You could imagine it running through a school in London say and no one except for perhaps a couple of teachers even noticing. And the grandparents of the children who would be dying in their thousands. Not closing the schools quickly enough is what had caused very many of these deaths.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2020 12:36:13 GMT
Scotland now added non hospital Covid-19 deaths (at home, care homes etc) raising the reported total from 282 to 366. A more complete measure sadly. This may sound callous but I’m just talking from the number side but that’s not as big an increase as I thought it would be. Still horrible obviously.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 8, 2020 12:37:39 GMT
I read your post and enjoyed it. But, can I say, I don't think anecdotes are your forte........ Well on the basis that I can't really stop you saying it (and you've already said it anyway) - then Yes. Any other literary advice? :-) I thought you knew Alan Partridge? Never mind!
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 8, 2020 12:40:38 GMT
Scotland now added non hospital Covid-19 deaths (at home, care homes etc) raising the reported total from 282 to 366. A more complete measure sadly. This may sound callous but I’m just talking from the number side but that’s not as big an increase as I thought it would be. Still horrible obviously. I read an estimate of 23% back in march. But surely that will rise as at risk people chose to stay home.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Apr 8, 2020 12:42:41 GMT
This may sound callous but I’m just talking from the number side but that’s not as big an increase as I thought it would be. Still horrible obviously. I read an estimate of 23% back in march. But surely that will rise as at risk people chose to stay home. The Scotland one is 30% almost, so if you use a middle-ish to low estimate and say 25% then that's another 1500 deaths on the current UK hospital total
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 8, 2020 12:49:12 GMT
Scotland now added non hospital Covid-19 deaths (at home, care homes etc) raising the reported total from 282 to 366. A more complete measure sadly. This may sound callous but I’m just talking from the number side but that’s not as big an increase as I thought it would be. Still horrible obviously. Yeah, when Sturgeon mentioned it in her briefing it made me wonder how big a difference it had made, so I had a look around. Measure of the times we are all in that if 84 people had died in a plane crash on a Scottish mountain it would be devastating news, now 84 dead seems the norm unbelievably.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 8, 2020 12:51:43 GMT
Well on the basis that I can't really stop you saying it (and you've already said it anyway) - then Yes. Any other literary advice? :-) I thought you knew Alan Partridge? Never mind! Not every episode - but hey what better time to grab a can of directors, take a dump and then settle down for the box set. Back o' the net.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 12:58:14 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 8, 2020 12:59:48 GMT
This may sound callous but I’m just talking from the number side but that’s not as big an increase as I thought it would be. Still horrible obviously. Yeah, when Sturgeon mentioned it in her briefing it made me wonder how big a difference it had made, so I had a look around. Measure of the times we are all in that if 84 people had died in a plane crash on a Scottish mountain it would be devastating news, now 84 dead seems the norm unbelievably. Also measure of the times how much attention we pay to daily figures. Approx 110,000 people die in care homes in the UK every year. That's approx 300 per day. In normal circumstances no-one would take any notice.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 8, 2020 13:13:55 GMT
Thinking a lot this morning about what sort of world we will inhabit once we begin to emerge from the control measures and restrictions that currently affect daily life. This week we have had the first tentative references to an exit strategy to clear the impositions currently in play. We can then move forward and attempt to restore some sense of "normality" to the world. However I believe that a lot of recognized behaviour patterns will have been changed for ever. Money and cash movements will work quite differently. Apart from the fact that manufacturing industry will be decimated by only a few months of restriction, and we will most probably be heading into a deep global recession, our access to financial services will be significantly changed. People are not being fully or properly paid, if at all, and more families will have to borrow where possible to make ends meet. So we will be faced by quite serious levels of poverty and debt. Even use of money itself will change. Already the small corner shops and newsagents that are open are accepting "card payments only" and are not taking cash or coin, as a health control. It seems that the idea of exchanging money for goods, which was already going out of favour before the crisis, will become a thing of the past, and all transactions will be by credit or debit card only. The concept of contactless payment, which many older people mistrusted, has now become an established thing. The way we shop will certainly change, Not least because many big name retailers will have gone to the wall, and there will be fewer high street stores in both number and variety. Most trade of goods will take place online, and we will get more used to receiving products by home delivery. Firstly, as it has now become accepted as the main form of shopping, and probably because there will be few alternatives. This acceptance will extend to Supermarket and food shopping, as many potential customers have experienced the delights of home shopping and delivery. The days of the daily shop are now probably gone. Even the excuse for this that it is the only time you get out and meet people some days, has now been shown to be unecessary, with people becoming used to new behavioural patterns. If we are working, then our routines will certainly change. There is a huge sector of business in the UK that comes under the umbrella of a "service industry", formerly operated through an office environment. This model will change. It will now have been proved that meetings do not require a physical attendance by individuals to be effective, and technology will dictate the way we work in future. Once the crisis is over I fully expect to be told that my presence might only be needed "at work" for perhaps one day a week and I will required to continue running a satellite home office, with all the implications this might have for domestic life and routines. Whole areas of life will come under review, such as our use of public transport and vehicles. I have not used the car for three weeks, so clearly if I had to I could dispense with it entirely and work totally online. The point is that we are all starting to see things differently and are changing our perceptions of priorities and the pace of life. Because of what we are experiencing, on this day, at this time, at this moment, and indeeed on each and every day now, change has come to Britiain. Do you think so? A news report from Bejing last night showed traffic nose to tail as though Covid 19 was merely an afterthought. Once restrictions are lifted there will be a population just itching to get back in their cars. Because restoring our 'normal freedoms' will take a while there will certainly be a period of adaption until a vaccine is available/herd immunity achieved where some of the things you mention will certainly be in evidence. Some other things may take longer to return - it's hard to see budget flights being available for a while - but to me the great British public seems hard wired to not stopping in. Socially it's a measure of how popular/interesting you are whilst professionally charging around like a blue arsed fly is a measure of how "busy" you are. Without doubt there will be a recession with everything that brings with it. We are at a crossroads and we can emerge a fairer and more compassionate society or we can carry on along the road to even more inequality than there was before. Sadly I fear the latter. This resonates with me. "Indeed, you have to wonder if the virus is so very different from extractive capitalism. It commandeers the manufacturing elements of its hosts, gets them to make stuff for it; kills a fair few, but not enough to stop it spreading. There is no normal for us to go back to. People sleeping in the streets wasn’t normal; children living in poverty wasn’t normal; neither was our taxes helping to bomb the people of Yemen. Using other people’s lives to pile up objects wasn’t normal, the whole thing was absurd. Governments are currently busy pouring money into propping up existing inequalities, and bailing out businesses that have made their shareholders rich. The world’s worst people think that everybody is going to come out of this in a few months and go willingly back into a kind of numbing servitude. Surely it’s time to start imagining something better." --Frankie Boyle That is, the 'normal' was not normal at all.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 8, 2020 13:22:49 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Apr 8, 2020 13:29:42 GMT
Very disappointing
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Post by march4 on Apr 8, 2020 13:30:06 GMT
Terrifying statistics today.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 13:30:53 GMT
The lockdown needs intensifying.
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Post by march4 on Apr 8, 2020 13:31:57 GMT
The lockdown needs intensifying. I agree. Daily Mail saying some ministers want schools to reopen. Are these people stupid?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 8, 2020 13:34:17 GMT
The lockdown needs intensifying. We’ll still have the idiot press asking when the lockdown is coming off today at the brief😡
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 13:35:52 GMT
The lockdown needs intensifying. I agree. Daily Mail saying some ministers want schools to reopen. Are these people stupid? Schools should stay closed until September.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 8, 2020 13:41:35 GMT
I know a lot of people find his tweets comforting, but Karol Sikora’s assertion that we should end lockdown on May 4th and removing wide scale social distancing seems absolutely bat shit insane.
On two grounds, one the peak has still not been reached with deaths and thus the burden on the NHS and intensive care has not peaked. We’d need some convincing data to show that we’re out of that for about a week or 10 days before we even consider ending the lockdown.
Second, removing widespread social distancing before we have any great concept of how many people have actually had this disease, when antibodies can take 4 weeks to develop anyway is just an invitation to a second spike, that if we can’t control will trigger all of this again. Especially if the predicted infection rate in the country has only been around 5% (the upper scale of the Imperial estimate)
He raises some good points, and is good at helping to stop panic, but his thread this morning was self indulgent garbage. All well and good saying “extreme caution” in one breath and thencontradicting it the next by saying resume things in the next.....
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