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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 8:24:29 GMT
Well being in the eu buying plan has so far done Italy and Spain the world of good I mean that logic is flawless. Christ on a bike
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Post by Veritas on Mar 31, 2020 8:27:14 GMT
Well being in the eu buying plan has so far done Italy and Spain the world of good Flu pandemic has long been identified as the number 1 threat to the UK and as such government has considered how to prepare. As part of this the NHS were advised to build up stockpiles of PPE, this advice was not acted upon due to the cost.
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Post by henry on Mar 31, 2020 8:27:45 GMT
Well being in the eu buying plan has so far done Italy and Spain the world of good I mean that logic is flawless. Christ on a bike Are our doctors deciding who gets a ventilator ?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 31, 2020 8:28:27 GMT
What do you want them to do, just pretend that there isn't a virus out there that can kill you? They can't just magic it away, what do you want them to do? I'm just being realistic paul, people have never been ordered to stay indoors in recent generations. I agree with Gods in that for all the staying indoors there will be repercussions, it's too strict imo to be realistic. I've seen a report this morning that the deaths to infections rate is lower then previously thought at 0.66% and influenza is 0.1%. Looking back I think I've allready had something similar earlier in the year, I'm not one for suffering with flu or even a cold for that matter but in either december or january I was ill with a fever and was coffing like a dog, it knocked me off my feet for a few days, couldnt sleep through coughing so hard. I think if the nation was tested the whole scare fest the media are using would be dialuted somewhat as true figures of infections v deaths would be known Staying in is not about exactly how deadly this thing is to the individual. We are not supposed to be staying in because we fear the virus ourselves. Its all about the ability of the health services to cope with the numbers of acute cases. That is when the death rate will rise, when there are not enough ventilators. This is a clunky concept for an atomised and highly individualistic culture, such as we are now, to retain, but it's none the less true.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 31, 2020 8:31:05 GMT
Coronavirus is also much more infectious so without the social distancing and self isolating people are both more likely to get it and then die from it if they do. Thing is if it has been 'knocking about' since late 2019 early 2020 the number of infected that have been undiagnosed could be colossal, I just put mine down to bad seasonal flu and never rang the doctor, few days later it was gone. Closing the gate after the horse has bolted comes to mind
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 8:37:17 GMT
I mean that logic is flawless. Christ on a bike Are our doctors deciding who gets a ventilator ? Not yet and lets hope it doesn't get to that but that has sod all to do with that scheme.
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Post by foster on Mar 31, 2020 8:39:39 GMT
Well being in the eu buying plan has so far done Italy and Spain the world of good Shit example to use as unfortunately for them they bore the brunt of the initial infections. Let's see how all the other member states that had less or as much lead time as the UK fare. You could safely assume that had the UK been the first to suffer infections (like Italy) that the fatality rate here would be the same or worse based on the sluggish reaction of our government.
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Post by henry on Mar 31, 2020 8:39:44 GMT
Are our doctors deciding who gets a ventilator ? Not yet and lets hope it doesn't get to that but that has sod all to do with that scheme. Maybe Italy and Spain would have been better contacting engineering firms to develop and produce ventilators instead of waiting for the EU to dish out theirs.
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Post by henry on Mar 31, 2020 8:41:49 GMT
Well being in the eu buying plan has so far done Italy and Spain the world of good Shit example to use as unfortunately for them they bore the brunt of the initial infections. Let's see how all the other member states that had less or as much lead time as the UK fare. You could safely assume that had the UK been the first to suffer infections (like Italy) that the fatality rate here would be the same or worse based on the sluggish reaction of our government. Total conjecture.
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Post by foster on Mar 31, 2020 8:43:19 GMT
Shit example to use as unfortunately for them they bore the brunt of the initial infections. Let's see how all the other member states that had less or as much lead time as the UK fare. You could safely assume that had the UK been the first to suffer infections (like Italy) that the fatality rate here would be the same or worse based on the sluggish reaction of our government. Total conjecture. Your point is still a load of shit though.
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Post by Davef on Mar 31, 2020 8:43:35 GMT
Coronavirus is also much more infectious so without the social distancing and self isolating people are both more likely to get it and then die from it if they do. Thing is if it has been 'knocking about' since late 2019 early 2020 the number of infected that have been undiagnosed could be colossal, I just put mine down to bad seasonal flu and never rang the doctor, few days later it was gone. Closing the gate after the horse has bolted comes to mind You can't just assume your illness was Covid-19. The only way you'll find out is if you manage to get an antibody test. 112,000 people have tested negative for the virus in the U.K. If we're assuming you can multiply the positive cases by five or ten, then you have to do the same with the negative tests.
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Post by foster on Mar 31, 2020 8:44:15 GMT
Not yet and lets hope it doesn't get to that but that has sod all to do with that scheme. Maybe Italy and Spain would have been better contacting engineering firms to develop and produce ventilators instead of waiting for the EU to dish out theirs. Total conjecture.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 8:44:26 GMT
Not yet and lets hope it doesn't get to that but that has sod all to do with that scheme. Maybe Italy and Spain would have been better contacting engineering firms to develop and produce ventilators instead of waiting for the EU to dish out theirs. Again, it's not got anything to do with that has it? And do we know that they haven't?
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Post by henry on Mar 31, 2020 8:47:30 GMT
Maybe Italy and Spain would have been better contacting engineering firms to develop and produce ventilators instead of waiting for the EU to dish out theirs. Total conjecture. Why ? Their doctors are having to chose who gets a ventilator, ours aren't, and hopefully when the big firms get the production going they won't have to.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 31, 2020 8:52:41 GMT
Coronavirus is also much more infectious so without the social distancing and self isolating people are both more likely to get it and then die from it if they do. Thing is if it has been 'knocking about' since late 2019 early 2020 the number of infected that have been undiagnosed could be colossal, I just put mine down to bad seasonal flu and never rang the doctor, few days later it was gone. Closing the gate after the horse has bolted comes to mind So, to be clear, your solution would be to let everyone catch it and see how things turn out?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 8:53:21 GMT
Why ? Their doctors are having to chose who gets a ventilator, ours aren't, and hopefully when the big firms get the production going they won't have to. Are you on a wind up or just a bit dense?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 31, 2020 8:53:54 GMT
Thing is if it has been 'knocking about' since late 2019 early 2020 the number of infected that have been undiagnosed could be colossal, I just put mine down to bad seasonal flu and never rang the doctor, few days later it was gone. Closing the gate after the horse has bolted comes to mind You can't just assume your illness was Covid-19. The only way you'll find out is if you manage to get an antibody test. 112,000 people have tested negative for the virus in the U.K. If we're assuming you can multiply the positive cases by five or ten, then you have to do the same with the negative tests. I've not really been following the stats tbh dave because I dont think they can be accurate until proper testing has been done but I do agree with the notion that lots may well of had very mild symptoms and not even known about it, believing it to be seasonal flu. Stoke-on-trent for example what have we had so far for a population of 300'000, a handful of deaths? It's too many I agree but how many do we lose to seasonal flu a year, again I have no idea. Only people who have reported symptoms have been tested only recently for this strain, thousands showing symptoms earlier in the year will not have been tested
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Post by foster on Mar 31, 2020 8:56:21 GMT
Why ? Their doctors are having to chose who gets a ventilator, ours aren't, and hopefully when the big firms get the production going they won't have to. Because if you think Italy and Spain haven't been trying their best to get medical equipment by any means possible then you're a fucking idiot. Instead of making a bullshit and quite sickening comparison between the UK and two countries that had almost no prep time, how about comparing the UK to other EU countries (Germany for example) that have had a similar time to prepare as us.
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Post by henry on Mar 31, 2020 9:04:31 GMT
Why ? Their doctors are having to chose who gets a ventilator, ours aren't, and hopefully when the big firms get the production going they won't have to. Because if you think Italy and Spain haven't been trying their best to get medical equipment by any means possible then you're a fucking idiot. Instead of making a bullshit and quite sickening comparison between the UK and two countries that had almost no prep time, how about comparing the UK to other EU countries (Germany for example) that have had a similar time to prepare as us. It was a response to Bayern criticizing the UK for not being in the EU scheme. I haven't said Italy and Spain haven't done the best they could do, both countries have been let down by a shocking lack of equipment and facilities. Nice insults by the way.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 9:05:02 GMT
Because if you think Italy and Spain haven't been trying their best to get medical equipment by any means possible then you're a fucking idiot. Instead of making a bullshit and quite sickening comparison between the UK and two countries that had almost no prep time, how about comparing the UK to other EU countries (Germany for example) that have had a similar time to prepare as us. It was a response to Bayern criticizing the UK for not being in the EU scheme. I haven't said Italy and Spain haven't done the best they could do, both countries have been let down by a shocking lack of equipment and facilities. Nice insults by the way. Yeah and it's a puddled response.
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Post by whakka on Mar 31, 2020 9:06:37 GMT
Your point is still a load of shit though. as is yours.
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 31, 2020 9:08:36 GMT
Well being in the eu buying plan has so far done Italy and Spain the world of good Shit example to use as unfortunately for them they bore the brunt of the initial infections. Let's see how all the other member states that had less or as much lead time as the UK fare. You could safely assume that had the UK been the first to suffer infections (like Italy) that the fatality rate here would be the same or worse based on the sluggish reaction of our government. Italy's 1st reported case was 29th Jan, Spain and the UK was 30th Jan. We all had the same time didn't we ?
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Post by henry on Mar 31, 2020 9:13:00 GMT
It was a response to Bayern criticizing the UK for not being in the EU scheme. I haven't said Italy and Spain haven't done the best they could do, both countries have been let down by a shocking lack of equipment and facilities. Nice insults by the way. Yeah and it's a puddled response. The horror thats going on in Italy and Spain and you try to point score by making out we would be in a better position if we were in the EU scheme. Why's that puddled ? don't you like others having a different view point ? It's you thats on a wind up.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 31, 2020 9:14:17 GMT
Why ? Their doctors are having to chose who gets a ventilator, ours aren't, and hopefully when the big firms get the production going they won't have to. Because if you think Italy and Spain haven't been trying their best to get medical equipment by any means possible then you're a fucking idiot. Instead of making a bullshit and quite sickening comparison between the UK and two countries that had almost no prep time, how about comparing the UK to other EU countries (Germany for example) that have had a similar time to prepare as us. We are or have been told around three weeks behind Italy What would you suggest is the ammout of ppe and ventilators Italy could of sourced if they had three weeks more notice Ist case Italy 30/01/20 1st case UK 31/01/20 1st case Spain 01/02/20 It is very easy to knock the governments handling of this
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Post by foster on Mar 31, 2020 9:14:49 GMT
Your point is still a load of shit though. as is yours. Whose alter ego are you supposed to be?
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Post by bertiebigguns on Mar 31, 2020 9:16:42 GMT
I'm just being realistic paul, people have never been ordered to stay indoors in recent generations. I agree with Gods in that for all the staying indoors there will be repercussions, it's too strict imo to be realistic. I've seen a report this morning that the deaths to infections rate is lower then previously thought at 0.66% and influenza is 0.1%. Looking back I think I've allready had something similar earlier in the year, I'm not one for suffering with flu or even a cold for that matter but in either december or january I was ill with a fever and was coffing like a dog, it knocked me off my feet for a few days, couldnt sleep through coughing so hard. I think if the nation was tested the whole scare fest the media are using would be dialuted somewhat as true figures of infections v deaths would be known Staying in is not about exactly how deadly this thing is to the individual. We are not supposed to be staying in because we fear the virus ourselves. Its all about the ability of the health services to cope with the numbers of acute cases. That is when the death rate will rise, when there are not enough ventilators. This is a clunky concept for an atomised and highly individualistic culture, such as we are now, to retain, but it's none the less true. I think categorising the loss of people’s businesses, jobs, children’s education, mental health, isolation for the vulnerable/elderly and removing the very basic of social behaviour into the selfish culture that you perceive people to have is way off the mark. What we need to establish is whether the UK mortality rate has significantly increased since this outbreak went to press or if it hadn’t received the global attention and media whitewash that it has had, would it be acknowledged as a slight increase in statistics for seasonal viruses at this time of year? Once the Nightingale facilities have been established and are operational, this will alleviate the pressure on local hospitals and provide the buffer that is required to get us out of this dormant state and put is in a better position to consolidate our strategy and support other nations as required. For the critical amongst us, who can’t wait to twist the knife into the government that are protecting us whilst maintaining our dignity and self worth, spare a thought for the people in India who have gone into extreme lockdown with 4 hours notice. If the best you can do is mock the charisma of our Foreign Secretary then we are in a pretty good place nationally but personally speaking you’re a fucking embarrassment.
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Post by Gods on Mar 31, 2020 9:20:17 GMT
Coronavirus is also much more infectious so without the social distancing and self isolating people are both more likely to get it and then die from it if they do. That's it. It's new and diffetent so unlike flu we have not built up any nationwide immunity. Catch 22 isn't it? We have to catch it to build up immunity but if we do catch it a small number of us are in big trouble. I think that's the strategy in a nutshell though. Cocoon the vulnerable but allow it to permeate through the rest of us but not so fast it sinks the NHS. I mean it's not going away. Even when a vaccine comes along in say 18 months it will I presume only be given to older or vulnerable people as a matter of course like a flu jab.
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Post by foster on Mar 31, 2020 9:20:47 GMT
Shit example to use as unfortunately for them they bore the brunt of the initial infections. Let's see how all the other member states that had less or as much lead time as the UK fare. You could safely assume that had the UK been the first to suffer infections (like Italy) that the fatality rate here would be the same or worse based on the sluggish reaction of our government. Italy's 1st reported case was 29th Jan, Spain and the UK was 30th Jan. We all had the same time didn't we ? Oh right. So what you're saying is that by us doing nothing in February and them doing something in February that this led to us having less cases. Italy had a massive outbreak of infections and symptoms that we didn't have at the start of this crisis. Symptoms don't have to start showing before 2 weeks and Italy clearly had many more infections than we had back in January and February. This is clearly illustrated by the infections rates in Feb where we did nothing to prevent the spread of infections but still had much less cases of COVID than they did.
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Post by whakka on Mar 31, 2020 9:21:17 GMT
Whose alter ego are you supposed to be? just stating a opinion others are aloud I presume
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 9:22:25 GMT
Yeah and it's a puddled response. The horror thats going on in Italy and Spain and you try to point score by making out we would be in a better position if we were in the EU scheme. Why's that puddled ? don't you like others having a different view point ? It's you thats on a wind up. No. I just don't get that when you've said you'll get as many ventilators as you why you wouldn't join such a scheme. Heck, even if it's to flog some of ours to them if it's not as bad over here or we have enough. It's just a case of cutting your nose to spite your face, which I think is shocking. Other viewpoints are wonderful, when they aren't from a jingoistic pov.
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