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Post by Northy on Apr 8, 2020 9:12:38 GMT
What the fuck has that got to do with a artical on the news about bus drivers The London mayor was unable to answer the questions with any credibility What is your opinion on Khan But I will say one thing I will take no lessons on the NHS from labour More privatisation than any tory government Over saw more scandles The disastrous new contracts for GPs that has crippled the NHS at weekends And I shall not go to far into the state of the NHS In Wales Here is the moment two years ago where Tory MP's including some of those currently receiving treatment cheered narrowly winning a vote to keep the cap on nurses pay rises to 1%. And they have the brass fucking neck to clap them. Makes my fucking tits ache. I'd go and see a doctor about that, doesn't sound right that's a joke by the way, in with this current climate of doctor's not seeing minor ailments
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Post by Gob Bluth on Apr 8, 2020 9:12:40 GMT
Pissed off with BBC breakfast turned over to itv Morgan giving Khan a proper going over as why are bus drivers dying In London through lack of ppe Khan's answer well health England and WHO advice they don't need PPE BUT WE ARE DISINFECTING BUSES True labour working for its electorate Fuck me, I've literally heard it all now. You have actual, doctors and nurses saying that PPE is non existent or wank and describing themselves as 'lambs to the slaughter' and you have these hypocritical Tory wankers clapping them on a Thursday night and you blame Labour. Jesus fucking wept Which makes this so strange. Khan an ardent critic of Johnson is doubling down on what looks like a bad decision all round. I understand why the Tories are taking this stance, partly they appear impotent to undo the damage to their initial late reaction to the crisis but I don’t understand Khan’s stance.
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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 8, 2020 9:12:59 GMT
It was only a matter of time before the smarmy bunch focused their sanctimonious views and self righteous manner on other users spelling and grammar. Bored of ridiculing other perspectives and resort to ridiculing the content in which it is presented. How do you know the poster doesn’t suffer from dyslexia or a form of autism? The left at their hypocritical best, you know who you are. Maybe we should have a clip of the Monty Python Sketch, pinned to the top of the message board as a warning to the unwary. "Is this the right room for an argument?" "No, this is Abuse".
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 8, 2020 9:14:07 GMT
What the fuck has that got to do with a artical on the news about bus drivers The London mayor was unable to answer the questions with any credibility What is your opinion on Khan But I will say one thing I will take no lessons on the NHS from labour More privatisation than any tory government Over saw more scandles The disastrous new contracts for GPs that has crippled the NHS at weekends And I shall not go to far into the state of the NHS In Wales Here is the moment two years ago where Tory MP's including some of those currently receiving treatment cheered narrowly winning a vote to keep the cap on nurses pay rises to 1%. And they have the brass fucking neck to clap them. Makes my fucking tits ache. I agree there is no place for hypocrisy in politics I am sure some were happy about the pay rise But I'm sure there was a few who at the time were happy just to win a vote
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Post by Northy on Apr 8, 2020 9:15:02 GMT
don't let your hatred block out what is becoming a story into the science behind it though, that drug has been used for years to help lupus sufferers He's clearly doing it to make money. Because what he says has already killed two people who took some directly but it was the wrong compound and the toxicity killed them. He's dangerous and greedy. did they take it on their own without being prescribed by a doctor? I know I wouldn't take it as I'm allergic to some anti malaria tablets.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 8, 2020 9:19:26 GMT
He's clearly doing it to make money. Because what he says has already killed two people who took some directly but it was the wrong compound and the toxicity killed them. He's dangerous and greedy. did they take it on their own without being prescribed by a doctor? I know I wouldn't take it as I'm allergic to some anti malaria tablets. I think the prescription of drugs in the US is a little more Liberal especially if you have the where with all to pay for it
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 8, 2020 9:20:05 GMT
First time I've ever watched him Morgan should be In jail not proporting to be a self elected people’s champion . Put British soldiers lives at risk in the name of circulation without proper research contemptible he’s allowed the role he is he should wear a traitor card Round his neck every day lest people forget Just an anecdote on Morgan. Watched him on morning tv a couple of months back interviewing a bloke who was saying a key route to managing climate change was less meat farming. Now it doesn't matter what side you're on in this but the role of the interviewer is to let the interviewee put his/ her case forward and then challenge the key points of the arguement. In this case it could be carbon footprint of cattle, land use, alternative food sources food supply chains, agricultural adaptability etc. Whether it was because he hadn't prepared or because he's a narcissistic prick (or both) Morgan simply waded in asking if the guy was a vegetarian - which he confirmed he was. Morgan then drew attention to the fact the guy had a leather strap on his watch and proceeded to pillory the guy for being a 'hypocrite' for the remainder of the entire alotted time - talking over any other points the guy was trying to make because 'who is a hypocrite to lecture the rest of us" As a result no-one watching was any the wiser about what the guy had come on to talk about in the first place because Morgan had made it all about him. Tosser IMHO
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 8, 2020 9:27:00 GMT
Morgan should be In jail not proporting to be a self elected people’s champion . Put British soldiers lives at risk in the name of circulation without proper research contemptible he’s allowed the role he is he should wear a traitor card Round his neck every day lest people forget Just an anecdote on Morgan. Watched him on morning tv a couple of months back interviewing a bloke who was saying a key route to managing climate change was less meat farming. Now it doesn't matter what side you're on in this but the role of the interviewer is to let the interviewee put his/ her case forward and then challenge the key points of the arguement. In this case it could be carbon footprint of cattle, land use, alternative food sources food supply chains, agricultural adaptability etc. Whether it was because he hadn't prepared or because he's a narcissistic prick (or both) Morgan simply waded in asking if the guy was a vegetarian - which he confirmed he was. Morgan then drew attention to the fact the guy had a leather strap on his watch and proceeded to pillory the guy for being a 'hypocrite' for the remainder of the entire alotted time - talking over any other points the guy was trying to make because 'who is a hypocrite to lecture the rest of us" As a result no-one watching was any the wiser about what the guy had come on to talk about in the first place because Morgan had made it all about him. Tosser IMHO He’s a scumbag and is lucky not to be in prison.
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Post by vokeswagen on Apr 8, 2020 9:27:10 GMT
I see one of your alts is back mate Glad to know you're all safe mate and it's good news that there's an army of volunteers out there for those important prescription deliveries to the gang..... Couldn't agree more mate. I'm one of them
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Post by bertiebigguns on Apr 8, 2020 9:29:59 GMT
It was only a matter of time before the smarmy bunch focused their sanctimonious views and self righteous manner on other users spelling and grammar. Bored of ridiculing other perspectives and resort to ridiculing the content in which it is presented. How do you know the poster doesn’t suffer from dyslexia or a form of autism? The left at their hypocritical best, you know who you are. Maybe we should have a clip of the Monty Python Sketch, pinned to the top of the message board as a warning to the unwary. "Is this the right room for an argument?" "No, this is Abuse". Agree, the thread should be accompanied by the following criteria. 1). Only post what the forum mafia agree with. 2). If you are giving an opposing view ensure that evidence is provided, date stamped, signed and supplied only by people who the mafia approve of. 3). Spelling and grammar must be perfect, if your argument makes sense and the mafia don’t like it they will pick apart the way in which it is presented, be warned auto correct is not an excuse. 4) Anomalies will be met with smarmy one liners from the smarmy bunch.
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Post by foster on Apr 8, 2020 9:32:34 GMT
There are spelling mistakes and there are grammar mistakes... ...and then there's taking it to a whole new level and using a entirely different fucking word. I salute you. Foster, shouldn't that be 'an' in front of entirely and not 'a'? Oh look. Here come the fucking grammar / spelling police. Pfft.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 8, 2020 9:38:24 GMT
Just an anecdote on Morgan. Watched him on morning tv a couple of months back interviewing a bloke who was saying a key route to managing climate change was less meat farming. Now it doesn't matter what side you're on in this but the role of the interviewer is to let the interviewee put his/ her case forward and then challenge the key points of the arguement. In this case it could be carbon footprint of cattle, land use, alternative food sources food supply chains, agricultural adaptability etc. Whether it was because he hadn't prepared or because he's a narcissistic prick (or both) Morgan simply waded in asking if the guy was a vegetarian - which he confirmed he was. Morgan then drew attention to the fact the guy had a leather strap on his watch and proceeded to pillory the guy for being a 'hypocrite' for the remainder of the entire alotted time - talking over any other points the guy was trying to make because 'who is a hypocrite to lecture the rest of us" As a result no-one watching was any the wiser about what the guy had come on to talk about in the first place because Morgan had made it all about him. Tosser IMHO He’s a scumbag and is lucky not to be in prison. I'm also sure quite a bit of him has found it's way into Alan Partridge- particularly in "This Time".
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 8, 2020 9:39:40 GMT
Maybe we should have a clip of the Monty Python Sketch, pinned to the top of the message board as a warning to the unwary. "Is this the right room for an argument?" "No, this is Abuse". Agree, the thread should be accompanied by the following criteria. 1). Only post what the forum mafia agree with. 2). If you are giving an opposing view ensure that evidence is provided, date stamped, signed and supplied only by people who the mafia approve of. 3). Spelling and grammar must be perfect, if your argument makes sense and the mafia don’t like it they will pick apart the way in which it is presented, be warned auto correct is not an excuse. 4) Anomalies will be met with smarmy one liners from the smarmy bunch. Lets name and shame !!! 1) - Whose in 'the maffia forum' ? 2) - does 'Bobs ramblings on the back of a beer mat from down the Dog and Duck' count ? 3) - If you argue with yourslef, dus this kount? 4) - Again, whose in 'The smarmy bunch'? (If Im not in al least one of these I'll be highly miffed !)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 9:43:22 GMT
Just an anecdote on Morgan. Watched him on morning tv a couple of months back interviewing a bloke who was saying a key route to managing climate change was less meat farming. Now it doesn't matter what side you're on in this but the role of the interviewer is to let the interviewee put his/ her case forward and then challenge the key points of the arguement. In this case it could be carbon footprint of cattle, land use, alternative food sources food supply chains, agricultural adaptability etc. Whether it was because he hadn't prepared or because he's a narcissistic prick (or both) Morgan simply waded in asking if the guy was a vegetarian - which he confirmed he was. Morgan then drew attention to the fact the guy had a leather strap on his watch and proceeded to pillory the guy for being a 'hypocrite' for the remainder of the entire alotted time - talking over any other points the guy was trying to make because 'who is a hypocrite to lecture the rest of us" As a result no-one watching was any the wiser about what the guy had come on to talk about in the first place because Morgan had made it all about him. Tosser IMHO He’s a scumbag and is lucky not to be in prison. For wearing a leather strap on his watch? Bit harsh that......
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Post by Gob Bluth on Apr 8, 2020 9:44:36 GMT
Morgan should be In jail not proporting to be a self elected people’s champion . Put British soldiers lives at risk in the name of circulation without proper research contemptible he’s allowed the role he is he should wear a traitor card Round his neck every day lest people forget Just an anecdote on Morgan. Watched him on morning tv a couple of months back interviewing a bloke who was saying a key route to managing climate change was less meat farming. Now it doesn't matter what side you're on in this but the role of the interviewer is to let the interviewee put his/ her case forward and then challenge the key points of the arguement. In this case it could be carbon footprint of cattle, land use, alternative food sources food supply chains, agricultural adaptability etc. Whether it was because he hadn't prepared or because he's a narcissistic prick (or both) Morgan simply waded in asking if the guy was a vegetarian - which he confirmed he was. Morgan then drew attention to the fact the guy had a leather strap on his watch and proceeded to pillory the guy for being a 'hypocrite' for the remainder of the entire alotted time - talking over any other points the guy was trying to make because 'who is a hypocrite to lecture the rest of us" As a result no-one watching was any the wiser about what the guy had come on to talk about in the first place because Morgan had made it all about him. Tosser IMHO How he can be deemed fit to continue in the media is beyond me with his history, it’s is a sad indictment for this country and ITV.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 8, 2020 9:53:42 GMT
Just an anecdote on Morgan. Watched him on morning tv a couple of months back interviewing a bloke who was saying a key route to managing climate change was less meat farming. Now it doesn't matter what side you're on in this but the role of the interviewer is to let the interviewee put his/ her case forward and then challenge the key points of the arguement. In this case it could be carbon footprint of cattle, land use, alternative food sources food supply chains, agricultural adaptability etc. Whether it was because he hadn't prepared or because he's a narcissistic prick (or both) Morgan simply waded in asking if the guy was a vegetarian - which he confirmed he was. Morgan then drew attention to the fact the guy had a leather strap on his watch and proceeded to pillory the guy for being a 'hypocrite' for the remainder of the entire alotted time - talking over any other points the guy was trying to make because 'who is a hypocrite to lecture the rest of us" As a result no-one watching was any the wiser about what the guy had come on to talk about in the first place because Morgan had made it all about him. Tosser IMHO How he can be deemed fit to continue in the media is beyond me with his history, it’s is a sad indictment for this country and ITV. As despicable as he evidently is he's probably good for viewing figures which, at the end of the day, is all the people paying for the advertising space care about.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 8, 2020 9:59:35 GMT
Morgan should be In jail not proporting to be a self elected people’s champion . Put British soldiers lives at risk in the name of circulation without proper research contemptible he’s allowed the role he is he should wear a traitor card Round his neck every day lest people forget Just an anecdote on Morgan. Watched him on morning tv a couple of months back interviewing a bloke who was saying a key route to managing climate change was less meat farming. Now it doesn't matter what side you're on in this but the role of the interviewer is to let the interviewee put his/ her case forward and then challenge the key points of the arguement. In this case it could be carbon footprint of cattle, land use, alternative food sources food supply chains, agricultural adaptability etc. Whether it was because he hadn't prepared or because he's a narcissistic prick (or both) Morgan simply waded in asking if the guy was a vegetarian - which he confirmed he was. Morgan then drew attention to the fact the guy had a leather strap on his watch and proceeded to pillory the guy for being a 'hypocrite' for the remainder of the entire alotted time - talking over any other points the guy was trying to make because 'who is a hypocrite to lecture the rest of us" As a result no-one watching was any the wiser about what the guy had come on to talk about in the first place because Morgan had made it all about him. Tosser IMHO I read your post and enjoyed it. But, can I say, I don't think anecdotes are your forte........
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Post by Northy on Apr 8, 2020 10:03:52 GMT
How he can be deemed fit to continue in the media is beyond me with his history, it’s is a sad indictment for this country and ITV. As despicable as he evidently is he's probably good for viewing figures which, at the end of the day, is all the people paying for the advertising space care about. If I ever thought of watching that programme it would be because Susanna Reid is on, and not that twat Morgan
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Post by longtonlad67 on Apr 8, 2020 10:05:39 GMT
Well did you watch the interview with Khan? stated he had been taking advice off the health England and the world health organisation And had been instructed that it wasn't necessary for bus drivers to have full ppe There was then a couple of harrowing story's where the alleged deep cleaning of the buses hadn't been done properly You've accused people criticising government strategy of politicising things then just done that as the Mayor of London is a Labour politician. I didn't see the interview, but for the record I think Khan has been slow to focus his attention on knife crime even though police cuts has played a significant part in the increase. He should have made it his number one priority and it seemed to me like it wasn't. So I would be extremely critical of him on that point. I don't know enough about other issues specific to London to praise or criticise him, but as a politician I would put him in the "all fur coat and no knickers" category..... It's obvious why Khan, a Labour politician, hasn't made knife crime his number one priority. The targeted approach required wouldn't sit easily with the voters than keep Labour in power in many London constituencies. It's easier for him shift the on blame police cuts even though the statistics show that knife crime was at the same level, if not higher, in the mid 2000s despite the police having more resources. Khan needs to explain why having more police now would lower knife crime when it clearly wasn't the solution in the 2000s. There's a big difference between this topic and what's happening with Coronavirus. The vast majority of the decision making linked to battling the virus is the responsibility of the experts and the government has to act on their advice. Coronavirus is far too important for leaders and governments to play politics with so this is where the experts play their part. We're already seeing certain unions and organisations trying to deflect failings onto the government even though it's painfully obvious that it's the service or organisation that they represent that have made and continue to make mistakes. This is the bad side of unions. How can any service or organisation improve if unions continue to defend their shortcomings and fight against change? Now is the time to ensure that the services helping us fight the spread of this virus are supported and any failings acted on quickly. The blaming and mud-slinging can happen when it's all over but if there's one thing that we need to do it's to remove politics from the lessons learnt exercise and apportion blame correctly. It's the only way that our government and services will improve. I'm more than pleased that Corbyn has given way to Starmer because Starmer has already provided a refreshing change in the manner in which he will work with the government. To the very end Corbyn wanted to sit in the background and let the government take the hit for everything. He made no effort to offer assistance and made it clear that his party's role was to judge the government during the crisis. Odious and bitter to the very end. Khan, as Mayor of London, has played an active role in the fight Coronavirus unlike many on the opposition benches so should be applauded. It seems he too is fair game for the mud-slingers.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 8, 2020 10:08:15 GMT
Just an anecdote on Morgan. Watched him on morning tv a couple of months back interviewing a bloke who was saying a key route to managing climate change was less meat farming. Now it doesn't matter what side you're on in this but the role of the interviewer is to let the interviewee put his/ her case forward and then challenge the key points of the arguement. In this case it could be carbon footprint of cattle, land use, alternative food sources food supply chains, agricultural adaptability etc. Whether it was because he hadn't prepared or because he's a narcissistic prick (or both) Morgan simply waded in asking if the guy was a vegetarian - which he confirmed he was. Morgan then drew attention to the fact the guy had a leather strap on his watch and proceeded to pillory the guy for being a 'hypocrite' for the remainder of the entire alotted time - talking over any other points the guy was trying to make because 'who is a hypocrite to lecture the rest of us" As a result no-one watching was any the wiser about what the guy had come on to talk about in the first place because Morgan had made it all about him. Tosser IMHO I read your post and enjoyed it. But, can I say, I don't think anecdotes are your forte........ Well on the basis that I can't really stop you saying it (and you've already said it anyway) - then Yes. Any other literary advice? :-)
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 8, 2020 10:13:01 GMT
Piers Morgan is a vile piece of work and has always been the same. Some of us have long memories and we recall his decision to publish faked photos of our squaddies torturing Iraqis when he was editor of the Daily Mirror. He refused to apologise afterwards, saying his knowledge of our soldiers was exactly like the fake photos depicted. Add to that his many other duplicitous editorial publications and his involvement in the phone hacking scandal, and you end up with someone who should be serving a long term in prison.
But then we should ask the question... Knowing his background, why would anyone employ the toerag?
OS.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 10:20:45 GMT
You've accused people criticising government strategy of politicising things then just done that as the Mayor of London is a Labour politician. I didn't see the interview, but for the record I think Khan has been slow to focus his attention on knife crime even though police cuts has played a significant part in the increase. He should have made it his number one priority and it seemed to me like it wasn't. So I would be extremely critical of him on that point. I don't know enough about other issues specific to London to praise or criticise him, but as a politician I would put him in the "all fur coat and no knickers" category..... It's obvious why Khan, a Labour politician, hasn't made knife crime his number one priority. The targeted approach required wouldn't sit easily with the voters than keep Labour in power in many London constituencies. It's easier for him shift the on blame police cuts even though the statistics show that knife crime was at the same level, if not higher, in the mid 2000s despite the police having more resources. Khan needs to explain why having more police now would lower knife crime when it clearly wasn't the solution in the 2000s. There's a big difference between this topic and what's happening with Coronavirus. The vast majority of the decision making linked to battling the virus is the responsibility of the experts and the government has to act on their advice. Coronavirus is far too important for leaders and governments to play politics with so this is where the experts play their part. We're already seeing certain unions and organisations trying to deflect failings onto the government even though it's painfully obvious that it's the service or organisation that they represent that have made and continue to make mistakes. This is the bad side of unions. How can any service or organisation improve if unions continue to defend their shortcomings and fight against change? Now is the time to ensure that the services helping us fight the spread of this virus are supported and any failings acted on quickly. The blaming and mud-slinging can happen when it's all over but if there's one thing that we need to do it's to remove politics from the lessons learnt exercise and apportion blame correctly. It's the only way that our government and services will improve. I'm more than pleased that Corbyn has given way to Starmer because Starmer has already provided a refreshing change in the manner in which he will work with the government. To the very end Corbyn wanted to sit in the background and let the government take the hit for everything. He made no effort to offer assistance and made it clear that his party's role was to judge the government during the crisis. Odious and bitter to the very end. If knife crime was the same or higher in the 2000's then why are you criticising Khan then? Sounds like he's doing at least as good a job as his predecessors from what you're saying? I'm intrigued how you're trying to put part of the blame on the unions, please elaborate.......
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Post by vokeswagen on Apr 8, 2020 10:27:43 GMT
You've accused people criticising government strategy of politicising things then just done that as the Mayor of London is a Labour politician. I didn't see the interview, but for the record I think Khan has been slow to focus his attention on knife crime even though police cuts has played a significant part in the increase. He should have made it his number one priority and it seemed to me like it wasn't. So I would be extremely critical of him on that point. I don't know enough about other issues specific to London to praise or criticise him, but as a politician I would put him in the "all fur coat and no knickers" category..... It's obvious why Khan, a Labour politician, hasn't made knife crime his number one priority. The targeted approach required wouldn't sit easily with the voters than keep Labour in power in many London constituencies. It's easier for him shift the on blame police cuts even though the statistics show that knife crime was at the same level, if not higher, in the mid 2000s despite the police having more resources. Khan needs to explain why having more police now would lower knife crime when it clearly wasn't the solution in the 2000s. There's a big difference between this topic and what's happening with Coronavirus. The vast majority of the decision making linked to battling the virus is the responsibility of the experts and the government has to act on their advice. Coronavirus is far too important for leaders and governments to play politics with so this is where the experts play their part. We're already seeing certain unions and organisations trying to deflect failings onto the government even though it's painfully obvious that it's the service or organisation that they represent that have made and continue to make mistakes. This is the bad side of unions. How can any service or organisation improve if unions continue to defend their shortcomings and fight against change? Now is the time to ensure that the services helping us fight the spread of this virus are supported and any failings acted on quickly. The blaming and mud-slinging can happen when it's all over but if there's one thing that we need to do it's to remove politics from the lessons learnt exercise and apportion blame correctly. It's the only way that our government and services will improve. I'm more than pleased that Corbyn has given way to Starmer because Starmer has already provided a refreshing change in the manner in which he will work with the government. To the very end Corbyn wanted to sit in the background and let the government take the hit for everything. He made no effort to offer assistance and made it clear that his party's role was to judge the government during the crisis. Odious and bitter to the very end. Khan, as Mayor of London, has played an active role in the fight Coronavirus unlike many on the opposition benches so should be applauded. It seems he too is fair game for the mud-slingers. How would it be possible to remove politics from the lessons learned when political decisions and policies will have directly affected our ability to manage the situation, for better or worse?
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Post by longtonlad67 on Apr 8, 2020 10:32:18 GMT
It's obvious why Khan, a Labour politician, hasn't made knife crime his number one priority. The targeted approach required wouldn't sit easily with the voters than keep Labour in power in many London constituencies. It's easier for him shift the on blame police cuts even though the statistics show that knife crime was at the same level, if not higher, in the mid 2000s despite the police having more resources. Khan needs to explain why having more police now would lower knife crime when it clearly wasn't the solution in the 2000s. There's a big difference between this topic and what's happening with Coronavirus. The vast majority of the decision making linked to battling the virus is the responsibility of the experts and the government has to act on their advice. Coronavirus is far too important for leaders and governments to play politics with so this is where the experts play their part. We're already seeing certain unions and organisations trying to deflect failings onto the government even though it's painfully obvious that it's the service or organisation that they represent that have made and continue to make mistakes. This is the bad side of unions. How can any service or organisation improve if unions continue to defend their shortcomings and fight against change? Now is the time to ensure that the services helping us fight the spread of this virus are supported and any failings acted on quickly. The blaming and mud-slinging can happen when it's all over but if there's one thing that we need to do it's to remove politics from the lessons learnt exercise and apportion blame correctly. It's the only way that our government and services will improve. I'm more than pleased that Corbyn has given way to Starmer because Starmer has already provided a refreshing change in the manner in which he will work with the government. To the very end Corbyn wanted to sit in the background and let the government take the hit for everything. He made no effort to offer assistance and made it clear that his party's role was to judge the government during the crisis. Odious and bitter to the very end. If knife crime was the same or higher in the 2000's then why are you criticising Khan then? Sounds like he's doing at least as good a job as his predecessors from what you're saying? I'm intrigued how you're trying to put part of the blame on the unions, please elaborate....... I'm criticising Khan because he's tried to shift the blame, as have the opposition in general, on police resourcing which I thought was obvious in the post. If the statistics proved him right then good on him but they don't so he's playing politics rather than getting to the root of the problem. The union issue is one that's raised its head in the press over the last few days where certain unions have criticised the government for 'blaming' certain services for failings. In this current crisis unions need to play fair with the government if the service or organisation they support have come short. Unions need to protect their members fairly and not pick a fight if their members may be to blame.
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Post by longtonlad67 on Apr 8, 2020 10:36:17 GMT
It's obvious why Khan, a Labour politician, hasn't made knife crime his number one priority. The targeted approach required wouldn't sit easily with the voters than keep Labour in power in many London constituencies. It's easier for him shift the on blame police cuts even though the statistics show that knife crime was at the same level, if not higher, in the mid 2000s despite the police having more resources. Khan needs to explain why having more police now would lower knife crime when it clearly wasn't the solution in the 2000s. There's a big difference between this topic and what's happening with Coronavirus. The vast majority of the decision making linked to battling the virus is the responsibility of the experts and the government has to act on their advice. Coronavirus is far too important for leaders and governments to play politics with so this is where the experts play their part. We're already seeing certain unions and organisations trying to deflect failings onto the government even though it's painfully obvious that it's the service or organisation that they represent that have made and continue to make mistakes. This is the bad side of unions. How can any service or organisation improve if unions continue to defend their shortcomings and fight against change? Now is the time to ensure that the services helping us fight the spread of this virus are supported and any failings acted on quickly. The blaming and mud-slinging can happen when it's all over but if there's one thing that we need to do it's to remove politics from the lessons learnt exercise and apportion blame correctly. It's the only way that our government and services will improve. I'm more than pleased that Corbyn has given way to Starmer because Starmer has already provided a refreshing change in the manner in which he will work with the government. To the very end Corbyn wanted to sit in the background and let the government take the hit for everything. He made no effort to offer assistance and made it clear that his party's role was to judge the government during the crisis. Odious and bitter to the very end. Khan, as Mayor of London, has played an active role in the fight Coronavirus unlike many on the opposition benches so should be applauded. It seems he too is fair game for the mud-slingers. How would it be possible to remove politics from the lessons learned when political decisions and policies will have directly affected our ability to manage the situation, for better or worse? I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I don't want the lessons learnt process to have a political bias and be politically driven. It needs to be warts and all so if the government have made mistakes then that needs to come out or if services\organisations have made mistakes they too are noted.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 8, 2020 10:43:45 GMT
Thinking a lot this morning about what sort of world we will inhabit once we begin to emerge from the control measures and restrictions that currently affect daily life. This week we have had the first tentative references to an exit strategy to clear the impositions currently in play. We can then move forward and attempt to restore some sense of "normality" to the world. However I believe that a lot of recognized behaviour patterns will have been changed for ever. Money and cash movements will work quite differently. Apart from the fact that manufacturing industry will be decimated by only a few months of restriction, and we will most probably be heading into a deep global recession, our access to financial services will be significantly changed. People are not being fully or properly paid, if at all, and more families will have to borrow where possible to make ends meet. So we will be faced by quite serious levels of poverty and debt. Even use of money itself will change. Already the small corner shops and newsagents that are open are accepting "card payments only" and are not taking cash or coin, as a health control. It seems that the idea of exchanging money for goods, which was already going out of favour before the crisis, will become a thing of the past, and all transactions will be by credit or debit card only. The concept of contactless payment, which many older people mistrusted, has now become an established thing. The way we shop will certainly change, Not least because many big name retailers will have gone to the wall, and there will be fewer high street stores in both number and variety. Most trade of goods will take place online, and we will get more used to receiving products by home delivery. Firstly, as it has now become accepted as the main form of shopping, and probably because there will be few alternatives. This acceptance will extend to Supermarket and food shopping, as many potential customers have experienced the delights of home shopping and delivery. The days of the daily shop are now probably gone. Even the excuse for this that it is the only time you get out and meet people some days, has now been shown to be unecessary, with people becoming used to new behavioural patterns. If we are working, then our routines will certainly change. There is a huge sector of business in the UK that comes under the umbrella of a "service industry", formerly operated through an office environment. This model will change. It will now have been proved that meetings do not require a physical attendance by individuals to be effective, and technology will dictate the way we work in future. Once the crisis is over I fully expect to be told that my presence might only be needed "at work" for perhaps one day a week and I will required to continue running a satellite home office, with all the implications this might have for domestic life and routines. Whole areas of life will come under review, such as our use of public transport and vehicles. I have not used the car for three weeks, so clearly if I had to I could dispense with it entirely and work totally online. The point is that we are all starting to see things differently and are changing our perceptions of priorities and the pace of life. Because of what we are experiencing, on this day, at this time, at this moment, and indeeed on each and every day now, change has come to Britiain. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 10:44:06 GMT
If knife crime was the same or higher in the 2000's then why are you criticising Khan then? Sounds like he's doing at least as good a job as his predecessors from what you're saying? I'm intrigued how you're trying to put part of the blame on the unions, please elaborate....... I'm criticising Khan because he's tried to shift the blame, as have the opposition in general, on police resourcing which I thought was obvious in the post. If the statistics proved him right then good on him but they don't so he's playing politics rather than getting to the root of the problem. The union issue is one that's raised its head in the press over the last few days where certain unions have criticised the government for 'blaming' certain services for failings. In this current crisis unions need to play fair with the government if the service or organisation they support have come short. Unions need to protect their members fairly and not pick a fight if their members may be to blame. Don't get why he'd need to shift the blame based on numbers being the same or even lower than when he took over? That's where I'm getting confused. I thought there was a 5,000 increase between 2015 and 2019 in recorded knife crimes in London, they're the stats I'm looking at? And I'm suggesting that of course police cuts would have an impact on that but also that Khan has been poor in concentrating his efforts on ways of solving the crisis. You seem to be saying that increase doesn't exist? How are the unions not playing fair sorry you've lost me? For example bus drivers are dying of Coronavirus almost daily because of their exposure to the general public and their lack of PPE. Why would a union representing those drivers not criticise both the company their members work for and the government for their lack of intervention on this? They wouldn't be representing their members properly if they didn't......
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 8, 2020 11:04:51 GMT
Glad to know you're all safe mate and it's good news that there's an army of volunteers out there for those important prescription deliveries to the gang..... Couldn't agree more mate. I'm one of them You’re an army of volunteers? I guess that is possible.
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Post by vokeswagen on Apr 8, 2020 11:13:51 GMT
Couldn't agree more mate. I'm one of them You’re an army of volunteers? I guess that is possible. You're not very bright are you mate
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Post by musik on Apr 8, 2020 11:17:20 GMT
On the text tv news today: "Many people have Corona without knowing it".
And The People Health Agency and Anders Tegnell today on TV declared 9 out of 10 people with Corona symptoms have NO SYMPTOMS. Or at least minor symptoms.
And on the radio earlier he said to find out who's going to have a severe version of it depends on the medical history of the person in question, does he/she take long to recover from the flu usually, then it might be severe to catch Corona.
(B$#$$&y H@#&!! I always get 39.5-41.2°C fever for 2 weeks, then less fever the last third week when having a flu and I very easily get pnemonia.)
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